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Old 12-28-2017, 01:31 PM
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And presuming she knows nothing of Britain. You don't have to be British to know about British culture and history. You commonly study the history in school. She has also visited the UK over the years as well. Its not like she is marrying into some little known country some may never have heard of
Again, I don't see anybody suggesting that. It is true however that you can study a country all you like but living there is a very different kettle of fish, especially in the unique role Meghan will have to play nationally. I don't doubt that she'll do it very well indeed but it'll be a learning curve. The British people are fickle types and sometimes surprise people. For example, the Americans tend to be encouraging and celebrate their achievements openly, the British don't and tend to be more subdued. And just as someone figures that out, we change the rules and boast a little leaving the person totally perplexed. Thank goodness she'll never have to master a revolving door in the UK when we apologise to the person in front, the person behind, ourselves and the door.

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Her career wasn't as much about self-promotion as promoting the show she was on. And why is that a bad thing? Being a royal is very much the same thing. Royals are very much public figures/celebrities. Their role in life is to promote the royal family and the charities/country they represent. Understanding public image, and the affect it can have to bring attention to needed causes, are skills actually key to being successful as a royal.
This is where I absolutely agree with you. The Royals don't self promote. They have no need to. As you rightly say, what they do is promote a brand - that brand being the United Kingdom. There's only room for one star of the show and that's the Queen. Every member of the Royal Family promotes their own causes and builds unique relationships with charities and organisations that last a lifetime. But at all times, there's absolutely no time for individual successes or praise. Look at Meghan's future father-in-law. It's taken years for anyone to say "Well done" on his environmental work or even the Prince's Trust. And even then, he'd never have expected such praise. Meghan might find that approach hard to adjust to at first. Being a celebrity does require a little self-promotion outside of promoting a recent TV show or movie so I think she has had to push herself forward in the past. But I also don't get the impression this was a big deal to her. I think she seems to have enjoyed her work more than the limited fame that came with it. So as you say, her skills will be an asset.

But I think what Denville was saying (and what I agreed with) was that the Royal Family are never ever celebrities. They might appear globally in gossip columns next to and with celebrities but they are not celebrities. Precisely for the reason you mention: they're working for others, not themselves. That's the distinction. Being a minor celeb will help Meghan prepare for her new life I've no doubt but it ends now. She is no longer a celebrity. She's famous and always will be. But she will now be a member of the British Royal Family and that comes with a whole different rule book. Celebrities share alot of themselves, they covet fame and success, they seek rewards. Royalty doesn't. It's when people see elements of celebrity creep in (It's a Royal Knockout, Fergie on QVC) that they panic a little. The institution only works when it's at the top of the food chain. Anyone can become a celebrity, hardly anyone becomes royalty. If anyone could have what they have and do what they do? We'd be a republic and we wouldn't be chatting about the future Princess Henry of Wales at all.
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Old 12-28-2017, 02:14 PM
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It's best to just ignore Samantha. To attempt to buy her off will just give credence to her nastiness.

She can say whatever she wishes, but if it is known that Meghan has no contact with her, there will be a limit to any allegations she can make.

The more distance between them, the better for Meghan.
Indeed, the only true scandal I can think of is if they started paying Samantha to keep her mouth shut as that would suggest there is something to hide and she needs to be bribed to keep quiet (which I doubt would be effective but that's a different matter).
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Old 12-28-2017, 02:14 PM
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I imagine a publisher will expect to see something a) news worthy, b) exclusive and c) with enough evidence to avoid a legal challenge. With a decent team of lawyers and publishers she could pull it off but I doubt she has that. If someone else with an interest funds it? Thatís different but at this stage it would have be someone with a huge grudge and something big to gain. Doesnít rule it out but itís very unlikely.
It's far harder to get publishing deals than it used to be (although it's never been all that easy), but the main thing a publisher is going to be looking for in an "insider's view" of a royal is marketability. It can be old news or fake news as long as they can sell it. But Samantha Grant herself is a liability on that count. She changes her tune every time she opens her mouth. She's told her quite juicy proposed title to everyone who will listen, but then she's turned around and denied that it would be a tell-all. She's complained rather bitterly about Meghan, but then praised her to high heaven. Marketing in tandem with her would be a nightmare. She'll only get the deal if a publishing house happens to have an executive in the PR department who is excited by the challenge of trying to keep her on a single track while they promote the book.
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Old 12-28-2017, 02:32 PM
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Again, I don't see anybody suggesting that. It is true however that you can study a country all you like but living there is a very different kettle of fish, especially in the unique role Meghan will have to play nationally. I don't doubt that she'll do it very well indeed but it'll be a learning curve. The British people are fickle types and sometimes surprise people. For example, the Americans tend to be encouraging and celebrate their achievements openly, the British don't and tend to be more subdued. And just as someone figures that out, we change the rules and boast a little leaving the person totally perplexed. Thank goodness she'll never have to master a revolving door in the UK when we apologise to the person in front, the person behind, ourselves and the door.



