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Old 05-15-2018, 06:14 PM
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Oh good GOD! This man has no shame. IF he really has to undergo heart surgery tomorrow, LET KP ANNOUNCE IT!

His continued use of TMZ raises nothing but red flags. I also find it extremely suspect with all of the media staked outside his house no one got any pictures of him or an ambulence going to the hospital? The DM has several reporters on the ground in MX and LA and nothing??

Nothing makes sense with this man.
That's what I don't understand. He knows the trouble working with the paps caused, yet he keeps going to TMZ and spilling the family business. He's making things worse. If he really wanted to do what's right by Meghan, he would stop calling up the tabloids and ask KP to release any further statements about his health/his attendance at the wedding.
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Old 05-15-2018, 06:15 PM
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What a mess this is....I wish KP could of got ahold of this yesterday and put the official statement out ...all the drama could of been avoided.


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That's what people have been doing. Of course someone can be close to both parents but it also a real option that someone is not that close but still cares about that family member.

Fact: she did not introduce Harry in person to her dad - while Harry for example made sure to introduce Meghan in person to his aunts. So, those are the actions on which the evaluation of Meghan's not so close relationship with her father are based. Talking to the tabloids instead of your own daughter confirms these inklings.

I guess the main issue is about definitions. In yours the category 'close' seems to range from sharing most details of your life with someone to being in touch once in a while and fine with the other not getting to know your future husband. In my definition that second one falls in a different category; I'd probably even have a category in between: close (Meghan and her mom) - good - fine/ok (Meghan and her dad, hopefully) - not so good/troubled - non-existent (Meghan and her siblings).
Did Harry pop into Mexico and I didn't know? Or even Meghan? Meghan met Harry's aunts while they were in the same country. And we do know that Meghan loves her father and is in contact with him (maybe with the exception of the last few days) and is close enough to WANT him to walk her down the aisle as she marries the man she loves. And Harry, knowing Meghan and her familial relations better than all of us, felt that he wants to ask both Tom and Doria's blessing before proposing to their daughter. And not meeting someone doesn't mean you don't know them. Especially with today's technology. I've not seen my parents in person in years, doesn't mean we aren't close. We know the things that are going on in each other's lives.
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Old 05-15-2018, 06:20 PM
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Prince Henrik (RIP): No one will ever come close to my accomplishment of muddying up certain internal, sensitive matters inside one of the great royal families of Europe.

Thomas Markle, Sr: Hold my beer.

I love the pictures of the Sorrento lemons. And its the metaphor for what Meghan and Harry are up against this week----I hope they make the sweetest of lemonade from this stupid kerfuffle that landed at their doorstep.

I lift my glass in advance to the bride and groom.
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Old 05-15-2018, 06:24 PM
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I haven't seen my father in three years. And it's not unusual for us. We just happen to lead different lives. Doesn't mean we aren't close or have contact.

Bottom line is, after all of this blew up. Meghan and Harry are still asking for respect and understanding for her father. You simply don't do that if you aren't that close.
Sure you do, it's called saving face. They have no choice, anything less would be seen as callous to the media hyenas.

I don't know why people keep bringing their personal experiences into this discussion, it's not in any way relevant imo.
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Old 05-15-2018, 06:26 PM
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Sure you do, it's called saving face. They have no choice, anything less would be seen as callous to the media hyenas.

I don't know why people keep bringing their personal experiences into this discussion, it's not in any way relevant imo.
Actually, that's not true. KP could have left it as this is a personal moment for Meghan and leave it at that. NO reasonable minds would blame the bride for being upset and disinvite her father after Monday.
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Old 05-15-2018, 06:28 PM
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I agree that Harry not meeting Markle Sr was strange. I've thought as much since they said it in the interview.

But, more and more I believe that was a choice made by Tom, not made by Harry or Meghan. Tom has shown he has no issues going to LA, owns a property in LA and was in LA for the holidays in 2016. Harry was rumored to have visited Doria in LA. So if MX was an issue for security reasons, why not meet in LA? And for the record, where he lives in MX is perfectly safe. I hate seeing the UK tabs talk so badly of that region.

I can't imagine someone like Harry, who is keen on family and has been close to previous partner's families AND is seemingly close to Doria, not trying to meet the father of the woman he loves.

So, all signs point IMO to Tom Sr ultimately being the one who didn't want to make it work.
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Yes, my point is that you have to have personal experience to really know the details of what heart surgery entails.
From what has been quoted as Mr. Markle stating, the procedure he will be undergoing is even performed as an outpatient in a lot of cases. It all depends on the person's overall health.

I'm sure there are people here that are more familiar with the procedure and some that work in the medical profession that could provide more details than I can.

https://medicine.umich.edu/dept/card...lasty-stenting
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I wonder if this communication between Mr Markle and TMZ really happens.
Is TMZ a reliable source?
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Old 05-15-2018, 06:50 PM
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Oh good GOD! This man has no shame. IF he really has to undergo heart surgery tomorrow, LET KP ANNOUNCE IT!

His continued use of TMZ raises nothing but red flags. I also find it extremely suspect with all of the media staked outside his house no one got any pictures of him or an ambulence going to the hospital? The DM has several reporters on the ground in MX and LA and nothing??

