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Old 01-11-2018, 08:26 AM
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I think the debacle that was Charles and Diana's marriage has taught the BRF anything it is that the moment you cave and give them an interview it's the thin edge of the wedge. Nothing is cleared up, nothing is explained and the media constantly want more.
Agreed. Also, while Samantha is blabbing on and on.... Meghan and Harry are planning their wedding and doing official work. They not thinking about her like that. I am sure they are aware of everything being said and done but they not giving her any attention and that is good. She just not worth the time.

I do hope we see some of the Ragland side of the family at the wedding. Can't wait to see Doria in her hat and dress.
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Old 01-11-2018, 09:17 AM
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I do think over the long run, approval of a royal will be based on work ethic rather than unsubstantiated claims made by estranged relatives. There will always be those that choose to believe the worst, but those people are just looking for confirmation of a person being terrible in the first place, so coming forward to air her side of the dirty laundry isn't going to help. The more Samantha talks, the more contradiction there are in her stories. For people like her, just give them enough rope to hang themselves. They will never disappoint in that regard.
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Old 01-11-2018, 09:40 AM
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What is the point of discussing Tom Markle, Jr's personal issues along with his fiancee getting arreseted? What does that have to do with Meghan and her life growing up?
Again, this is Meghan’s family and background thread. If we can discuss her background, childhood and whatnot, we can discuss current issues to do with her too. The newspapers have unfortunately linked Meghan to Tom Jr’s fiancée, someone she hasn’t even met before nor knows anything about and has nothing to do with given she’s estranged from the half relations. There’s also the inconvenient fact that Tom Jr has often spoken to the press about Meghan, and now he blames her for his current predicament.

It is rather sad that Meghan is being linked to all and sundry and their misdeeds, but it is what it is. And as negative DM article links about Meghan by loosely connected estranged half relatives like Samantha, Tom Jr et al are allowed and discussed on here, it would be strange if posters are disallowed from linking other DM articles giving alternative perspectives provided by other relatives.

The same with Samantha.
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Old 01-11-2018, 09:45 AM
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I do think over the long run, approval of a royal will be based on work ethic rather than unsubstantiated claims made by estranged relatives. There will always be those that choose to believe the worst, but those people are just looking for confirmation of a person being terrible in the first place, so coming forward to air her side of the dirty laundry isn't going to help. The more Samantha talks, the more contradiction there are in her stories. For people like her, just give them enough rope to hang themselves. They will never disappoint in that regard.
True, but I think there will always be those who will half believe stuff from an estranged relative...and Meghan will have to contend with that "buzz" of unpleasant gossip from some of her family... other royals have had similar thngs, Kate's embarrassing uncle is something of a problem..
but he's not so pervasive as Meg's sister and half siblings seem to be.
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Old 01-11-2018, 10:07 AM
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People keep bringing up Kate’s uncle in this thread but Gary Goldsmith has never attacked the Middletons, in fact he’s only ever said good things about the family.

He may be rough around the edges and made some bad decisions but he loves Kate dearly.
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Old 01-11-2018, 10:11 AM
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Uncle Gary was awful and seemed to be always talking to the press. I believe Kate also had a cousin who was a stripper as well and that school friend who was no longer a friend but somehow the press kept paying her for content.

The tabloids always give fools an unfettered platform because they are stupid and embarrassing and allow reporters to be lazy and not do their jobs. These reporters know this is embarrassing and this is their way to shame Meghan. Why push back when Samantha is lying when truth does not matter. All that matters is cash and clicks.

The press likes to pick on the commoners, but Lady Diana was involved in a very public feud with her step-mother...I believe they called her Acid Raine and the Spencer siblings where against her selling Spencer artwork or something.

Meghan is in good company regarding dysfunctional relatives.
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Old 01-11-2018, 10:23 AM
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true the Spencer family have nto always been discreet but I would say K's uncle Gary is a wrose embarrassment... but I haven't heard much of him over the years. he is stupid and overly outspoken but he is not appearing on the Net every day with something embarrassing or some criticism of his neice.. which M's half sister is....
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Old 01-11-2018, 10:32 AM
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true the Spencer family have nto always been discreet but I would say K's uncle Gary is a wrose embarrassment... but I haven't heard much of him over the years. he is stupid and overly outspoken but he is not appearing on the Net every day with something embarrassing or some criticism of his neice.. which M's half sister is....
Well, at least Samantha isn't bragging about how much access she has to the Palace yet. I would say that would do far more damage than some disgruntled relative that hasn't had contact with Meghan in years.

