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Old 01-27-2018, 01:24 PM
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I really like Madeline and Chris's. It looks like it wasn't really cake but a artful display of macarons. Cake is always so disappointing/overrated as a food, but macarons are consistently delicious little delights!
I agree with your sentiment about cake not being the most interesting of deserts. But for prettiness/handsomeness I like the Monaco cake better. It's amazing. The macaroon 'cake' (display) suffers from a bad picture (I think).
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Old 01-27-2018, 01:28 PM
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I know it isn't up to Meghan and Harry to repair the damage.

I'm just saying that, since things are strained at the moment, it would be a politic gesture. He won't go, so why not?
In any case, it sure wouldn't hurt!
So should they invite every single head of state of any of their allied countries? I mean you wouldn't want to insult all their trading partners by inviting one and not the rest right? What would it say that they invited Trump and not the heads of the commonwealth countries? Getting an invitation to a wedding is not going to smooth anything with Trump.

And royals are not to be involved in politics, at all. Charles gets criticized for it. So why would you suggest Harry and Meghan get involved with it now???

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A reason politics have entered into it is Harry's very visible and recent involvement with the Obama's, that's partly what has sparked all the carrying on about invitations.

Frankly I don't know what difference it makes. It's a private wedding, the guest list is going to be based on their personal wishes not state requirements.
Obama is not a sitting president. He is a private citizen. It is no longer a political situation. Now if they invite Justin Trudeau and his wife, it may cause some political comments. Because there will be people who don't understand that Sophie and Meghan are friends, and its personal invite.
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Old 01-27-2018, 01:35 PM
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Obama is not a sitting president. He is a private citizen. It is no longer a political situation. Now if they invite Justin Trudeau and his wife, it may cause some political comments. Because there will be people who don't understand that Sophie and Meghan are friends, and its personal invite.
Presidents (even former ones) are always political figures. Just the nature of the beast.


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Old 01-27-2018, 01:49 PM
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I'm sorry but since it would be a political gesture is exactly why he should not be invited to a private royal non-state family wedding. The royal family are not to be used to make political guestures. Added to that, Harry has a relationship with the Obamas, so if he may not be able to invite them, why invite Trump? Meghan is on public record as being anti-Trump.
I disagree in part. When the British government told the Queen to hold a state dinner for Nicolae Ceaușescu or Robert Mugabe, it was using the Queen to make a political gesture. In fact, state visits or official visits to the UK in which the Queen and other members of the Royal Family take part are almost always political and reflect the political goals of the British government and of the Foreign Office.

Having said that, I agree that Harry and Meghan's wedding is not a state occasion and the guest list should be a private matter. Still, if Trump attended as a guest, even if it were not an official visit, it would provide an opportunity for him to meet the Queen personally for the first time at the post-wedding reception, which would be a political gesture by the British government. I just don't think it is necessary since Trump will probably have his full state visit to the UK in the second half of the year unless something unexpected happens.
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Old 01-27-2018, 01:51 PM
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Just to be a bit petty on my part as well....but why should Trump be invited when he has not even congratulated the couple on their engagement?!! An American girl is getting married to a senior Prince in the most famous royal family in the world....and the tweeter in chief of the country where the girl was born has been silent!
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Old 01-27-2018, 02:43 PM
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It's not like Trump is going to show up with a toaster or something. He won't go! But he will remember.

My point is, nobody is offended by receiving an invitation; it's when they don't get one that there's a grudge.

If it's awkward because of the Head of State status, then invite Melania (Harry has met her) and that will do the trick.
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Old 01-27-2018, 02:56 PM
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I've deleted some comments about Brexit and trade deals between various countries. It's fine to discuss whether Obama or Trump will get invited/attend the wedding, but let's leave politics out of it. Thanks.
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Old 01-27-2018, 04:08 PM
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All the more reason not to invite Trump . By sending an invitation as a gesture it would be assumed Trump would turn it down given the current climate in the UK, but he would be flattered. If he sees the invitation as making up for not having a full state visit and accepts, the BRF and the government would be stuck and have to hope there wouldn't be wide outrage.
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Old 01-27-2018, 05:45 PM
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All the more reason not to invite Trump . By sending an invitation as a gesture it would be assumed Trump would turn it down given the current climate in the UK, but he would be flattered. If he sees the invitation as making up for not having a full state visit and accepts, the BRF and the government would be stuck and have to hope there wouldn't be wide outrage.
I am not so sure Trump would decline an invitation to wedding. On the contrary, I think he would attend if invited.
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Old 01-27-2018, 05:59 PM
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It's not like Trump is going to show up with a toaster or something. He won't go! But he will remember.

My point is, nobody is offended by receiving an invitation; it's when they don't get one that there's a grudge.

If it's awkward because of the Head of State status, then invite Melania (Harry has met her) and that will do the trick.
So you pander to one trade partner??? How about the other ones? Do only Americans matter? Or should Harry just invite every single head of state of a British trading partner so he doesn't offend any of them. And hope they don't all bring him the same toaster?

