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Old 05-15-2018, 10:01 PM
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I'm still reeling from this Tom Sr business and my heart still goes out to Meghan and Harry. I'm embarrassed that I ever tried to find ways to empathize with Tom Sr and look for other reasons why he might have posed for the pics with the paps. I am unable to wrap my head around his current behavior. I think he's being a terrible father and now a lot of things about his relationship with Meghan makes a lot of sense. Right now, I view him as manipulative emotionally and toxic. I don't want him to come to the UK. I wish him well in his surgery.

As for who walks Meghan down the aisle - I really don't want to see her walk alone. That's just too much to ask and I think it would just raise way too many questions. I'd rather see Doria do it (because she's been ROCK SOLID in her discretion), or Prince Charles do it (because it would illustrate how the BRF has accepted her as family).

I am very curious to see if we will be seeing any family from Doria's side. As a whole, they've been very discreet. I think a stepmom or something may have said something in the beginning (perhaps she hadn't been warned yet), but nothing since. And there was some estranged half-brother-in-law-or-something who sold some pics, but since then radio silence. As a whole, the Raglands and Johnsons have been the epitome of discretion and class. If any family members deserved invites - it was them. I hope we see some people from that side, if for nothing else to contrast with the absolute sh!tshow the paternal Markle side has displayed.

But that's more a selfish desire on my part to see more from Doria's side of the family. Maybe Meghan isn't close with them either.

I pray that Meghan is able to divert her focus to all that she has to be thankful for, and focus on the family she's joining and her husband to be and how happy he makes her. I hope she focuses on the beautiful dress she has to wear. I hope she focuses on the gorgeous setting she's marrying her Prince Charming (literally). I hope she focuses on all of the good she and Harry will be able to accomplish together. I hope she focuses on their future.

God bless her and Harry, Doria and the BRF.
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Old 05-15-2018, 10:04 PM
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What if it turned out to be that both Doria and Charles walk Meghan down the aisle? It would be a wonderful message of how everything is connected with her mother there for the love and support that Meghan has always had and with marrying Harry, also has the love and support of Harry's family in everything.

Wishful thinking I know.
Osipi, This is not wishful thinking. It is a splendid idea. However, if Doria is the only one to walk the bride down the aisle, then may Doria do it with pride!
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Old 05-15-2018, 10:36 PM
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IMO, Doria or no one. It is ridiculous to have Charles when her mother, who birthed her, raised her, has loved and supported her, AND will be escorting her from the hotel, is perfectly capable of walking down a church aisle.
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Old 05-15-2018, 10:48 PM
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Personally I NEVER want to feel sympathy for a Bride, on what SHOULD be the most joyous day of her life..
Wyevale, I agree. People should not have to feel sorry for the bride. The bride and the wedding day are HAPPINESS.
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Old 05-15-2018, 11:22 PM
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Personally I NEVER want to feel sympathy for a Bride, on what SHOULD be the most joyous day of her life..
You are not wrong. This is just so incredibly painful just following the "breaking news", I cannot imagine how heartsore Meghan must feel and the sheer awfulness of waiting for the other shoe to drop. How must Harry feel with each new "revelation" leaving him desperately helpless to protect Meghan? Harry must feel gutted that he is utterly powerless to stop the Markle juggernaut.
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Old 05-15-2018, 11:23 PM
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And then nothing. Not commenting on personal matters is nothing new for the Palace.

Are you saying that the Palace is releasing statements on behalf of Harry and Meghan on personal matters without input from them? It amazes me how far some will stretch to make it seem that Meghan doesnít care for her father as much as official records, whether previously from Meghan herself or now Palace, says.
Nobody has stated that Meghan doesn't care about her father. Of course she does; I am sure she is worried (next to many other feelings she might have had in recent days/weeks/months) and might even feel some guilt for all the stress she brought upon him by marrying Harry. However, as I explained in my previous post: caring about someone is very different from being 'close'. And yes, I do think that we need to take 'PR' into account when interpreting statements made about relationships - and compare that to the action that in this case unfortunately don't point to a very close relationship but do point to a relationship in which Meghan cares enough about her father to want him present at her wedding (it must be really bad for a child not to want a parent at your wedding) and worried about him because of his strange behavior (which she might either recognize as a pattern or it might come as a completely unexpected turn of events) and possible health issues.

Regarding this specific statement, the palace was very much doing 'damage control'; that was the main purpose of the statement. And clearly, the couple knows more than we do and they along with their staff took that into account when crafting a statement that didn't tell us anything about whether mr Markle will attend the wedding (as they most likely weren't sure themselves) but did try to get the media to back off (they surely didn't want him subjected to even more media scrutiny but most likely didn't expect him to run to TMZ again in response). I'd say Meghan is behaving impeccable in this very difficult situation and loves her father no matter what (but sometimes love at a distance might be more healthy than letting him interfere too much with her life).

All in all, I don't think we will ever agree on the issue of 'closeness' as your definition of close is extremely wide (at least that's what it seems to me and you did not contradict that) and mine and others who don't buy the 'they are so close' story is a little narrower - and that's fine (we might even agree more than it looks like)
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Old 05-15-2018, 11:27 PM
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This whole thing reeks of nonsense.