This is where I absolutely agree with you. The Royals don't self promote. They have no need to. As you rightly say, what they do is promote a brand - that brand being the United Kingdom. There's only room for one star of the show and that's the Queen. Every member of the Royal Family promotes their own causes and builds unique relationships with charities and organisations that last a lifetime. But at all times, there's absolutely no time for individual successes or praise. Look at Meghan's future father-in-law. It's taken years for anyone to say "Well done" on his environmental work or even the Prince's Trust. And even then, he'd never have expected such praise. Meghan might find that approach hard to adjust to at first. Being a celebrity does require a little self-promotion outside of promoting a recent TV show or movie so I think she has had to push herself forward in the past. But I also don't get the impression this was a big deal to her. I think she seems to have enjoyed her work more than the limited fame that came with it. So as you say, her skills will be an asset.

But I think what Denville was saying (and what I agreed with) was that the Royal Family are never ever celebrities. They might appear globally in gossip columns next to and with celebrities but they are not celebrities. Precisely for the reason you mention: they're working for others, not themselves. That's the distinction. Being a minor celeb will help Meghan prepare for her new life I've no doubt but it ends now. She is no longer a celebrity. She's famous and always will be. But she will now be a member of the British Royal Family and that comes with a whole different rule book. Celebrities share alot of themselves, they covet fame and success, they seek rewards. Royalty doesn't. It's when people see elements of celebrity creep in (It's a Royal Knockout, Fergie on QVC) that they panic a little. The institution only works when it's at the top of the food chain. Anyone can become a celebrity, hardly anyone becomes royalty. If anyone could have what they have and do what they do? We'd be a republic and we wouldn't be chatting about the future Princess Henry of Wales at all.

Denville also suggested that Meghan knew Nothing about the UK. There is a difference between learning curve of moving to a new country, and being ignorant about the country.

Royals are celebrities. In that they are public figures, public figures who use their high profile status, to promote things. Celebrities don't just do self promotion. They promote charities (Meghan has numerous charities) as well as their work they do. They all work hard to promote themselves and their charity work. Its not going to help any charity work that they do
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The way the media have gone after Meghan's life leaves me to believe if they had anything viable they would have used it by now. I also have zero doubt the BRF have done their needed research against her as well. I doubt she has anything more scandalous than what they have had to deal with themselves.
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Old 12-28-2017, 05:43 PM
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Not sure it this goes here so please ignore if not appropriate .....I was flipping through channels on the TV at 3pm here and whoa, up pops Harry and the loud mouth sister and how she tells that Meghan has a huge family on the Inside Edition show........watched it and there is nothing new, yes Meghan has family as we all know yet just different as we all know. It did show her dad and the doll house with the 2 parents and 2 dolls that were one of each color which was really thoughtful of him I thought. Other then that nothing new from Sam who is out to make a huge buck on this. Wonder if Inside Edition paid her and how much? She is using this to make money no doubt about it and will continue to do so until the last buck stops coming.
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Old 12-28-2017, 05:44 PM
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At this very moment it makes me wonder just what Meghan has done for Samantha to be so jealous of her. Would that be about Harry?
Be born? She the second family and from what we know Meghan benefitted from the lottery win with expensive schooling. I'm sure she felt some kind of way that her little sister was given opportunities she wasn't despite the claim otherwise. She has gone off to have a successful career and now marrying a prince. I'm sure she been bitter all her life that her father doted on his new daughter.
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Old 12-28-2017, 06:00 PM
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Harry should have thought the comment through. I don't think he meant Doria but Samantha trying to cash in. Speaking of Sammy, the more serious American press and now running this story and she is not coming off too well. Newsweek tried to reach her for comments and she's hiding from them. Samantha doesn't want to face solid journalists in an interview because they will challenge and fact check everything she said; and worse, the serious press may unearth no so flattering things about her that have not been published.
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Harry should have thought the comment through. I don't think he meant Doria but bums like Samantha trying to cash in. Speaking of Sammy, the more serious American press and now running this story and she is not coming off too well. Newsweek tried to reach her for comments and she's hiding from them. Samantha doesn't want to face solid journalists in an interview because they will challenge and fact check everything she said; and worse, the serious press may unearth no so flattering things about her that have not been published.
Remember when the radio host hung up on her?

http://www.thesun.co.uk/news/5216498...-christmas/amp

Most of the media are running the story right now. So far just has them talking to her but mocking her as well. She been doing this for over a year. Same nonsense. No one takes her seriously.
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A Kensington Palace spokesperson has responded to the press regarding Ms. Grant's remarks.