That's all it is, pandering, butt kissing. British bending over backwards and kissing the back end of an over inflated president. This is not a state occasion, this is a private wedding.

I guess the heads of Germany, France, Switzerland, Netherlands, China, Belgium, Ireland, as well as you probably better include the commonwealth countries not to anger them, should pander for invitations too.
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Old 01-27-2018, 06:06 PM
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You call it pandering, I call it politic.

This is a special case, because Harry is marrying an American.
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Old 01-27-2018, 06:14 PM
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Considering what Trump said about Princess Diana, it would be cruel to ask Harry to invite Trump. Plus like William's wedding, Harry's won't be a full state occassion. If William didn't have then President Obama at his wedding, why would the soon to be 6th in line have to invite Trump?

There is no need for Trump to be invited or to attend. Let Harry and Meghan invite who they want. Leave the politics to the state visits.
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Old 01-27-2018, 06:16 PM
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So you pander to one trade partner??? How about the other ones? Do only Americans matter? Or should Harry just invite every single head of state of a British trading partner so he doesn't offend any of them. And hope they don't all bring him the same toaster?

That's all it is, pandering, butt kissing. British bending over backwards and kissing the back end of an over inflated president. This is not a state occasion, this is a private wedding.

I guess the heads of Germany, France, Switzerland, Netherlands, China, Belgium, Ireland, as well as you probably better include the commonwealth countries not to anger them, should pander for invitations too.
The Governor Generals and PMs of several Commonwealth realms were invited to William's wedding, weren't they ? I recall that the PMs of Australia and NZ were in attendance. The Canadian PM couldn't go, but GG David Johnston attended the wedding. Will they be invited also to Harry's wedding ? I think they should be, even if it is not a state occasion.
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Old 01-27-2018, 06:20 PM
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But the country should not fear reprisals if Trump doesn't get an invitation. That's why the Foreign Office is putting pressure on Harry not to invite Obama so not to offend Trump, according to reports. It's ridiculous, but it shows what the government thinks of Trump. Let this be a happy day for Harry and Meghan.
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Old 01-27-2018, 06:33 PM
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Considering what Trump said about Harry's mother I think there is not a snowballs' chance in hell he would be invited, and that goes even if it WAS a state occasion. Neither Harry nor William or the RF as a whole strike me as the forgiving or pandering type. Trump made disgusting personal remarks about a recently deceased woman and their adored mother. He didn't just cross the line, he did a a belly flop over it.
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Old 01-27-2018, 06:38 PM
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Just to be a bit petty on my part as well....but why should Trump be invited when he has not even congratulated the couple on their engagement?!! An American girl is getting married to a senior Prince in the most famous royal family in the world....and the tweeter in chief of the country where the girl was born has been silent!
Trump probably knows what Meghan has said about him, not to mention, he may remember what he said about Harry's mother. Perhaps he's experiencing a rare moment of shame over it, and does not want the negative Twitter responses such as the ones Ivanka received when she congratulated them.
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Old 01-27-2018, 06:48 PM
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I am not so sure Trump would decline an invitation to wedding. On the contrary, I think he would attend if invited.
I tend to agree. I think it could create tremendous problems and see no need to invite him.

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The Governor Generals and PMs of several Commonwealth realms were invited to William's wedding, weren't they ? I recall that the PMs of Australia and NZ were in attendance. The Canadian PM couldn't go, but GG David Johnston attended the wedding. Will they be invited also to Harry's wedding ? I think they should be, even if it is not a state occasion.
William's wedding was not completely a private occasion though--he is the heir to the heir, so it was more a semi-state wedding. That's one of the reasons William's wedding was at the Abbey.
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Old 01-27-2018, 08:02 PM
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When it comes to Harry and Meghan's wedding and the invitations they want to send out. I would wager that the Obamas would be invited because Harry has had occasions to interact and work with them on several occasions and seem to have struck up a friendship. The Trumps will not be invited solely because Harry or Meghan do not even know the couple or have even met them.

As mentioned before, the security would be a nightmare. Its just not going to happen. A private wedding such as this will be is not the time to play politics and have any other purpose other than celebrating the union of the two people getting married.
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Old 01-27-2018, 08:20 PM
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Trump probably knows what Meghan has said about him, not to mention, he may remember what he said about Harry's mother. Perhaps he's experiencing a rare moment of shame over it, and does not want the negative Twitter responses such as the ones Ivanka received when she congratulated them.
Piers Morgan has an new interview with Trump where he tells Trump what Meghan said about him. I haven't seen it but apparently Trump takes the high road. Who would have ever thought?!

Anyway, I highly doubt Trump will be at the wedding or that he will even be invited. Just don't see any reason why he would be.
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Old 01-27-2018, 08:32 PM
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Frome an outtake from Piers Morgan's interview with Trump, the wedding came up. Trump wished happiness for both of them and he doesn't know about an invitation. Piers reminded Trump of Meghan's criticism of him, and he still wished them happiness. Given what is known about Trump I believe he wants the invitation and the state visit. Going after Meghan, future princess of the United Kingdom, could blow both things out of the water...or he's afraid it will.
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