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Old 09-25-2019, 07:30 PM
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It seems the previous two tours (Australasia and Morocco) were more 'government-type' trips while this one seems more focused on their personal interests and royal patronages (theirs and those of other family members such as the queen); many activities seem to be somehow tied to their Commonwealth roles.

I wonder whose initiative this trip was; was it Harry & Meghan suggesting (probably not formally but I am sure they know how to go about these things) to undertake this trip (which was approved) or was it the government spontaneously coming up with the idea to send the two of them to Southern Africa - and them agreeing.

Looking into the various activities so far:

Day 1
1 - Justice Desk: The Justice Desk is led by Queen’s Young Leader, Jessica Dewhurst and is supported by The Queen’s Commonwealth Trust (QCT). The Queen is Patron of The QCT, The Duke is President and The Duchess is Vice-President. Jessica received her Queen’s Young Leader’s Award in 2016 from Her Majesty The Queen.
2. District 6 with Homecoming Centre: relationship/reason unclear - personal interest?

Day 2
3. "Waves for Change": Mental Health - same theme as their (previous) foundation's focus & UK’s Commonwealth Litter Programme: Commonwealth initiative
4H. Seal Island: In his capacity as Captain General of The Royal Marines, a role he was appointed to by The Queen in 2017, The Duke of Sussex visited "Seal Island" with officers from the City of Cape Town Marine Unit (MPU). - with a focus on fighting illegal wildlife trade.
5. Mosque visit - interfaith dialogue & Heritage Day (walkabout): relationship/reason unclear - personal interest and/or UK High Commissioner suggestion?
6. Reception at British High Commissioner's Residence: government representation - visitors included Commonwealth and Chevening scholars.

Day 3
7. Meeting with Desmond Tutu - Desmond & Leah Tutu Legacy Foundation: The Duke previously met Archbishop Tutu in 2015 when His Royal Highness presented him with the Insignia of an Honorary member of The Order of the Companions of Honour on behalf of Her Majesty The Queen. The Queen has met Archbishop Tutu many times over the course of her reign including in 1995, 2004 and 2013.
8M. UK-SA Tech Hub - female entrepreneurship: This work is something which is a key focus for The Duchess of Sussex. In March 2019, The Duchess of Sussex joined a panel discussion convened by The Queen’s Commonwealth Trust to mark International Women’s Day, featuring female business and charity leaders.
9M. “mothers2mothers” - employs women with HIV: relationship/reason unclear - personal interest (combining Harry's previous interest in HIV-related issues with Meghan's interest in women issues)?

So, it seems - so far - their personal interests are a huge factor in the chosen activities for this tour.
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Old 09-25-2019, 07:47 PM
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This is just my guess but I imagine that when the Queen appointed Harry as the Commonwealth Youth Ambassador and both Harry and Meghan as president and vice-president of The Queen's Commonwealth Trust and appointing Meghan as patron of the Association of Commonwealth Universities, the seeds were planted then on how to familiarize the Sussex couple with their Commonwealth nations. Africa is a great starting point for their incentives and involvement in the African Commonwealth nations.

I'm happy its a working visit. They're getting the ball rolling and getting to know the area and the people. I think we're going to be seeing a lot more of these kind of working visits whereas the FCO could most likely deem the more official visits representing the monarch, herself (or Charles when the time comes), to the actual heirs to the throne.

Its here we're seeing an even bigger split in roles between William and Harry as William and Kate prepares more for William's role as heir to the throne and eventually monarch whereas Harry and Meghan become more and more involved in the needs and the incentives and work for the Commonwealth nations.

Its a perfect plan in my eyes and doesn't "lessen" the importance of the Sussexes but actually gives them an very important role in preserving and supporting the Commonwealth nations which is very dear to HM, The Queen's heart.
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Old 09-25-2019, 07:52 PM
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This is just my guess but I imagine that when the Queen appointed Harry as the Commonwealth Youth Ambassador and both Harry and Meghan as president and vice-president of The Queen's Commonwealth Trust and appointing Meghan as patron of the Association of Commonwealth Universities, the seeds were planted then on how to familiarize the Sussex couple with their Commonwealth nations. Africa is a great starting point for their incentives and involvement in the African Commonwealth nations.

I'm happy its a working visit. They're getting the ball rolling and getting to know the area and the people. I think we're going to be seeing a lot more of these kind of working visits whereas the FCO could most likely deem the more official visits representing the monarch, herself (or Charles when the time comes), to the actual heirs to the throne.