Meghan Markle's sister responds to Harry's family comments - BBC News

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A Kensington Palace spokesperson said Prince Harry's "comments speak for themselves".
IMHO I'm a bit surprised that the KP spokesperson didn't reply with the standard "We do not comment upon private family matters."
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Old 12-28-2017, 06:57 PM
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A Kensington Palace spokesperson has responded to the press regarding Ms. Grant's remarks.

Meghan Markle's sister responds to Harry's family comments - BBC News



IMHO I'm a bit surprised that the KP spokesperson didn't reply with the standard "We do not comment upon private family matters."
I was surprised too. I think it was a mistake of KP to comment on this. All it is going to do is stoke the fire. What happened to "never complain, never explain."? Now it looks like they are subtly engaging in an argument with Samantha, and all she will do is milk it for all she can get out of it.
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Now, I think the opposite. I think it was a wise move for KP to issue an official statement saying "Harry's statement speaks for itself".

It shows that its not Meghan firing back at her half sister but it shows that everyone around Meghan that really and truly know her have issued a statement from the offices of Kensington Palace (Harry, William, Kate and soon to be Meghan) that they are in full support of Harry's fiancee and stand behind Harry's words. Kind of like an elephant speaking out against a little mouse that roared.

It also, to me, indicates that on Meghan's side of things, they're very aware of what Ms. Grant is doing and not to expect any kind of an invitation to the wedding as she is a persona non grata.
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Old 12-28-2017, 07:28 PM
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I feel sorry for Meghan that she has this sister in the wings. She will be the new Andrew Morton Paul Burrell and James Hewitt; pushing herself into every story related to the BRF despite their 15 mins being up.
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Old 12-28-2017, 07:30 PM
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I was surprised too. I think it was a mistake of KP to comment on this. All it is going to do is stoke the fire. What happened to "never complain, never explain."? Now it looks like they are subtly engaging in an argument with Samantha, and all she will do is milk it for all she can get out of it.
I don't think so--KP issued a very succinct, flat statement. They didn't engage or go into any discussion.
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Now, I think the opposite. I think it was a wise move for KP to issue an official statement saying "Harry's statement speaks for itself".

It shows that its not Meghan firing back at her half sister but it shows that everyone around Meghan that really and truly know her have issued a statement from the offices of Kensington Palace (Harry, William, Kate and soon to be Meghan) that they are in full support of Harry's fiancee and stand behind Harry's words. Kind of like an elephant speaking out against a little mouse that roared.

It also, to me, indicates that on Meghan's side of things, they're very aware of what Ms. Grant is doing and not to expect any kind of an invitation to the wedding as she is a persona non grata.
I agree. They know what's going on and said as much. There was no apology (nor should have been) and making it known that Samantha is actually proving a point in his worlds in a way. I'm glad they commented on it in a very direct way. Harry said it and stands by his own words. The end.
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I donít think KPís comment is explaining or complaining. They canít really say we donít comment on private matters because Harry commented on it. They arenít commenting on Samantha, they are saying Harryís comments speaks for themselves and left it at his comments.
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Y'know, after Samantha's dig at how Meghan already had a family in response to Harry's statement, the KP official release of the statement proves another point. Samantha is speaking out and writing against Meghan. The KP statement proves that the family that she's marrying into stands behind her and protects her in a "one for all and all for one" manner.

Think about it, what does real family do?
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Y'know, after Samantha's dig at how Meghan already had a family in response to Harry's statement, the KP official release of the statement proves another point. Samantha is speaking out and writing against Meghan. The KP statement proves that the family that she's marrying into stands behind her and protects her in a "one for all and all for one" manner.

Think about it, what does real family do?
That’s true. Honestly, seeing her interacting with Wales branch of the family and inviting her to Christmas showed that the BRF is being very welcoming to her.
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I don't think so--KP issued a very succinct, flat statement. They didn't engage or go into any discussion.


Agreed. All they did was was reiterate that Harry said what he said. They didnít defend, debate or argue anything and left nowhere for this to go.
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Y'know, after Samantha's dig at how Meghan already had a family in response to Harry's statement, the KP official release of the statement proves another point. Samantha is speaking out and writing against Meghan. The KP statement proves that the family that she's marrying into stands behind her and protects her in a "one for all and all for one" manner.

Think about it, what does real family do?
I did not think about it that way, but that does make sense.
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