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Old 05-17-2018, 11:40 AM
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Not even bothering to read it because in the span of two days he has flip flopped his opinion. I laughed at Dickie calling him out on twitter. His show and former paper is the cause for A LOT of the coverage. The Samantha and the Dooley's were on his show how many time? Piers can hush.

Anyways... Charles and Camila were spotted arriving and leaving KP with flowers. They were obviously going to meet Doria. Seems she likely also met with the Cambridges as well.
YES!!! When I saw his article I thought to myself, "Make your mind up, Piers." He tries to present himself as reputable but he is no better than TMZ.
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Old 05-17-2018, 11:48 AM
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What you say, Missy, has a lot of sense behind it. Its very possible that Mr. Markle knew this was needed to be done and kept procrastinating on it in the hopes that he could put it off long enough to get through the wedding and then have the procedure done. Most likely too, unless Tom Sr. was totally closed mouth about everything and anything, Samantha would have known the state of her father's health. Or did she?

Sadly, the escalation of drama with his older children most like exacerbated an already existing problem and brought it all to a head and crashing down to ensure that he was in no fit shape to attend the wedding. What really galls me the most though, I think, is that with all the concern that Samantha has put forth in defending her father and proclaiming to know how hassled and harassed her father was and the effect it was having on him, she sure didn't make a beeline to be with him when he most likely would have needed his family the most. Neither did Tom Jr. I'm beginning to think that actually Tom Sr. played right into their hands when it comes to publicly trashing Meghan's wedding and causing as much mayhem and chaos as they possibly could.
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Old 05-17-2018, 11:52 AM
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YES!!! When I saw his article I thought to myself, "Make your mind up, Piers." He tries to present himself as reputable but he is no better than TMZ.
I did (guiltily) enjoyed his verbal take-down of Sam 2-3 days ago, but aside from that, I agree. Cannot stand the man, personally.

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We don’t know father offered same help. The mother met Harry Dad hasn’t.The mother has security Father hasn’t Father May have said security not needed. The Father has been offered tons of money to give interviews and refused.

Harry should have made a point to fly down and at least explain to the man what was about to happen. And maybe he would have accepted it. And as for contact with other daughter she is his child too but he reportedly blames his heartache on sons letter.
The thing is, he first blamed Samantha for it. IMO, that tends to make sense in the light of certain comments here that conditions like his tend to lead to erratic, inconsistent behavior. I think the truth lies somewhere near the middle-----it was a combination of BOTH of them, maybe?
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Old 05-17-2018, 11:55 AM
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We don’t know father offered same help. The mother met Harry Dad hasn’t.The mother has security Father hasn’t Father May have said security not needed. The Father has been offered tons of money to give interviews and refused.

Harry should have made a point to fly down and at least explain to the man what was about to happen. And maybe he would have accepted it.
I was referring to the advice from Kensington Palace. The Palace warned the Markles and Doria about the press. Doria listened. Thomas Sr. did at first but slipped once he followed crazy Samantha's advice. And he's compounded that mistake by communicating with TMZ.

We realize now he needed more guidance than Doria. But I'm not sure it's fair for Piers Morgan & other reporters to blame the Palace for not knowing that.
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Old 05-17-2018, 12:05 PM
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What you say, Missy, has a lot of sense behind it. Its very possible that Mr. Markle knew this was needed to be done and kept procrastinating on it in the hopes that he could put it off long enough to get through the wedding and then have the procedure done. Most likely too, unless Tom Sr. was totally closed mouth about everything and anything, Samantha would have known the state of her father's health. Or did she?

Sadly, the escalation of drama with his older children most like exacerbated an already existing problem and brought it all to a head and crashing down to ensure that he was in no fit shape to attend the wedding. What really galls me the most though, I think, is that with all the concern that Samantha has put forth in defending her father and proclaiming to know how hassled and harassed her father was and the effect it was having on him, she sure didn't make a beeline to be with him when he most likely would have needed his family the most. Neither did Tom Jr. I'm beginning to think that actually Tom Sr. played right into their hands when it comes to publicly trashing Meghan's wedding and causing as much mayhem and chaos as they possibly could.
Jr should definitely be by his dad's side, that's where he belongs - not making an ass out of himself by popping up in Windsor. I have to give Samantha a pass on being at her father's bedside since she's wheelchair bound it isn't easy to fly and she's probably in phone contact. Doesn't mean I forgive her for getting her father and everyone else so wound up and doing her best to trash her half-sister's big day.

