Meghan Markle: Coat of Arms Discussion

[jacqui24]

Originally Posted by Countessmeout

If it was granted to Meghan, yes it would end with her.

But if they go the traditional root, and grant it to her father, no. It can pass down the male line. And Tom has a son, so there is a chance for it to continue passing down.

Yea, for that reason alone, I think it's best to just grant one to Meghan use Harry's and add elements on the other half that reflects her heritage.

[Somebody]

Originally Posted by jacqui24

Not that I'm advocating for either to be included. I couldn't careless to be honest. But wouldn't this be Meghan's coat of arms and their children would use Harry's or modify based on that?

Yes but as soon as she marries Harry's CoA will be the other half of her CoA's (or if she doesn't get one, she might just adopt Harry's - probably with an escutcheon that was made specifically for her).

Regarding the Coat of Arms of any children they might have they would indeed be Harry's (with 5 labels as grandchildren of a monarch - assuming that by the time they reach majority of age their grandfather is (or has been) king) but I expect them to include a reference to Meghan's CoA in the labels just like Beatrice's and Eugenie's CoA's - and like William and Harry's labels have a reference to the Spencer CoA!

[An Ard Ri]

I not sure how reliable this link is but it says the Markle Coat of arms is a gold feather set between two gold fleur-de-lis on a blue background and is of German origin?

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2017/...9233872255.jpg

[Countessmeout]

Originally Posted by An Ard Ri

I not sure how reliable this link is but it says the Markle Coat of arms its a gold feather set between two gold fleur-de-lis on a blue background and is of German origin?

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2017/...9233872255.jpg

Supposedly the coat does belong to a distant relative that her father is descended from. Markle has a German root to it. If Tom comes from an unbroken male line from that family, then technically it would be his coat of arms.

A bit more here about her German ancestors

Prince Harry′s and Meghan Markle′s German roots | Lifestyle | DW | 29.11.2017

[HereditaryPrincess]

This is an interesting discussion and something that I hadn't thought about yet amidst all the excitement over the wedding itself. I do like the idea that a previous poster suggested of incorporating California into Meghan's new coat of arms; I like the idea of the Californian poppy. I think there'll most likely be a nod to America in her coat of arms.

[Somebody]

I like the Markle Coat of Arms - even if her father (and Meghan) isn't a direct male-line descendant they might decide to incorporate elements of it in Meghan's Coat of Arms. If it ends up being his (and therefore hers), I assume they'll just use this one.

[Panther2000]

Originally Posted by Gaudete

If the grant is made to Meghan's father, her siblings can use it too. Which is what makes me think (as well as him being a US citizen), this won't happen and the grant will be made directly to his daughter.

If the Grant is to be made, I think that it should be made to Meghan alone.

[Madame Verseau]

The Daily Mail is now talking about a coat of arms for Tom Sr, but the question is does he want one? Also the Fail reported that Meghan's coat of arms is being worked on as of now. The CoA will be on the wedding program along with Harry's. Meghan gets one because of her marriage, Tom Sr has to prove he had an ancestor who was a subject of the Crown.

[Curryong]

I think the Fail has forgotten about the Danish-born Duchess of Gloucester whose father wasn't granted a coat of arms on his daughter's marriage. Instead the Duchess was granted one of her own.

[Countessmeout]

I don't think they are forgetting Birgitta at all. Really they are saying Meghan will be treated the same way. Instead of Tom being given a coat, and Meghan using her father's, Meghan herself will be given one. This is how Birgitta was treated. The difference being that only the DOG and Meghan can use theirs. If their father had been granted it, his family could use the coat of arms like Michael Middleton's kids.

Unlike Birgitta's father, we do know Tom has some British roots. So if he has any interest in a coat, it wouldn't be an issue to give him a coat of arms. He may not wish it, not wanting to pass it on to the likes of his son.


Will Meghan Markle's father get a royal coat of arms?* | Daily Mail Online

[Curryong]

I think the uses Meghan's half-siblings might put it to if they get their paws on any Markle Coat of Arms might be of concern to the College of Arms too. I can't see Tom Snr misusing it (if he can be bothered applying for one) but there might be a question mark over other members of the family.

[Osipi]

With Tom, Sr's choice of lifestyle of the not so rich and famous and more along the line of a simple life, I don't see him really putting much stock into having a British coat of arms. Meghan, herself, probably has just cause to believe that should the Markle "family" be granted a coat of arms, she would right off the bat realize how her half siblings could misuse it and try to profit off of it as this has been their modus operandi since the tabloids discovered their penchant for having big mouths and dollar signs for eyeballs.

I'm going to go with Meghan just granted one on her own like Birgitta and have it intertwined with Harry's and that will be the coat of arms passed to their children and leave the "Markle Monsters" completely out of it. Wisest choice in my book.

[wyevale]

I'm thinking [for the Bride], a loose, white, belted COA ...

[Osipi]

Cute... real cute. What style would the "arms" be?

[wyevale]

^ Unstructured..^

[Osipi]

Yes! There we have it. A purely bespoke, made to order Coat of Arms for Meghan! I love it!

[Tatiana Maria]

Originally Posted by Countessmeout

Will Meghan Markle's father get a royal coat of arms?* | Daily Mail Online

John Petrie, Herald in Waiting at the College of Arms, which will be responsible for Meghan’s crest, tells me she ‘automatically’ qualified for the honour.

How did Meghan "automatically qualify"? The College of Arms website says

FAQs: heraldry - College of Arms

Q. I am American, can I have a coat of arms?

A. US Citizens who can show a descent from a subject of the British Crown, including from subjects of the Crown overseas in Canada, Australia, New Zealand and elsewhere during the period of British rule, such as India, South Africa and Ireland, can seek a grant of Honorary Arms from the Kings of Arms here. American institutions can petition for a devisal of arms, which is very similar in all but a technical sense.

Granting of Arms - College of Arms

Honorary arms may be granted to U.S. citizens and to citizens of countries within the Commonwealth where Queen Elizabeth II is not Head of State and where there is no national heraldic authority. They must meet the same criteria of eligibility for a grant as subjects of the Crown, and in addition they must record in the official registers of the College of Arms a pedigree showing their descent from a subject of the British Crown. This may be a recent forebear such as a parent or grandparent who lived in the same country under the British Crown; an emigrant from Britain, Ireland or anywhere else where the British monarch was Head of State; or a more distant ancestor such as inhabitant of the north American colonies before the recognition of American independence in 1783.

[Osipi]

Thanks for the research, Tatiana Maria. I don't see any problem with Meghan being "automatically" qualified as since her involvement with Harry, there have been plenty of people out there that delved into her past and have found the "connections" for her. There have been several articles already published with the work done and researched.

https://www.harpersbazaar.com/celebr...s-royal-blood/

What is nice about this is that Meghan is qualified to get her own COA without having to get her relatives involved.

[cmsteepy]

Well, here we go. Here is one of the first articles written about this subject in the American Press.


https://www.msn.com/en-us/entertainm...ing/ar-BBKLWDs

[burbankstorylady]

Coat of arms have become do blasé, like whatever, with anyone being able to get one. It’s as easy as signing up for a social media account, and therefore, begs the question: what’s the point? It’s nothing special, nothing worked for or even difficult to acquire. What’s easy to obtain, is it really worth anything?