Its here we're seeing an even bigger split in roles between William and Harry as William and Kate prepares more for William's role as heir to the throne and eventually monarch whereas Harry and Meghan become more and more involved in the needs and the incentives and work for the Commonwealth nations.

Its a perfect plan in my eyes and doesn't "lessen" the importance of the Sussexes but actually gives them an very important role in preserving and supporting the Commonwealth nations which is very dear to HM, The Queen's heart.
Yes, I agree. This seems to be going on (and was kind of announced at their engagement and stressed by Meghan with her wedding dress); and I think it is a very smart division of work (and one that H&M thoroughly enjoy as well) - although I expected a larger number of activities to be officially tied to some Commonwealth initiative.
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Old 09-25-2019, 07:55 PM
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Its here we're seeing an even bigger split in roles between William and Harry as William and Kate prepares more for William's role as heir to the throne and eventually monarch whereas Harry and Meghan become more and more involved in the needs and the incentives and work for the Commonwealth nations.
Sophie just returned from a Commonwealth conference in Africa. William visited four Commonwealth African countries last year. In October the Cambridges will be visiting Pakistan, a nuclear power and second largest Commonwealth country after India, a country the Cambridges have also visited.

So from a practical standpoint the Sussexes are no more involved with the Commonwealth than any other royals despite their ‘roles’
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Old 09-25-2019, 08:17 PM
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What you say is true, Rudolph and the Commonwealth plays a huge part in the entire workings of the "Firm". All things are connected in various different ways.

Harry and Meghan though are to make the Commonwealth a prime focus of their public lives and with a "working visit" rather than an "official visit", they're getting more deeply into the grassroots of things where they visit. The people, the incentives, the projects are more the focus than the meet and greet we see more of on an "official" visit.
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Old 09-25-2019, 08:48 PM
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i have to admit i was expecting more from this tour - somehow it seems very low key and nothing like the grand tours of W&K. maybe there is a reason for it, perhaps the need for a PR campaign to improve H&M's profile following their recent criticism, or a will to put more emphasis on W&K by the Royal house.
Harry/Meghan had a massive, grand formal tour last year and a shorter but still formal pomp tour in Morocco. Different tours call for different things. This is very much a "working visit" where they seem keen on a grassroots focus. Its all gone rather swimmingly to my view as well. The reporting on this tour has been some of the most substantive I've seen on young royals tour.

As to Rudolph's point. Yes Wills/Kate have done India (a tour) and are doing a shorter "working visit" to Pakistan, but Meghan and Harry, together and Harry individually, have toured several CW nations in the mere year of their marriage thus far versus the 8 years of time Will and Kate have had where they have done tours to the CW. I am very sure they will also get to India and Pakistan and other nations too as they dig deeper into their roles. Harry is going to be doing a charm offensive in Angola to get them to join the CW as a matter of fact. Part of a multiple prong effort I am sure.

I would guess a Canada tour in 2020 for the Sussexes' actually and continued work in Africa as well.

Another truly lovely video from SussexRoyal. What a special day it has been. Oh happy day indeed! A very meaningful choice for who they met but for many around the world too. The Arch was absolutely taken with lil Archie. Something I've seen in real life with him too! He loves kids so much and being around them.

I think its so lovely and respectful that they brought their son to be blessed by such an amazing man.

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Old 09-25-2019, 09:43 PM
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Court Circular 23rd September:
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The Duke and Duchess of Sussex this morning arrived at Cape Town International Airport and were subsequently received at the Residence in Cape Town by the British High Commissioner to the Republic of South Africa (His Excellency Mr Nigel Casey).

His Royal Highness, President, The Queen’s Commonwealth Trust, and Her Royal Highness, Vice-President, this afternoon visited Justice Desk, Nyanga Methodist Church, Nyanga, Cape Town.

The Duke and Duchess of Sussex afterwards visited District Six Museum, 25A Buitenkant Street, Zonnebloem, Cape Town.

Their Royal Highnesses later visited District Six Homecoming Centre, 15A Buitenkant Street, Zonnebloem.

Court Circular 24th September:
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The Duke and Duchess of Sussex this morning visited Waves for Change at Monwabisi Beach, Khayelitsha, Cape Town, South Africa, and met volunteers from the Lunchbox Fund and representatives of the Commonwealth Litter Programme.

The Duke of Sussex, Captain General, Royal Marines, afterwards received a briefing on anti-poaching operations from the South African Maritime Police Unit and Royal Marines at Kalk Bay Harbour, Cape Town.

The Duke and Duchess of Sussex this afternoon met multi-faith groups at Auwal Mosque, 43 Dorp Street, Bo-Kaap, Cape Town.

