Meghan Markle: Coat of Arms Discussion - Page 5

ACO · #81 04-15-2018, 02:10 AM

I have little doubt it will just go to Meghan and then it combine with Harry's to make theirs. That makes the most sense. We shall see. I suspect that is the next announcement.

Spheno · #82 04-15-2018, 03:02 AM

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Originally Posted by Osipi

I agree that most likely Tom, Sr. would think paying all that money to apply for a British coat of arms would be silly. He has no want or need for one or most likely he would have done so for himself by now.

The importance of Meghan having her own is that its incorporated into her and Harry's conjugal coat of arms which is what their children would use (denoting son or daughter) until they came of age and perhaps got one of their own. We have to remember that most likely once Charles becomes King, H&M's children will be princes and princesses of the UK (unless otherwise requested).

Children inherit only their father's coat of arms. Mother's coat is only for her use.

Osipi · #83 04-15-2018, 03:13 AM

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Originally Posted by Spheno

Children inherit only their father's coat of arms. Mother's coat is only for her use.

The children would use Harry and Meghan's conjugal coat of arms. If we really look, both Harry and William's coat of arms have the Spencer heraldry in them. Harry was granted his own coat of arms in 2002 at his 18th birthday.

The coat of arms is passed down through the male line but can also include the heraldry of the mother's side of the family. So with this in mind, Meghan's heraldry from her coat of arms will be incorporated into her and Harry's children's.

https://us.hellomagazine.com/royalty...1/harry-crest/

http://abcnews.go.com/International/...d=83215&page=1

Maybe I'm a bit mixed up about this but hey.... I'm willing to learn.

Spheno · #84 04-15-2018, 03:17 AM

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Originally Posted by Osipi

The children would use Harry and Meghan's conjugal coat of arms. If we really look, both Harry and William's coat of arms have the Spencer heraldry in them. Harry was granted his own coat of arms in 2002 at his 18th birthday.

The coat of arms is passed down through the male line but also include the heraldry of the mother's side of the family. So with this in mind, Meghan's heraldry from her coat of arms will be incorporated into her and Harry's children's.

https://us.hellomagazine.com/royalty...1/harry-crest/

first, Harry has his own coat of arm and will have it without any Meghan's elements on it
second, Harry's children may have or may not have one element from their mother's coat of arm
third, Meghan's coat of arm will be use only by Meghan, not Harry or their children

Osipi · #85 04-15-2018, 03:29 AM

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Originally Posted by Spheno

first, Harry has his own coat of arm and will have it without any Meghan's elements on it
second, Harry's children may have or may not have one element from their mother's coat of arm
third, Meghan's coat of arm will be use only by Meghan, not Harry or their children

OK. Gotcha on that and thanks for the clarification. The more I read, the more I realize where you were coming from and it all makes more sense to me now.

I really seriously doubt that any coat of arms that Meghan receives will be applicable for use by any other member of the "family" and that's how it should be. Samantha may be bleating and braying that she's as much of a 15th cousin to Harry as Meghan is through their father but then again someone should inform Samantha that the number of 15th cousins that Harry has today probably run into the thousands if not more.

Humbugged · #86 04-25-2018, 04:16 AM

I watched the CBS special which featured her Kappa sisters .Maybe there might be elements of their coat of arms included in hers

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Madame Verseau · #87 04-25-2018, 07:22 AM

I think Meghan will solely get a coat of arms. The Markles have disgraced themselves so publicly there may be a loophole in the rules that the College of Arms says no. Since the college's authority is delegated by the queen, could she intervene and say no?

Osipi · #88 04-25-2018, 08:01 AM

Actually, I think for Tom Sr. to receive a coat of ams, he actually has to apply for one. Somehow, I seriously doubt that is something that he would want to do. Its not rocket science that Tom Sr. would know that applying and receiving a coat of arms stands a good chance of being abused by members of his family that would be most likely to abuse it.

I do think we'll see a specific coat of arms created just for Meghan, herself, so that she does have one to combine with Harry's after marriage. It will be interesting to see what it looks like.

Tatiana Maria · #89 04-25-2018, 08:34 AM

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Originally Posted by Spheno

first, Harry has his own coat of arm and will have it without any Meghan's elements on it
second, Harry's children may have or may not have one element from their mother's coat of arm
third, Meghan's coat of arm will be use only by Meghan, not Harry or their children

In general, that is true, however, the UK laws of arms allow men and women alike the options of combining their coat of arms with their spouses' arms or bearing their own arms alone.

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The text of a ruling by the Kings of Arms dated 29 March 2014

We, Garter, Clarenceux and Norroy & Ulster King of Arms, do rule, ordain and decree as follows:

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(3) A married man will continue to have the option of bearing his own arms alone. A ruling of the Kings of Arms made on 6 November 1997 allows a married woman to bear her own arms alone differenced by a small escutcheon. That will continue to be the case but the addition of the mark of difference will forthwith be optional.

