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Old 05-13-2018, 11:35 AM
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I think this has blown way out of proportion. He posed for a few pictures for the paparazzi. He wasn't doing anything scandalous. Stupid and ill advised, and no doubt hurt Meghan, as she seemed to be totally clueless. But he only posed for pictures.

There's no reason to ban him from.the wedding, he can very easily walk Meghan down the aisle, proudly, as she seems like a wonderful daughter.

Hopefully he learned his lesson, and knows now, that making deals with the paparazzi never ends well.
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Old 05-13-2018, 11:39 AM
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I think this has blown way out of proportion. He posed for a few pictures for the paparazzi. He wasn't doing anything scandalous. Stupid and ill advised, and no doubt hurt Meghan, as she seemed to be totally clueless. But he only posed for pictures.

There's no reason to ban him from.the wedding, he can very easily walk Meghan down the aisle, proudly, as she seems like a wonderful daughter.

Hopefully he learned his lesson, and knows now, that making deals with the paparazzi never ends well.
Agreed. Ultimately, he didn’t intend to hurt his daughter and I can understand his frustration with the media on him so much as he did avoid the media when the relationship emerged until his brother sold him out and has refused to share any information even with members of his family. Now, that doesn’t mean I don’t think he deserves a tongue lashing from Meghan and Doria in the meantime for being stupid.
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Old 05-13-2018, 12:23 PM
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I can understand people feeling sorry for him but I would also say this - what if this was the Middleton family caught posing for press photos for profit? Would people be as 'understanding' and kind to them? Just because her father doesn't have a lot of money does this make it the right thing to do?

IMO some things just aren't worth all the money in the world, and appearing to sell out your own child for profit is one of them. Yes he may not have understood the ramifications and his relationship with Meghan does not seem that good as to expect him to know, for example, that KP put out a statement calling for his privacy to be respected but still, no matter how new to the royal or media game you are surely most people would see it can appear at least to be selling out your own child to make money

Also, it means people, and the media, will now question everything he does in the future - was it done for profit? was it done for the press rather than Meghan and on and on. It also means people will think he is happy to sell stories and gossip about his own daughter to the press. In some ways I wouldn't be at all surprised if Meghan stops having anything to do with her family other than her mother in the future.
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Old 05-13-2018, 12:33 PM
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I can understand people feeling sorry for him but I would also say this - what if this was the Middleton family caught posing for press photos for profit? Would people be as 'understanding' and kind to them? Just because her father doesn't have a lot of money does this make it the right thing to do?

IMO some things just aren't worth all the money in the world, and appearing to sell out your own child for profit is one of them. Yes he may not have understood the ramifications and his relationship with Meghan does not seem that good as to expect him to know, for example, that KP put out a statement calling for his privacy to be respected but still, no matter how new to the royal or media game you are surely most people would see it can appear at least to be selling out your own child to make money

Also, it means people, and the media, will now question everything he does in the future - was it done for profit? was it done for the press rather than Meghan and on and on. It also means people will think he is happy to sell stories and gossip about his own daughter to the press. In some ways I wouldn't be at all surprised if Meghan stops having anything to do with her family other than her mother in the future.
Your assumption is based on if he did it for profit, which DM has pointed out in their article that they don’t know if he accepted money. Only that the paparazzi would’ve obviously made money when he sold the photos. The possibility of him posing in exchange to be left alone was raised in what was published. I think we all agree this was a bad decision, but to assume he is selling his daughter for money is quite a stretch. The photographs had nothing to do with Meghan or Harry. And if he wanted to sell his daughter out for money, he could’ve honestly done a lot more for a lot of money a long time ago.

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The 'going rate' is 30 pieces of silver...
You know very well the other poster is talking in the literal sense. People are just trying to separate facts from posters’ assumption. And analogies are only effective when used accurately. Did I miss him saying or showing something about Harry and Meghan?
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Old 05-13-2018, 12:39 PM
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People have to be pretty naive to think this wasn’t done for money. That’s the only reason to do it.

Mr Markle knows you’re dealing with the devil when you cozy up to the paparazzi. It wouldn’t matter how many photos he gave them, they won’t leave him alone and he knows that.
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Old 05-13-2018, 12:52 PM
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If there was any proof that he had done it for money, the DM would have printed that. They had to write, that they have no knowledge if he was paid.
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Old 05-13-2018, 12:55 PM
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People have to be pretty naive to think this wasn’t done for money. That’s the only reason to do it.

Mr Markle knows you’re dealing with the devil when you cozy up to the paparazzi. It wouldn’t matter how many photos he gave them, they won’t leave him alone and he knows that.
Actually, even DM had to point out to the contrary, and they are never shy about accusing people of nefarious things.
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Old 05-13-2018, 12:58 PM
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If there was any proof that he had done it for money, the DM would have printed that. They had to write, that they have no knowledge if he was paid.
I don’t need ‘proof’. I’m going with the most obvious explanation. I think most people will make the same conclusion. The pics are so fake it’s not even funny.

He knew the pics were going to appear in tabloids around the world. He knew the British press would figure out he posed for them. He knew it would make front pages just days before the wedding and he knew it would cause embarrassment.

Trying to make excuses just makes the whole thing more seedy imo.
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Old 05-13-2018, 01:06 PM
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I don’t need ‘proof’. I’m going with the most obvious explanation. I think most people will make the same conclusion. The pics are so fake it’s not even funny.

He knew the pics were going to appear in tabloids around the world. He knew the British press would figure out he posed for them. He knew it would make front pages just days before the wedding and he knew it would cause embarrassment.

