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Old 04-21-2019, 01:03 PM
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To Meghan: Even when you finally get the British Citizenship, do not give up your birth right American Citizen. Just became a dual American/British citizen.
She should also arrange US citizenship for her child
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Old 04-21-2019, 01:12 PM
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She should also arrange US citizenship for her child
I would have thought that was automatic..
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Old 04-21-2019, 01:41 PM
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She should also arrange US citizenship for her child
US Citizen for their child is automatic. The child will be a dual citizen at birth.
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Old 04-21-2019, 02:22 PM
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US Citizen for their child is automatic. The child will be a dual citizen at birth.
There is a difference between the Right to Claim, and Claiming US citizenship

The child will have to right to claim US citizenship. This entails an administrative process at the US embassy that needs to be initiated by his mother

At Birth the child will be UK citizen
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Old 04-21-2019, 02:32 PM
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There is a difference between the Right to Claim, and Claiming US citizenship

The child will have to right to claim US citizenship. This entails an administrative process at the US embassy that needs to be initiated by his mother

At Birth the child will be UK citizen
I daresay Meghan will be abel to do what is necessary....
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Old 04-21-2019, 02:51 PM
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There is a difference between the Right to Claim, and Claiming US citizenship

The child will have to right to claim US citizenship. This entails an administrative process at the US embassy that needs to be initiated by his mother

At Birth the child will be UK citizen
If the child ever travels to the US it will need an American passport. It is my understanding that it is illegal for a potential American citizen to enter the US on a non-American passport.
At least that is what an American lawyer told me.
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Old 04-21-2019, 03:05 PM
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If the child ever travels to the US it will need an American passport. It is my understanding that it is illegal for a potential American citizen to enter the US on a non-American passport.
At least that is what an American lawyer told me.
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Wrong again, it is a person who IS dual citizen who cannot enter the US under his or her other nationality. As long as one has not acted on one's right to claim US citizenship, he can enter the US as a UK citizen
If i am not mistaken they have up until the child is 18 to decide whether or not to act on his right to claim US citizenship and actually claim it
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Old 04-21-2019, 03:10 PM
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There is a difference between the Right to Claim, and Claiming US citizenship

The child will have to right to claim US citizenship. This entails an administrative process at the US embassy that needs to be initiated by his mother

At Birth the child will be UK citizen
Meghan is still a U.S. citizen. The child will be born a dual citizen. The paperwork is needed to claim citizenship for a U.S. passport and SSN. And even if nothing is done, at 18 the child could claim their U.S. citizenship.
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Old 04-21-2019, 03:11 PM
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If the child ever travels to the US it will need an American passport. It is my understanding that it is illegal for a potential American citizen to enter the US on a non-American passport.
At least that is what an American lawyer told me.
Depends on the circumstances. The child of Meghan and Harry will automatically be a U.S. citizen at birth, and thus are eligible to get a passport from the U.S. Embassy in London (it may-be a diplomatic passport/not sure on that one).

However, for an adopted child (potential U.S. citizen) or others in similar situations, they can come in on legal documents into the U.S. and within a few weeks/months, are then able to receive a passport.

Again, it's all circumstantial. I will say the U.S. is very flexible in this regard depending on the situation that most other countries.
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Old 04-21-2019, 03:13 PM
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Wrong again, it is a person who IS dual citizen who cannot enter the US under his or her other nationality. As long as one has not acted on one's right to claim US citizenship, he can enter the US as a UK citizen
If i am not mistaken they have up until the child is 18 to decide whether or not to act on his right to claim US citizenship and actually claim it
They can claim it after they turn 18. It takes a lot of leg work, but if at 30 you find yourself in a situation that requires you to claim U.S. citizenship based on parental right, you can do so.
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Old 04-22-2019, 03:02 AM
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To Meghan: Even when you finally get the British Citizenship, do not give up your birth right American Citizen. Just became a dual American/British citizen.
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I think in the long term a dual UK - US citizenship would be inappropriate for a member of the BRF. If she is to represent the UK in even a supporting role, she should, IMO, be willing to commit to UK citizenship only. I would assume she would have agreed to this prior to the announcement of an engagement.

Apart from the issue of commitment and optics, the BRF would certainly not want any of their finances being looked at by the US Tax authorities; completely unnecessary, IMO.
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Old 04-22-2019, 03:37 AM
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She is going to file what she needs to file to meet her obligations vis a vis the US tax authorities, period end of story. What do you think the IRS is going to do? Send an audit team to go through the finances of an institution that embodies the head of State in a Sovereign Nation?
Ain't gonna happen
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Old 04-22-2019, 04:42 AM
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She is going to file what she needs to file to meet her obligations vis a vis the US tax authorities, period end of story. What do you think the IRS is going to do? Send an audit team to go through the finances of an institution that embodies the head of State in a Sovereign Nation?
Ain't gonna happen
No, but the sooner she stops being a US citizen, the sooner the obligations end.

More importantly, she sooner she stops being a citizen of a country other than the UK, the more convincing she can be to represent the Uk, albeit in a supporting role.
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Old 04-22-2019, 05:37 AM
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No, but the sooner she stops being a US citizen, the sooner the obligations end.