And really, if we want to talk about embarrassment, I think while Meghan's half siblings are a pain with their blabbing, they aren't even close to some of the embarrassment members of the royal family has been caught in.
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Old 01-11-2018, 10:36 AM
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Well, at least Samantha isn't bragging about how much access she has to the Palace yet. I would say that would do far more damage than some disgruntled relative that hasn't had contact with Meghan in years.

And really, if we want to talk about embarrassment, I think while Meghan's half siblings are a pain with their blabbing, they aren't even close to some of the embarrassment members of the royal family has been caught in.
What ‘damage’ has that caused?

The Countess of Wessex was secretly recorded by the Fake Sheik saying basically the same thing. Sophie hasn’t been kicked out of the Firm.
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Old 01-11-2018, 10:42 AM
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What ‘damage’ has that caused?

The Countess of Wessex was secretly recorded by the Fake Sheik saying basically the same thing. Sophie hasn’t been kicked out of the Firm.
There is always sensitivity and criticism regarding royals being too closely tied to various people and organizations in order to benefit some unfairly over others. That's a bad undertone for any royal related. And claiming to have his own wing at the Palace, while not being a member of the royal family, and never will be, isn't a good look either. His comments is directly related to the monarchy whereas Meghan will never give her Markle half-siblings the chance even to do so.

And btw, I never said anything about being kicked out of the Firm. Simply stating that it's a much bigger problem than disgruntled comments from estranged half-siblings cashing in on their 15 minutes of fame.
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Old 01-11-2018, 10:42 AM
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Well, at least Samantha isn't bragging about how much access she has to the Palace yet. I would say that would do far more damage than some disgruntled relative that hasn't had contact with Meghan in years.

And really, if we want to talk about embarrassment, I think while Meghan's half siblings are a pain with their blabbing, they aren't even close to some of the embarrassment members of the royal family has been caught in.
The half siblings seem to have very limited access and content. Tom Sykes who writes for the Daily Beast says that editors are gleeful about using the siblings to embarass Meghan. Truthfully they seem to be those relatives you only see at Christmas and assorted birthdays and then LIFE happens. They are in their 50's and have had their own life, they should allow Meghan to do the same.
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Old 01-11-2018, 10:48 AM
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There is always sensitivity and criticism regarding royals being too closely tied to various people and organizations in order to benefit some unfairly over others. His comments is directly related to the monarchy whereas Meghan will never give her Markle half-siblings the chance even to do so.
Gary Goldsmith has zero access to the palace or Monarchy. Just because he said it doesn’t make it so.

There’s nothing stopping Samantha from making the same claim.

The Countess of Wessex was recorded saying all sorts of unflattering things about the royals and British politicians. Far worse than anything Gary has ever said.
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Old 01-11-2018, 10:50 AM
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The thing with Meghan's siblings is that it is public knowledge she hasn't spoken to them in years. They can talk until their heads fall off but that doesn't change the fact they know very little about who Meghan is now. All they have is the past which for some is almost a decade ago. In the grand scheme the BRF have dealt with bigger and more scandalous then this. It is embarrassing but nothing major.
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Old 01-11-2018, 10:56 AM
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Responding to the Markles keeps this one sided beef going. I'm surprised Sam is not feuding with her dad. Sam and Jr sold to the press that Tom Sr would be hurt by Harry's family she never had comment. Dad side on record Harry.is a gentleman and is happy for them. Sr just undercuts his older children.
The overall arc of Sam and Tom, Jr.'s many public comments seems to me to circle more around their father than Meghan. My theory, just based on what really seems to rile them up and get them blabbing, is that the two of them have always felt themselves to be in competition for Dad's attention or approval, and that's at the heart of their perception of the family as a whole. Their battling comments tend to boil down to, "I spoke to Dad which is how I know my brother sold Dad out..." "No, I'm the one who really knows Dad, which is why I know just how he felt about Prince Harry's comment..." "No, I'm the closest to Dad and I know better than anyone if he'll want to go down the aisle...." Ultimately, I can't help but think they've probably always just looked at their much younger half-sister as an interloper and a weapon to be used in their battle with each other.
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Old 01-11-2018, 10:58 AM
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Gary Goldsmith has zero access to the palace or Monarchy. Just because he said it doesn’t make it so.