Thomas Markle is an embarrassment to men around the world in this predicament.

Princes William, Charles or even Edward should walk Meghan down the aisle on Saturday morning. What a shame.
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Old 05-15-2018, 11:31 PM
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This whole thing reeks of nonsense.

Thomas Markle is an embarrassment to men around the world in this predicament.

Princes William, Charles or even Edward should walk Meghan down the aisle on Saturday morning. What a shame.

Marie-Christine may get the last laugh indeed.
Why [...] would William and or Edward walk her down the aisle? What are their connection to her??? She is marrying into their family. Charles is the only one which makes remote sense.
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Old 05-15-2018, 11:44 PM
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Why [...] would William and or Edward walk her down the aisle? What are their connection to her??? She is marrying into their family. Charles is the only one which makes remote sense.
A male member of the Royal Family should escort her down the aisle.
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Old 05-15-2018, 11:48 PM
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A male member of the Royal Family should escort her down the aisle.
How about Prince Michael then? Nicholas Windsor? Maybe Viscount Severn? If any member of the BRF will do. I mean its far more important that a member of the BRF walks her down the aisle, then someone she has any connection to.
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Old 05-16-2018, 02:18 AM
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A male member of the Royal Family should escort her down the aisle.
Why? presumably she has relatives and friends of her own who can step in if her father isn't avaialable...
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Old 05-16-2018, 02:51 AM
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I am not surprised at all if itís indeed true that the children and grandchildren of the Kents and Gloucesters arenít invited. I predicted that some time ago in this thread. When they said only 600 guests in the chapel it seemed obvious that the whole royal family would not be in attendance. Harry and Meghan have shown they wanted a slimmed down wedding so why invite grooms relatives he only sees once a year.
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Old 05-16-2018, 03:37 AM
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I am not surprised at all if itís indeed true that the children and grandchildren of the Kents and Gloucesters arenít invited. I predicted that some time ago in this thread. When they said only 600 guests in the chapel it seemed obvious that the whole royal family would not be in attendance. Harry and Meghan have shown they wanted a slimmed down wedding so why invite grooms relatives he only sees once a year.
I thought the Kent and Gloucester kids would go (not so much the generation after them) as they all grew up with William and Harry and even Peter Phillips invited them to his. Oh well, we might see Ella and Freddie Windsor at least at the next wedding as Eugenie went to Freddie's wedding and is reported to be godmother to his daughter.I really hope so as I will miss seeing this part of the family on Saturday. And as far as how often they see them, they are close enough for Prince Charles and William to have helped out when Sophie Windsor was sick recently so these are not very distant relatives.I think this whole wedding is just one big confusion when it comes to what family members are being asked. I wouldn't be surprised if Harry feels he can't have loads of family there because there are so few coming from Meghan's side due to all her family difficulties.Shame.
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Old 05-16-2018, 03:48 AM
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In all my conversations with anyone about this royal wedding I have never heard one person speak ill of Meghan's race. I don't think it is an issue at all.
Most people are positive. I have heard people wonder how Meghan will cope, not being British, and with the changes she will need to make in her freedoms. Every newlywed needs to adjust to their new life but Meghan will be in the public eye.
The Markles are proving mean, outspoken and giving plenty of reason for some to question the suitability of a member of their clan. It is unfair to label Meghan similarly but I don't see any racism.
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Old 05-16-2018, 05:08 AM
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The bridesmaids and pageboys were announced:

https://www.royal.uk/bridesmaids-and...-meghan-markle
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Old 05-16-2018, 05:12 AM
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YAY.....some nice news to start the day!
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Old 05-16-2018, 05:16 AM
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In all my conversations with anyone about this royal wedding I have never heard one person speak ill of Meghan's race. I don't think it is an issue at all.
Most people are positive. I have heard people wonder how Meghan will cope, not being British, and with the changes she will need to make in her freedoms. Every newlywed needs to adjust to their new life but Meghan will be in the public eye.
The Markles are proving mean, outspoken and giving plenty of reason for some to question the suitability of a member of their clan. It is unfair to label Meghan similarly but I don't see any racism.
She has proved to have estranged herself from many of those dysfunctional family relations, so (at least for me) that is good enough proof that she is nothing like those persons.

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The bridesmaids and pageboys were announced:

https://www.royal.uk/bridesmaids-and...-meghan-markle
I cannot wait to see sweet little Charlotte in her dress
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Old 05-16-2018, 05:17 AM
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The bridesmaids and pageboys were announced:

https://www.royal.uk/bridesmaids-and...-meghan-markle
An even split between Prince Harry's side and Meghan's. No surprise that Prince George and Princess Charlotte were chosen as well as the Mulroneys.
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Old 05-16-2018, 05:21 AM
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Great list of bridesmaids and pageboys!

Another Van Cutsem----little Grace was such a hit at the flyover following the Cambridge wedding and here we are with her little sister. LOVE IT
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Old 05-16-2018, 05:50 AM
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Great list of bridesmaids and pageboys!

Another Van Cutsem----little Grace was such a hit at the flyover following the Cambridge wedding and here we are with her little sister. LOVE IT
Florence van Cutsem is Grace's cousin - their fathers (Nicholas and Hugh, respectively) are brothers.
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