More importantly, she sooner she stops being a citizen of a country other than the UK, the more convincing she can be to represent the Uk, albeit in a supporting role.
Even as an American she has done nothing but represent the Queen and the UK with grace and success. The fact that people in the British media think they OWN her and some in the BRF want her as far away as possible; tells me that she should not give up her American citizenship.
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Old 04-22-2019, 05:54 AM
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US Citizen for their child is automatic. The child will be a dual citizen at birth.
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There is a difference between the Right to Claim, and Claiming US citizenship

The child will have to right to claim US citizenship. This entails an administrative process at the US embassy that needs to be initiated by his mother

At Birth the child will be UK citizen
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If the child ever travels to the US it will need an American passport. It is my understanding that it is illegal for a potential American citizen to enter the US on a non-American passport.
At least that is what an American lawyer told me.
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Wrong again, it is a person who IS dual citizen who cannot enter the US under his or her other nationality. As long as one has not acted on one's right to claim US citizenship, he can enter the US as a UK citizen
If i am not mistaken they have up until the child is 18 to decide whether or not to act on his right to claim US citizenship and actually claim it
That was a different poster than the one to whom you first responded. Neither post was wrong.


Quoting from the United States Department of State website:


Acquisition of U.S. Citizenship by a Child Born Abroad
Birth Abroad in Wedlock to a U.S. Citizen and an Alien

A person born abroad in wedlock to a U.S. citizen and an alien acquires U.S. citizenship at birth if the U.S. citizen parent has been physically present in the United States or one of its outlying possessions prior to the person’s birth for the period required by the statute in effect when the person was born (INA 301(g), formerly INA 301(a)(7).) For birth on or after November 14, 1986, the U.S. citizen parent must have been physically present in the United States or one of its outlying possessions for five years prior to the person’s birth, at least two of which were after the age of fourteen. [...]

Frequently Asked Questions
I have dual citizenship. Which passport should I use to travel to the United States?

All U.S. citizens, even dual citizens/nationals, must enter and depart the United States using his/her U.S. passport.
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Old 04-22-2019, 05:57 AM
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Even as an American she has done nothing but represent the Queen and the UK with grace and success. The fact that people in the British media think they OWN her and some in the BRF want her as far away as possible; tells me that she should not give up her American citizenship.
who wants her as far as way as possible?
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Old 04-22-2019, 06:13 AM
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That was a different poster than the one to whom you first responded. Neither post was wrong. From the United States Department of State:


Acquisition of U.S. Citizenship by a Child Born Abroad
Birth Abroad in Wedlock to a U.S. Citizen and an Alien

A person born abroad in wedlock to a U.S. citizen and an alien acquires U.S. citizenship at birth if the U.S. citizen parent has been physically present in the United States or one of its outlying possessions prior to the person’s birth for the period required by the statute in effect when the person was born (INA 301(g), formerly INA 301(a)(7).) For birth on or after November 14, 1986, the U.S. citizen parent must have been physically present in the United States or one of its outlying possessions for five years prior to the person’s birth, at least two of which were after the age of fourteen. [...]

Frequently Asked Questions
I have dual citizenship. Which passport should I use to travel to the United States?

All U.S. citizens, even dual citizens/nationals, must enter and depart the United States using his/her U.S. passport.
Ok, this is getting tiresome. Everything above pertains to the Right to Claim. I know what I am talking about. I am French, my spouse is a US citizen and I was in the exact situation for my son, and i went through the whole process. Do you think that the mere fact that a US citizen has a child overseas with a foreign national will cause the US government to fly over with passport and Certificate of Nationality?

Further, when you quote me, have the decency to quote me completely, instead of partially to fit your narrative

My compete post said
Wrong again, it is a person who IS dual citizen who cannot enter the US under his or her other nationality. As long as one has not acted on one's right to claim US citizenship, he can enter the US as a UK citizen
If i am not mistaken they have up until the child is 18 to decide whether or not to act on his right to claim US citizenship and actually claim it
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Old 04-22-2019, 06:36 AM
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The information in my last post was quoted from the website of the United States Department of State and was not my own narrative. However, I have edited my post to include the complete content of your posts and those to which you responded.

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Ok, this is getting tiresome. Everything above pertains to the Right to Claim. I know what I am talking about. I am French, my spouse is a US citizen and I was in the exact situation for my son, and i went through the whole process. Do you think that the mere fact that a US citizen has a child overseas with a foreign national will cause the US government to fly over with passport and Certificate of Nationality?
I see. The posters to whom you responded were addressing the child's legal citizenships, rather than the the process of obtaining a passport or certificate as evidence of their US citizenship.
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Old 04-22-2019, 06:54 AM
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For birth on or after November 14, 1986, the U.S. citizen parent must have been physically present in the United States or one of its outlying possessions for five years prior to the person’s birth, at least two of which were after the age of fourteen. [...][/indent]
I have a question about this aspect of this situation.

Meghan has been out of the US for the past 18 months at least other than for the few days she was in New York. She also lived for the previous seven or so years prior to that in Canada for work.

Does she even qualify under this condition to pass on US citizenship? or is there something I am missing in all of this?
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Old 04-22-2019, 06:54 AM
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I think in the long term a dual UK - US citizenship would be inappropriate for a member of the BRF. If she is to represent the UK in even a supporting role, she should, IMO, be willing to commit to UK citizenship only. I would assume she would have agreed to this prior to the announcement of an engagement.

Apart from the issue of commitment and optics, the BRF would certainly not want any of their finances being looked at by the US Tax authorities; completely unnecessary, IMO.
If the BRF or the British government don’t see this as a problem for an extended period of time. And 5 years is extenddd period of time. I don’t see why Meghan should. Unless she finds the process of providing the information to tax professionals too cumbersome, I don’t see a necessity as it wasn’t deemed necessary by those she works to represent. If people feel like it’s inappropriate to be represented by someone with dual nationality, that’s too bad. Clearly, HM and the government think it’s appropriate to be represented by a foreign national.

Especially considering the BRF and government thought it’s ok for her child, who is actually in line to the throne, to be a dual citizen for at least 18 years of his or her life. I’d say that ship sailed long ago.
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