There’s nothing stopping Samantha from making the same claim.

The Countess of Wessex was recorded saying all sorts of unflattering things about the royals and British politicians. Far worse than anything Gary has ever said.
That's just quite frankly untrue about Samantha being able to make the same claims. While over time, Gary's access is limited to Will and Kate, he was invited to wedding and have close ties with them. Samantha can make all the claim she wants, but given that she can't even get close to Meghan, it's an absolute zero chance.

Countess of Wessex saying unflattering things about members of the royal family has nothing to do with Gary bragging about access. Sophie, as a member of that family, at that point shared her opinion on some people and things. While that was unflattering, that's not anything more than family squabble at most.
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Old 01-11-2018, 11:08 AM
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That's just quite frankly untrue about Samantha being able to make the same claims. While over time, Gary's access is limited to Will and Kate, he was invited to wedding and have close ties with them. Samantha can make all the claim she wants, but given that she can't even get close to Meghan, it's an absolute zero chance.

Countess of Wessex saying unflattering things about members of the royal family has nothing to do with Gary bragging about access. Sophie, as a member of that family, at that point shared her opinion on some people and things. While that was unflattering, that's not anything more than family squabble at most.
Why wouldn’t Gary be invited to the wedding? Like I said he’s rough around the edges and has done stupid things but he loves Kate. Has never said a bad word.

Weddings are a celebration and a time for families to come together.

Anyone who takes Gary seriously saying he has a room in BP needs their head checked.

I can think of many people in Kate’s family who would come before Gary.
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Old 01-11-2018, 11:11 AM
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Why wouldn’t Gary be invited to the wedding? Like I said he’s rough around the edges and has done stupid things but he loves Kate. Has never said a bad word.

Weddings are a celebration and a time for families to come together.

Anyone who takes Gary seriously saying he has a room in BP needs their head checked.

I can think of many people in Kate’s family who would come before Gary.
I'm not sure what love has to do with it when it comes to embarrassing the royals. And really, if you really love someone, you'd put their need before your own bragging rights. Bottom line is, as much as people have shitted on Meghan for her family, they are far from contained in what they can do to cause embarrassment to the royal family because Meghan has not allowed them any access to her.
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Old 01-11-2018, 11:21 AM
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I'm not sure what love has to do with it when it comes to embarrassing the royals. And really, if you really love someone, you'd put their need before your own bragging rights. Bottom line is, as much as people have shitted on Meghan for her family, they are far from contained in what they can do to cause embarrassment to the royal family because Meghan has not allowed them any access to her.
I’m confused about how it embarrasses the royals? Gary himself may have been embarrassed after he said it by why would anyone in the royal family be upset by it?

The Countess of Wessex probably embarrassed some members of the Firm as she is actually a member and not someone’s uncle.

But regardless of what you think about Gary, he’s old news. It’s Meghan’s sister and brother who are all over the tabloids today.

That’s what this thread is about.
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Old 01-11-2018, 11:38 AM
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I’m confused about how it embarrasses the royals? Gary himself may have been embarrassed after he said it by why would anyone in the royal family be upset by it?

The Countess of Wessex probably embarrassed some members of the Firm as she is actually a member and not someone’s uncle.

But regardless of what you think about Gary, he’s old news. It’s Meghan’s sister and brother who are all over the tabloids today.

That’s what this thread is about.
The discussion on Gary have gone much deeper than it should have. I was simply pointing out distant family members Meghan doesn't have contact with can cause far less issues for her as she has no contact with them and they have no up to date information on her life. No need to jump on me about that.
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Old 01-11-2018, 11:49 AM
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David Jones writes in the DM of the night he spent with Thomas Markle

David Jones's night with Meghan Markle's boozy brother | Daily Mail Online
Did someone ask why Tom Jr and his issues were discussed on here??

Well, the above link is just one example for ya. It was brought over.

2nd examples?? Tom Jr is right there in action, courting the press, HIMSELF!

Discussing all things Meghan, no less
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