Sam's the malignancy in this family imo, her brother is a 'not too bright' dupe with lots of disgusting issues. I hope there's a chance for Meghan and her dad to patch things up, and that Sr works on being a healthier influence on his daughter's life mentally and physically. I know when I had my first grandchild it was a life changing event. I quit smoking, lost 50 lbs and left my high-stress job building telecommunications sites. Here's hoping her dad makes some positive changes and quits listening to the little devils whispering in his ears.
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Old 05-17-2018, 12:12 PM
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I was referring to the advice from Kensington Palace. The Palace warned the Markles and Doria about the press. Doria listened. Thomas Sr. did at first but slipped once he followed crazy Samantha's advice. And he's compounded that mistake by communicating with TMZ.

We realize now he needed more guidance than Doria. But I'm not sure it's fair for Piers Morgan & other reporters to blame the Palace for not knowing that.
The Palace did their proper advice. Doria showed class and sophistication and followed, the others were the exact opposite. No way was it Palace fault or responsibility. If anyone needed more guidance they only had to refer back to original suggestion and stay low, keep mouth shut, but sometimes money runs lives. I bet if all had behaved properly [like Doria and Kate's family did with all the awful media crap they put up with, especially Carole] they now not only been invited but would be enjoying a nice stay in UK. In the end they cut off their nose to spite their mean faces. Even Sam's own daughter can't stomach her. Really says a great deal.
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Old 05-17-2018, 12:13 PM
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What are the Dooleys doing now that they have no TV gig?
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Old 05-17-2018, 12:19 PM
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What you say, Missy, has a lot of sense behind it. Its very possible that Mr. Markle knew this was needed to be done and kept procrastinating on it in the hopes that he could put it off long enough to get through the wedding and then have the procedure done. Most likely too, unless Tom Sr. was totally closed mouth about everything and anything, Samantha would have known the state of her father's health. Or did she?

Sadly, the escalation of drama with his older children most like exacerbated an already existing problem and brought it all to a head and crashing down to ensure that he was in no fit shape to attend the wedding. What really galls me the most though, I think, is that with all the concern that Samantha has put forth in defending her father and proclaiming to know how hassled and harassed her father was and the effect it was having on him, she sure didn't make a beeline to be with him when he most likely would have needed his family the most. Neither did Tom Jr. I'm beginning to think that actually Tom Sr. played right into their hands when it comes to publicly trashing Meghan's wedding and causing as much mayhem and chaos as they possibly could.
One thing that "sort" of bothers me is the Dooleys. To me, their biggest "sin" is simply trying to profit off of the publicity and their connections to her. Yes, they have not talked to her in ages, but they never badmouthed her in public---on the contrary, they have all but disowned Junior an sided with her in this whole drama.

And they are pot farmers----so what? Legal business over here in certain areas of the country------but I guess the BRF and Meghan felt they were not Close relatives enough. Too bad. I would have invited them.

Certainly better than somebody over here suggesting that Tom Jr. be invited because of his second letter "apologizing." Oh, dear God.
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Old 05-17-2018, 12:27 PM
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I don't know if I have been vetted to show links yet, but I can tell you this-----


I just read that John Cena has offered to walk Meghan down the aisle if her father doesn't show up. He was co-hosting the Today show with Kathie Lee (I think yesterday) when she suggested he would be a perfect stand-in for Markle Sr. He actually said he would do it.

"Yeah, I could do it. I could hop on a plane and be there in a few days."
Very noble of the man, I must admit.

Don't know whether to laugh or consider that seriously or whatever.

Anyway----just wanted to throw that out there.

Who on Earth is John Cena?
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Old 05-17-2018, 12:29 PM
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Who on Earth is John Cena?
John Cena is a professional wrestler:

https://www.wwe.com/superstars/john-cena
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Old 05-17-2018, 12:31 PM
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Who on Earth is John Cena?
No one important in this story--he is an actor and "professional wrestler." Just something silly I imagine.
I don't know if Meghan has ever even met him.
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Old 05-17-2018, 12:36 PM
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One thing that "sort" of bothers me is the Dooleys. To me, their biggest "sin" is simply trying to profit off of the publicity and their connections to her. Yes, they have not talked to her in ages, but they never badmouthed her in public---on the contrary, they have all but disowned Junior an sided with her in this whole drama.

