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Old 05-11-2018, 11:09 PM
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I think the simple explanation of why there is no Markle family coat of arms is the simple reason that Thomas Markle, Sr. didn't apply for one.

Kate's family coat of arms was revealed before the wedding as it was her father that received the family coat of arms and along with that, Kate, as a daughter, was entitled to use it. It was then incorporated into William and Kate's conjoined coat of arms.

Meghan, however, does not have a family coat of arms that was for her sole use as a single woman. Her coat of arms will first appear as part of the conjoined coat of arms for both Harry and Meghan.
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Old 05-12-2018, 01:02 AM
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I read in the Wikipedia article you can get a C of A upon marriage. It could be revealed the same time the title is revealed - on the day of the wedding. I wouldn't be surprised if a family C of A is not awarded because certain Markles love to wild out in front of the media.
Nail/head. I fear you are right

Unlike the Duchess of Gloucester’s dad, Markle Sr’s ancestry can and has been traced back and his ancestors were subjects of the Crown. Meaning he is eligible to have a CoA. Now, whether or not he falls short of meeting the full criteria due to conduct of behaviour from the Markles remains to be seen.
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Old 05-12-2018, 01:11 AM
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Does anyone know if the Duchess of Gloucester's arms show what her father's arms were? Wikipedia is a bit unclear on that one.


I'm thinking what's happened with Meghan is that her father isn't eligible to get his own arms (not being a British citizen - according to the College of Arms' website, only honourary arms can be granted to Americans), nor technically is Meghan (again, American citizen), but post-wedding might be a different attitude. She'll get her own arms, instead of her father getting one that she uses.


The Duchess of Gloucester, as a non-British citizen to marry into the BRF without her own coat of arms already, is a logical precedent for Meghan.
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Old 05-12-2018, 01:19 AM
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This is the coat of arms of the duchess. Her coat of arms is in the center because it is not a family coat it is just hers alone. I just researched this. Ha

https://aroyalheraldry.weebly.com/uk...e1526102194568

I guess you will have to scroll through the others to get to hers. Sorry

Edit: you can compare her's to the Duchess of Kent to see the difference.
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Old 05-12-2018, 01:33 AM
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That's an interesting bit of information. If it only comes after the wedding it might indeed mean that she won't get her own one. Or will she be only eligible for one after marriage if not through her father? What would that mean for the joined one?
Not sure. They spoke of it and they both (Emily Nash and Emily Andrews) were under the impression that it would just be issued to Meghan and then there would be a joint one (?). I assume? Whatever the case, the fact it coming after the wedding, as instructed, gave them that idea.
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Old 05-12-2018, 02:04 AM
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Not sure. They spoke of it and they both (Emily Nash and Emily Andrews) were under the impression that it would just be issued to Meghan and then there would be a joint one (?). I assume? Whatever the case, the fact it coming after the wedding, as instructed, gave them that idea.
I believe W&K’s joined one wasn’t released until a long while after their wedding. Does this mean we would get to see it earlier given the special circumstances?
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The instrument of consent has been released.

https://twitter.com/emynash/status/995415821684895745

"The Instrument of Consent, signed by the Queen to approve #harryandmeghan's union. Handwritten and illuminated on vellum, it shows a red dragon, rose, thistle and shamrock for the UK, plus a rose for the US and golden poppies for California"

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Dc_wCvNX4AAONsL.jpg:large
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Old 05-12-2018, 05:43 PM
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Very pretty! Amazing how they do this.


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Beautiful. So now I have a feeling that the U.S. olive branches and the California poppies will be a part of Meghan's Coat of Arms.
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Old 05-12-2018, 05:50 PM
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This is the coat of arms of the duchess. Her coat of arms is in the center because it is not a family coat it is just hers alone. I just researched this. Ha

https://aroyalheraldry.weebly.com/uk...e1526102194568

I guess you will have to scroll through the others to get to hers. Sorry

Edit: you can compare her's to the Duchess of Kent to see the difference.
Thanks! That makes sense, so most likely not two halves with Harry's to the left and hers to the right but Harry's in the background and an escutchon representing her own background (still curious what that part will look like).
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Old 05-12-2018, 05:52 PM
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Beautiful. So now I have a feeling that the U.S. olive branches and the California poppies will be a part of Meghan's Coat of Arms.
Very likely indeed! And probably the US roses that are mentioned/included.
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Old 05-12-2018, 05:54 PM
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I also like the Commonwealth Flag on the side. Another emphasis on how much that will be their new role.
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Old 05-12-2018, 06:07 PM
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I'm so happy to see this. I think it's beautiful. And agree, I believe California poppies will also be on Meghan's Coat of Arms. Love the US rose and Commonwealth flag as well.
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Old 05-12-2018, 06:45 PM
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I read in the Wikipedia article you can get a C of A upon marriage. It could be revealed the same time the title is revealed - on the day of the wedding. I wouldn't be surprised if a family C of A is not awarded because certain Markles love to wild out in front of the media.
Meghan can be given her own COA that she moves forward with;it does not need to represent her "wild" family.

Although, the BRF and many other families with COA have lots of "wild" behavior in their history. I've always thought scope of influence a far larger determinate in the awarding of COA, tartans and other trappings of nobility. JMO.
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Old 05-12-2018, 07:34 PM
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Is the application for coat of arms for an American only if descent is from the paternal line? My English ancestry is on my mother's side. Her direct ancester was a puritan who arrived in 1630. There even is an ancient one that could be redone like Sophie's family did. My father's paternal line goes back to Moravia.

I am guessing that Mr. Markle's direct line goes to Denmark.
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Is the application for coat of arms for an American only if descent is from the paternal line. My English ancestry is on my mother's side. Her direct ancester was a puritan who arrived in 1630. There even is an ancient one that could be redone like Sophie's family did. My father's paternal line goes back to Moravia.

I am guessing that Mr. Markle's direct line goes to Denmark.
I wouldn't think so. I believe as long as the individuals can prove "descent" no matter paternal or maternal.
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The Instrument of Consent is so artist and beautiful!
I love the inclusion of poppies and olive leaves.
Are they always delivered in a briefcase?
I'd love to see an exhibition of all the Instuments of Consent ever issued.
Does anyone know if there is a register of public display somewhere?

It's my guess that any Coat of Arms for Meghan will feature roses, poppies and possibly a camera and an olive branch.
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I'm so happy to see this. I think it's beautiful. And agree, I believe California poppies will also be on Meghan's Coat of Arms. Love the US rose and Commonwealth flag as well.
Too bad there's no grizzly, though!
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Old 05-12-2018, 09:46 PM
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I love the design on the Instrument of Consent. The rose, the poppies and the olive branches represent her American heritage. This may be part of her crest. I noticed the upside down coronet around the flowers. Does it represent she will be the wife of a British prince? The scallops in the coronet shows the tie to the Spencers by marriage.

For the conjugal CoA the supporter for Meghan could be a grizzly bear for California or the bald eagle for the US.
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I'm still hoping peony also makes an appearance on her crest as it symbolizes romance, prosperity, good fortune, and a happy marriage among other things. And they are her favorite flowers and will be featured in the wedding.
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