Their Royal Highnesses afterwards visited Bo-Kaap to mark Heritage Day.

The Duke and Duchess of Sussex later attended a Reception given by the British High Commissioner to South Africa (His Excellency Mr Nigel Casey) at the Residence in Cape Town.

Court Circular 25th September:
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The Duke and Duchess of Sussex this morning called upon the Most Reverend Archbishop Desmond Tutu and Mrs Tutu at the Desmond and Leah Tutu Legacy Foundation, Cape Town, South Africa.

His Royal Highness this evening arrived in Kasane, Botswana.

The Duchess of Sussex this afternoon attended a discussion with female entrepreneurs at Work in Progress, Albert Road, Woodstock, Cape Town.

Her Royal Highness afterwards visited Mothers to Mothers in Cape Town.
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Old 09-26-2019, 03:37 AM
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As is often readily pointed out when a knockdown is wished to be made, William and Catherine are the future King and Queen so it makes sense that their tours would be more grand in scale. I think they are hitting the correct note with this tour and being respectful of the challenges facing Africa at this time.
I agree, these are very poor areas they are visiting and Meghan has pitched it just right. No expensive outfits or flashy jewels, while still looking beautiful, appropriate and comfortable.
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Old 09-26-2019, 07:45 AM
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“Prince Harry to his Botswanan hosts in the boat: “Everything is good in the world - apart from us humans”. He said it three times”

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Old 09-26-2019, 07:54 AM
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“Prince Harry to his Botswanan hosts in the boat: “Everything is good in the world - apart from us humans”. He said it three times”

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Except for the fact that he’s right though. We are the ones causing all the problems.
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Old 09-26-2019, 07:59 AM
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Except for the fact that he’s right though. We are the ones causing all the problems.
I wonder what his solution is to all of us ‘awful humans’.
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Old 09-26-2019, 08:22 AM
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I wonder what his solution is to all of us ‘awful humans’.


Can you honestly look at everything that happens and say we are not the problem?? That doesn’t mean humanity is awful, it does mean it’s good to more mindful of the world around us. We are not alone on this planet, but what we do affects everything.
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Old 09-26-2019, 08:40 AM
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Can you honestly look at everything that happens and say we are not the problem?? That doesn’t mean humanity is awful, it does mean it’s good to more mindful of the world around us. We are not alone on this planet, but what we do affects everything.
I agree. Humans are the highest form of intelligence on this third rock from the Sun and look how we've taken care of it for future generations. Humans are not the sole problem that is destroying our Earth but we're not really doing all we can to stop the damage either.

As for staying in bed, sometimes that's the best staycation a person can have. Especially if joined by someone to share the blankets with. Love is staying up all night with a sick kid.... or a healthy adult.
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Old 09-26-2019, 08:44 AM
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I wonder what his solution is to all of us ‘awful humans’.
I can't say what Harry's solution is but I can say as a collective whole we humans are awful, in the way that we treat one another, in way we are careless with our resources. That being said we are humans and we can improve, do better by treating each other with respect and still hold each accountable for our actions. To look for ways to protect our resources (water, trees, plant etc.).
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Harry has named dropped Greta Thunberg, talked about climate change deniers and said humans are what’s wrong with the earth.

It’s perfectly within the rules to post his utterances here and give comment on them.
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Except for the fact that he’s right though. We are the ones causing all the problems.
We are also the ones with the potential to create the solutions. There is a very great deal of ugliness in the world, but ignoring the little beacons of hope, grace and beauty is a sad way to live. It's ultimately also a self-defeating way to live, because if humans are all awful, then staying in bed sounds reasonable, but won't get much done in the way of fixing things.

While I wish Harry had put less emphasis on how terrible it all is, both of the Sussexes seem to be putting most of their energy into trying to make things better, so hopefully his comments were taken out of context, and not indicative of his overall philosophy.
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We are also the ones with the potential to create the solutions. There is a very great deal of ugliness in the world, but ignoring the little beacons of hope, grace and beauty is a sad way to live. It's ultimately also a self-defeating way to live, because if humans are all awful, then staying in bed sounds reasonable, but won't get much done in the way of fixing things.

While I wish Harry had put less emphasis on how terrible it all is, both of the Sussexes seem to be putting most of their energy into trying to make things better, so hopefully his comments were taken out of context, and not indicative of his overall philosophy.
I think it was one sentence, said threw times. T hats it. Most of the emphasis of this tour and all the interviews have been in hope and the positive work people are doing. I'm not going to fault Harry for laying the blame where it belongs, us humans. It's necessary too, in order to change that behaviour.
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