Nothing makes sense with this man.
I agree. Here is a man who’s daughter is about to marry into the Most famous royal family in the world. He is allegedly in the hospital facing major heart surgery and who is his spokesperson? TMZ. Nothing adds up here and it doesn’t bode well for the future if he counts TMZ as confidants.
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If it's true that many of the younger generation have been left off the guest list, I will be very disappointed.
I was looking forward to seeing them, since we rarely do.
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Old 05-15-2018, 06:54 PM
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If they are putting in a stint it usually means a 75% or greater blockage (close to someone who had this done two weeks ago)

If this is what is really happening with him, its not major surgery but also not something you would follow a few days later with a transatlantic flight chaser.
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I agree. Here is a man who’s daughter is about to marry into the Most famous royal family in the world. He is allegedly in the hospital facing major heart surgery and who is his spokesperson? TMZ. Nothing adds up here and it doesn’t bode well for the future if he counts TMZ as confidants.
Hate to say it texankitcat but MONEY counts
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Old 05-15-2018, 07:03 PM
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If they are putting in a stint it usually means a 75% or greater blockage (close to someone who had this done two weeks ago)

If this is what is really happening with him, its not major surgery but also not something you would follow a few days later with a transatlantic flight chaser.
Yes, placing a stent doesn’t really qualify as heart surgery, which is actually rarely performed these days. It is a relatively common procedure by current standards, though not without risk. No reason to overdramatize the situation however, or exaggerate the significance of Mr Marklr not being able to attend the wedding.

Maybe the Palace has not released any official statement yet because they are checking the facts first.
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If it's true that many of the younger generation have been left off the guest list, I will be very disappointed.
I was looking forward to seeing them, since we rarely do.
I can understand not having all them. Especially the more socialite party people of that group. Some of them would go to the opening of an envelope for publicity.
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Actually, that's not true. KP could have left it as this is a personal moment for Meghan and leave it at that. NO reasonable minds would blame the bride for being upset and disinvite her father after Monday.
Sure they could have been silent, and Meghan could be rightfully peeved and disinvite him. And then, when he pops up with a 'heart attack' the next day, then what?

They spoke on his behalf to try to diffuse the situation, damage control. It didn't work, but there really wasn't a viable option. It doesn't tell me a thing about how close they may or may not be. It's a pat response, possibly even not thought up by Meghan & Harry at all. I can see a bunch of palace people writing up a statement, running it by HM, Charles, H&M and then sending it out. Nothing cozy and caring about it imo.
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Old 05-15-2018, 07:13 PM
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I can understand not having all them. Especially the more socialite party people of that group. Some of them would go to the opening of an envelope for publicity.
We discussed that topic a while ago when it transpired that Lady Amelia and Lady Marina had not been invited. As I wrote back then, it would be odd if they had not been invited, but other Kent and Gloucester children/ grandchildren had. Since none were invited, I think it is OK.

I assume Princess Margaret’s children and grandchildren are still invited though, are they not ? And , of course, the senior Kents and Gloucesters (King George V ‘s grandchiidren) will be there too.
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Sure they could have been silent, and Meghan could be rightfully peeved and disinvite him. And then, when he pops up with a 'heart attack' the next day, then what?

They spoke on his behalf to try to diffuse the situation, damage control. It didn't work, but there really wasn't a viable option. It doesn't tell me a thing about how close they may or may not be. It's a pat response, possibly even not thought up by Meghan & Harry at all. I can see a bunch of palace people writing up a statement, running it by HM, Charles, H&M and then sending it out. Nothing cozy and caring about it imo.
And then nothing. Not commenting on personal matters is nothing new for the Palace.

Are you saying that the Palace is releasing statements on behalf of Harry and Meghan on personal matters without input from them? It amazes me how far some will stretch to make it seem that Meghan doesn’t care for her father as much as official records, whether previously from Meghan herself or now Palace, says.
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Yes, placing a stent doesn’t really qualify as heart surgery, which is actually rarely performed these days. It is a relatively common procedure by current standards, though not without risk. No reason to overdramatize the situation however, or exaggerate the significance of Mr Marklr not being able to attend the wedding.

Maybe the Palace has not released any official statement yet because they are checking the facts first.
I used to date a cardiac nurse, the doctor he worked with was one of the first doctors to use them, this is how he explained it to me. They make about an inch long incision in your groin area to access the femoral artery. They insert a tiny scope with the stent on the end of a long wire, they fish that wire into the blockage using ultrasound imaging to guide the way. It's a very routine procedure anymore, and yes it can even be outpatient. It's not really heart surgery.

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And then nothing. Not commenting on personal matters is nothing new for the Palace.

Are you saying that the Palace is releasing statements on behalf of Harry and Meghan on personal matters without input from them? It amazes me how far some will stretch to make it seem that Meghan doesn’t care for her father as much as official records, whether previously from Meghan herself or now Palace, says.
Go back and read my post, I never said they had no input, I said it may not have been their idea in the first place to make a statement. I also think that if Meghan had told her father to stay away and he came up with a heart attack the next day he would have sung to the rafters how his daughter gave him a heart attack. And then nothing my foot, the media would have torn them to shreds.

It amazes me how purposefully people misconstrue a very simple statement, I guess we're both just amazed.
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We discussed that topic a while ago when it transpired that Lady Amelia and Lady Marina had not been invited. As I wrote back then, it would be odd if they had not been invited, but other Kent and Gloucester children/ grandchildren had. Since none were invited, I think it is OK.

I assume Princess Margaret’s children and grandchildren are still invited though, are they not ? And , of course, the senior Kents and Gloucesters (King George V ‘s grandchiidren) will be there too.
I’d be very surprised if Princess Margaret’s children and grandchildren aren’t invited. They’ve celebrated Christmases with the Queen and her family. Even if they aren’t as close as Harry and his cousins, they cross paths. I imagine the only Kent and Gloucester grandchildren that will be invited, if any, would be those that know Harry well (if any of them do). At some point, inviting third cousin might be a little much given this is a more scaled down wedding at a smaller venue.
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