Trying to make excuses just makes the whole thing more seedy imo.
Are you now seriously moving on to saying he purposely planned to embarrass his daughter publicly days before her wedding?
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Old 05-13-2018, 01:08 PM
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I believe money exchanged hands but I don't think it was anywhere near what the DM is hinting at even without saying it to protect themselves. But I also don't think there was some massive plot by Tom Snr to embarrass his daughter the week before her wedding. I think that is a grand old stretch.

He took some harmless pictures of himself. If his goal was to hurt Meghan I have a feeling he could do much bigger than a picture of him looking at pictures of a book of Great Britain. I think he is a bit naive but to accuse him of malice is over the top.
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Old 05-13-2018, 01:09 PM
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Are you now seriously move to he purposely planned to embarrass his daughter publicly says before her wedding?
He made a deal with paparazzi for pics. He knew the pics were going to be published. The pics are so fake he knew it would be discovered he posed for them. And once that happened he had to have known the embarrassment it would cause.
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Old 05-13-2018, 01:10 PM
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I don’t need ‘proof’. I’m going with the most obvious explanation. I think most people will make the same conclusion. The pics are so fake it’s not even funny.

He knew the pics were going to appear in tabloids around the world. He knew the British press would figure out he posed for them. He knew it would make front pages just days before the wedding and he knew it would cause embarrassment.

Trying to make excuses just makes the whole thing more seedy imo.
What I'm curious about is how this plays out with the royal family. Betcha if it even comes up, all of the family will join in about their own brush ups with the paps. Sophie can go first. If Sarah is there, she can go next. Andrew can chime in too.

Should be hysterically funny.

In the end, on a scale of 1 to 10, this probably makes a 3 or a 4. It's nothing compared to the sting with Sophie or Sarah being named in the Panama Papers.

But I would love to be a fly on the wall when Doria gets a hold of him. That's gonna be one epic read.
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Old 05-13-2018, 01:10 PM
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I don’t need ‘proof’. I’m going with the most obvious explanation. I think most people will make the same conclusion. The pics are so fake it’s not even funny.

He knew the pics were going to appear in tabloids around the world. He knew the British press would figure out he posed for them. He knew it would make front pages just days before the wedding and he knew it would cause embarrassment.

Trying to make excuses just makes the whole thing more seedy imo.
The other obvious reason is to try and get the paps off his back.

People make stupid mistakes all the time. The BRF is no angel on that regard. They have no right to criticize anyone else. Tom Markle has been great exept for these photo’s. Unless there is actual proof of him being paid, and it seems there is no proof, I prefer to give him the benefit of the doubt.
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Old 05-13-2018, 01:17 PM
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But by all accounts the posed photos were all taken the same day back in March so it is not as if he agreed to them and posed just before leaving for London.
And again, members of the Royal Family pose for photos for magazine articles--William, Kate and Eugenie all spring to mind. Where is the line?
In those cases the palace isn't issueing statements that they should be left alone. This time dad was cooperating with paparazzi (a big NO for Harry) and then the press is blamed for not leaving dad alone by the palace. So, it wasn't just very poor judgment on his side, the palace looks like fools now as well as they defended someone who was complicit to what they admonished.
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Old 05-13-2018, 01:19 PM
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People make stupid mistakes all the time. The BRF is no angel on that regard. They have no right to criticize anyone else. Tom Markle has been great exept for these photo’s. Unless there is actual proof of him being paid, and it seems there is no proof, I prefer to give him the benefit of the doubt.
Very true.

And can I say - you have the coolest username and avatar? Took me back to LOTR:ROTK and my love of the Elven language.

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In those cases the palace isn't issueing statements that they should be left alone. This time dad was cooperating with paparazzi (a big NO for Harry) and then the press is blamed for not leaving dad alone by the palace. So, it wasn't just very poor judgment on his side, the palace looks like fools now as well as they defended someone who was complicit to what they admonished.
Even though the press has still been intrusive and KP's warning to the press to leave him alone is still valid, I think you still have a point.

The warning to the press for intrusion into his life is still valid because the press has intruded in a horrible way. The 7-11 trip, etc.. and other things.

That he colluded with one particular photographer doesn't suddenly validate the press intrusion he was suffering under.
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Old 05-13-2018, 01:23 PM
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He posed for paparazzi. On the scale of embarrassment, it's up there on level 2, for me. 10 being highest. Just because the tabloids shout from the highest rooftops what a 'scam' this was, it doesn't make it a huge deal. To the RF it's not a big deal.

It most likely IS a big deal for Meghan as she and Harry have with KP been telling the paps to back off of him. But Meghan (&Doria and Harry) are the only ones Senior owes apologies or any explanations. That's it.

I do hope, that it took one conversation, apologies and a few HUGS to sort it out for now, and Meghan, Harry, Doria and Sr are able to enjoy this week before the wedding, well 6 days to be exact.
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Let's keep this discussion about Meghan's family and not your fellow members, please.
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Am I a bad person to want a new movie after the wedding is over chronicling ALLLLLL of the crazy drama leading up to the wedding?

Man - this is like the climax in a romantic suspense story, lol.
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Old 05-13-2018, 01:34 PM
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He made a deal with paparazzi for pics. He knew the pics were going to be published. The pics are so fake he knew it would be discovered he posed for them. And once that happened he had to have known the embarrassment it would cause.
I don’t know if he even thought about being discovered when he did it or he simply thought the paparazzi would leave him alone as he promised after those photos. That still doesn’t explain how you tied it all together with he knew it’d make front pages a few days before the wedding. Did I miss the reports of him being psychic or something?
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