Meghan Markle: Coat of Arms Discussion - Page 8

Osipi · #**141** 05-19-2018, 02:42 AM

I don't think any of us here really ever expected Tom Sr. to be graced with a Coat of Arms.

In fact, I would begin to think that the Queen was a tad bit off her rocker had she granted him one.

O-H Anglophile · #**142** 05-19-2018, 04:47 AM

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Originally Posted by Madame Verseau

According to DM, the queen decided Tom Sr will not get a family coat of arms

EDEN CONFIDENTIAL: Royal snub for Meghan Markle's father | Daily Mail Online

Karma

Tom Markle was never going to get a Coat of Arms. The Daily Mail is not a reliable source and they prefer to twist stories for the most negativity.

Missy- · #**143** 05-19-2018, 10:27 AM

Has Meghan's CoA been announced?

Osipi · #**144** 05-19-2018, 10:37 AM

It will probably not be seen until Harry and Meghan's conjoined coat of arms is released. If I'm not mistaken, it was quite a while after W&K's wedding when their conjoined coat of arms went public.

Missy- · #**145** 05-19-2018, 10:44 AM

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Originally Posted by Osipi

It will probably not be seen until Harry and Meghan's conjoined coat of arms is released. If I'm not mistaken, it was quite a while after W&K's wedding when their conjoined coat of arms went public.

Thank you, Osipi!

Countessmeout · #**146** 05-19-2018, 10:54 AM

If that is true, hopefully not as long as it took for the Cambridge marital coat of arms to be revealed.

Kate Middleton and Prince William's new 'Conjungal Coat of Arms' revealed | Daily Mail Online

Theirs wasn't revealed until September 2013, more then 2 years after they wed.

Hopefully we see Meghan's before 2 years from now.

wbenson · #**147** 05-20-2018, 04:37 AM

And I think it wasn't until November 2012 that an official image of Catherine's individual arms as William's wife was released. There wasn't as much mystery since almost all of it was already known (the arms of her father and husband were already known), but one of the supporters was a surprise.

alvinking · #**148** 05-20-2018, 05:17 AM

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Originally Posted by wbenson

And I think it wasn't until November 2012 that an official image of Catherine's individual arms as William's wife was released. There wasn't as much mystery since almost all of it was already known (the arms of her father and husband were already known), but one of the supporters was a surprise.

Her individual arm as the daughter of Michael Middelton was known since it was on the back of the official wedding programme
http://www.toledoblade.com/image/201...ng-Program.JPG

Curryong · #**149** 05-20-2018, 05:22 AM

Hopefully Meghan will get a new Coat of Arms of her own and it will be unveiled in the next few weeks.

cmsteepy · #**150** 05-20-2018, 10:55 AM

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Originally Posted by Missy-

Has Meghan's CoA been announced?

I am not sure what the delay is in the announcement of the Duchess of Sussex's new coat of arms. The Middleton Arms (granted to Michael Middleton for the benefit of the Duchess of Cambridge) were announced in advance of the wedding in April 2011. See this link.

https://www.royal.uk/new-coat-arms-m...and-her-family

And the Cambridge conjoined arms were announced in September 2013, view this link.

https://www.royal.uk/new-conjugal-co...hess-cambridge

I am hopeful that the College of Arms is currently working on a design for the Duchess. Perhaps it will be another gift from HM QEII in the coming days or weeks?

Osipi · #**151** 05-20-2018, 11:00 AM

Perhaps its a wise step to not present The Duchess of Sussex's coat of arms until after she actually is The Duchess of Sussex.

This way, with it not being granted to "Meghan Markle", it quashes any possibility that other "Markles" could lay claim to using it.

Curbside · #**152** 05-20-2018, 11:02 AM

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Originally Posted by Osipi

Perhaps its a wise step to not present The Duchess of Sussex's coat of arms until after she actually is The Duchess of Sussex.

This way, with it not being granted to "Meghan Markle", it quashes any possibility that other "Markles" could lay claim to using it.

Good point.

cmsteepy · #**153** 05-20-2018, 11:06 AM

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Originally Posted by Osipi

Perhaps its a wise step to not present The Duchess of Sussex's coat of arms until after she actually is The Duchess of Sussex.

This way, with it not being granted to "Meghan Markle", it quashes any possibility that other "Markles" could lay claim to using it.

I like that thought. It's possible that the pre-wedding drama of the Markel family caused some last minute changes to the thinking of the Arms grant, just as it did to the wedding ceremony, and will be announced soon???

Madame Verseau · #**154** 05-20-2018, 03:56 PM

@Osipi - good point for delaying the C of A. KP could announce the C of A is a wedding gift and leave it at that. Or use the Duchess of Gloucester precedent. The media will bring up how fathers of royal brides are conferred Coats of Arms, bring up all the Markle messes and draw the conclusion their behavior is the reason why they will not get a family C of A.

Osipi · #**155** 05-20-2018, 04:00 PM

The media would be totally wrong in stating that all fathers of royal brides are given a coat of arms. The fathers of royal brides that actually have/had coat of arms was solely because they qualified for one, applied for it and it was granted.

Being a royal bride has nothing to do with it.

Gawin · #**156** 05-20-2018, 04:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Osipi

The media would be totally wrong in stating that all fathers of royal brides are given a coat of arms. The fathers of royal brides that actually have/had coat of arms was solely because they qualified for one, applied for it and it was granted.

Being a royal bride has nothing to do with it.

And in the past the father was either royal or aristocratic himself and already had a coat of arms!

Ish · #**157** 05-20-2018, 05:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Osipi

The media would be totally wrong in stating that all fathers of royal brides are given a coat of arms. The fathers of royal brides that actually have/had coat of arms was solely because they qualified for one, applied for it and it was granted.

Being a royal bride has nothing to do with it.

This!

Tom Markle Sr does not qualify for a coat of arms. He's not a British citizen, nor a citizen of a Commonwealth country that the Queen is not head of state of and has a national heraldic authority. Therefore, no arms for him. See here for the UK College of Arms' statement on the Granting of Arms. As a US citizen, Sr is at best able to receive an honourary coat of arms, but that's not exactly the same.

Personally, I'm just hoping that marriage is enough to grant Meghan her own arms (or arms conjoined with her husband's), and that we don't have to wait until she is a UK citizen herself to get them.

Fijiro · #**158** 05-20-2018, 07:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Osipi

Perhaps its a wise step to not present The Duchess of Sussex's coat of arms until after she actually is The Duchess of Sussex.

This way, with it not being granted to "Meghan Markle", it quashes any possibility that other "Markles" could lay claim to using it.

When does Meghan become the Duchess of Sussex; I thought that happened on her wedding day?

Gawin · #**159** 05-20-2018, 07:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Fijiro

When does Meghan become the Duchess of Sussex; I thought that happened on her wedding day?

Yes, the Queen created Harry Duke of Sussex the morning of the wedding so Meghan became the Duchess the moment she became his wife.

alvinking · #**160** 05-23-2018, 11:04 AM

And what about her royal Cypher (Monogram). How will it look like? Will she go with R for Rachel or M for Meghan with the coronet?