Same-sex marriages - College of Arms

Madame Verseau · #90 05-04-2018, 03:23 PM

With the meet and greet of the families, do you think Meghan's coat of arms will be revealed? I don't think the Markles will get a C of A because I think Tom Sr is going to turn it down. Only Meghan will get one.

Sam is trying to bigfoot into the Windsor homeless situation?

Humbugged · #91 05-04-2018, 04:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Madame Verseau

With the meet and greet of the families, do you think Meghan's coat of arms will be revealed? I don't think the Markles will get a C of A because I think Tom Sr is going to turn it down. Only Meghan will get one.

Sam is trying to bigfoot into the Windsor homeless situation?

One of the Royal reporters said that at the briefing they were told that next weeks info dump will include the stuff about the coa

Madame Verseau · #92 05-04-2018, 04:23 PM

If it's made official that Meghan gets a C of A and the Markles don't Sam will wig out.

As for the uncles that complained about no invites, including the diplomat, I don't feel sorry for they made it public and try to get their brother Tom Sr to demand answers from the queen. They were so certain that Sr would tell them if he got an invitation and Sr told them he didn't know about their invites. I believe Sr knew all along what was the state of play for the wedding and just didn't share.

Tarlita · #93 05-04-2018, 06:12 PM

Maybe the Queen can Charm Mr Markle into accepting a Coat of Arms. I think he will enjoy and soak up the whole week of activities. The Queen is adept at making people feel comfortable. That is important to her.

Madame Verseau · #94 05-04-2018, 07:03 PM

I thought about this on the coat of arms: the Markle family C of A is afforded to every Markle right? Sr's grandsons the Dooley's, the owners of a weed farm, could make the C of A as part of their business logo. Their business may be legal in Oregon, but the embarrassment factor is just too high (no pun intended) and the media would feast on it for days. It would cheapen the honor.

Osipi · #95 05-04-2018, 07:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Madame Verseau

I thought about this on the coat of arms: the Markle family C of A is afforded to every Markle right? Sr's grandsons the Dooley's, the owners of a weed farm, could make the C of A as part of their business logo. Their business may be legal in Oregon, but the embarrassment factor is just too high (no pun intended) and the media would feast on it for days. It would cheapen the honor.

A bona fide, issued by the College of Arms coat of arms is essentially a British thing. There is absolutely no reason whatsoever for all and sundry on the American side of Meghan's family to have and use and display a coat of arms.

To be honest, if any of the Markles really wanted one, there are plenty of places around that do heraldry independently. I found a coat of arms and family surname history for my brother and it is framed above his fireplace today.

I just don't see any reason why Thomas Sr. would even think of applying to the College of Arms at all. Its just not something I would associate with him or his lifestyle. Now, his other children is a different ball of wax and as you pointed out Madame Verseau, the misuse of it would be to stroke their own egos.

Madame Verseau · #96 05-11-2018, 06:13 PM

No word on the coat of arms. Are they waiting for Sr to show up to make the formal presentation?

wyevale · #97 05-11-2018, 06:17 PM

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waiting for Sr to show up to make the formal presentation?

Why would they ? He won't be getting one...

ACO · #98 05-11-2018, 06:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Madame Verseau

No word on the coat of arms. Are they waiting for Sr to show up to make the formal presentation?

We will learn of it after the wedding. Apparently this was discussed in the meeting last week. Emily Nash said on the On Heir podcast that they were informed the Coat of Arms info will come soon after they are wed. It made them suspect it just will be a joint one for them and not involving her father at all.

**Somebody** · #99 05-11-2018, 07:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Tarlita

Maybe the Queen can Charm Mr Markle into accepting a Coat of Arms. I think he will enjoy and soak up the whole week of activities. The Queen is adept at making people feel comfortable. That is important to her.

Why would she want to do that? Just for his children and grandchildren to misuse a royal-related CoA when they themselves were purposefully not invited to the wedding?

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Originally Posted by ACO

We will learn of it after the wedding. Apparently this was discussed in the meeting last week. Emily Nash said on the On Heir podcast that they were informed the Coat of Arms info will come soon after they are wed. It made them suspect it just will be a joint one for them and not involving her father at all.

That's an interesting bit of information. If it only comes after the wedding it might indeed mean that she won't get her own one. Or will she be only eligible for one after marriage if not through her father? What would that mean for the joined one?

Madame Verseau · #**100** 05-11-2018, 10:51 PM

I read in the Wikipedia article you can get a C of A upon marriage. It could be revealed the same time the title is revealed - on the day of the wedding. I wouldn't be surprised if a family C of A is not awarded because certain Markles love to wild out in front of the media.