And they are pot farmers----so what? Legal business over here in certain areas of the country------but I guess the BRF and Meghan felt they were not Close relatives enough. Too bad. I would have invited them.

Certainly better than somebody over here suggesting that Tom Jr. be invited because of his second letter "apologizing." Oh, dear God.
I agree. They've said nothing but nice things about Meghan, didn't expect to receive any wedding invitations and are OK with that, and have wished her well. But they don't seem to realize how tacky their behavior is and how it might embarrass Meghan. Showing up in the UK as wedding commentators???
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Old 05-17-2018, 12:44 PM
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But they probably wouldn’t be wedding commentators if invited which is why they should have been invited would have also given Dad someone to talk too. Family is family.
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They're forming a musical band and will soon entertain us with remakes of "Mary Jane" and "One Toke Over the Line."
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Old 05-17-2018, 12:49 PM
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I agree. They've said nothing but nice things about Meghan, didn't expect to receive any wedding invitations and are OK with that, and have wished her well. But they don't seem to realize how tacky their behavior is and how it might embarrass Meghan. Showing up in the UK as wedding commentators???
The lure of money is very strong. Plus I guess they thought MM would not mind if they got to promote their business while earning that money. Naïve, but somewhat understandable.

Personally, if I was Meghan, I would say I was not embarrassed. I would say THEY are the ones embarrassing themselves, not me. YOU guys are the ones who made the decisions that led to this, not me. I would wish them well and "sorry you did not get the gig. And thank you for your support."

LOL.
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Old 05-17-2018, 01:04 PM
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The thing is, he first blamed Samantha for it. IMO, that tends to make sense in the light of certain comments here that conditions like his tend to lead to erratic, inconsistent behavior. I think the truth lies somewhere near the middle-----it was a combination of BOTH of them, maybe?
With stress, usually it's not just one event. I don't think one of these things by itself would've been enough. It probably has been building for awhile, and quite frankly, we've all been tiptoeing wonder what they would come up with to sabotage Meghan's happiness every time something good comes out. I can only imagine that from Tom Sr.'s perspective. As much as I wish he wouldn't talk to TMZ, he did tell them that Meghan and Samantha hasn't had a relationship.

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The lure of money is very strong. Plus I guess they thought MM would not mind if they got to promote their business while earning that money. Naïve, but somewhat understandable.

Personally, if I was Meghan, I would say I was not embarrassed. I would say THEY are the ones embarrassing themselves, not me. YOU guys are the ones who made the decisions that led to this, not me. I would wish them well and "sorry you did not get the gig. And thank you for your support."

LOL.
I don't think the Dooleys thought for one minute that Meghan wouldn't mind. They saw an opportunity, and they took it. I don't think Meghan's thoughts or what she would think is in their mind much. They are trying to move themselves up in their lives. And there might be some blood relations, but I don't think Meghan is anything other than a stranger to them.
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Old 05-17-2018, 01:14 PM
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With stress, usually it's not just one event. I don't think one of these things by itself would've been enough. It probably has been building for awhile, and quite frankly, we've all been tiptoeing wonder what they would come up with to sabotage Meghan's happiness every time something good comes out. I can only imagine that from Tom Sr.'s perspective. As much as I wish he wouldn't talk to TMZ, he did tell them that Meghan and Samantha hasn't had a relationship.
What all did he exactly tell TMZ?
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Old 05-17-2018, 01:16 PM
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What all did he exactly tell TMZ?
Among other things that's already been discussed. He did confirm that Samantha doesn't have a relationship with Meghan and they are not close. He's quite upset with Samantha as well as Jr.
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Old 05-17-2018, 01:24 PM
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One can always hope Doria sets Senior straight in regards to his health....no more Mickey D's and KFC every day, Thomas........and Meghan should get in on it. Maybe get in to Yoga finally after all these years.

Hi, BTW!!!!!
One hopes Doria is more inclined to get a legal letter sent off warning him in no uncertain terms not to ever again come to her home pulling his pap/scam stunts at her expense.
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Old 05-17-2018, 01:29 PM
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One hopes Doria is more inclined to get a legal letter sent off warning him in no uncertain terms not to ever again come to her home pulling his pap/scam stunts at her expense.
That would easily be done by getting a restraining order. Doria has no obligation whatsoever to do anything about Tom Sr. They're divorced and have been divorced for 30 years and have no obligation to each other whatsoever outside of being joint parents to Meghan.
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