Harry and Meghan: Relationship Musings


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There are various H&M romance timelines, many of which were generated after the one year anniversay of their romance circa June/July of this year. Some gossip suggests H&M met in May 2016 in Toronto, but that's unconfirmed. I hope more details of how and when they actually met will eventually be cleared up definitively. Possibly they met in May 2016 but didn't connect again until June 2016 when Meghan was in London to visit Wimbledon as Serena Williams' guest. Then in mid-July 2016, reportedly Harry and Meghan flew to L.A. to visit friends of Harry's (and that's likely when Harry may have first met Meghan's mother). Mid-July 2016 (after the L.A. trip) is when the relationship is said to have first become serious and gained a solid footing. They were apart for most of August 2016, as Meghan was attending a friend's wedding and traveling to Spain with two of her closest friends (Misha Nonoo and Markus Anderson, either of whom may have introduced Harry to Meghan since they were both acquainted with Harry and were close friends of Meghan's before H&M met).

One report I read (which I'm trying to relocate) indicates that Harry took Meghan to Balmoral in September 2016 to attend an annual/traditional hunting party, and that's said to be the occasion where she met Prince Charles for the first time. And then reports about H&M dating began to trickle into mainstream media gossip in October 2016. Then followed the famous November 8, 2016 press release to the media by Prince Harry. The timelines below vary slightly in their coverage, but are typical:


Prince Harry and Meghan Markle: A timeline of their romance - HELLO! US slideshow

Prince Harry and Meghan Markle Dating Timeline - Everything to Know About Prince Harry's Girlfriend

When Harry Met Meghan: A Timeline (a cute video with captions)
When Harry met Meghan - A timeline

Actor Elizabeth Hurley certainly champions H&M's romance: ?
Hurley: "Well you know, I've never met Prince Harry, but I have met Meghan at an NBC charity event, and I thought she was absolutely enchanting. I thought she was the nicest girl. And personally, I'm rooting for a royal wedding. I think it would be fabulous. I would be fully supportive of it. I think [Meghan] is beautiful, glamorous, clever, talented. She'd be a breath of fresh air in the British royal family. I'm for it..." The interviewer goes on to ask Hurley what advice she would offer Meghan. And Hurley demurs with the declaration that she doesn't think Meghan needs any advice because "she's been famous for a long time ... she's on a hot television show, and she seems to be happy and in a good place in her career..."

Hurley admits she only met Meghan once, and I think Hurley took the question to mean 'career advice.' Obviously, Hurley is not in a position to offer advice to Meghan about managing the royal obstacle course. Meghan is being advised and prepped in that capacity by Harry's mentors and staffers.

Its been frequently shown here in the US that the 100th episode of Suits is to air tomorrow night. I have no clue whether or not Meghan would be back in Toronto for that. I know that sometimes with momentous/meaningful episodes in a series that the cast will participate in a Twitter session or something similar.

I seriously doubt that Meghan will attend the White Garden memorial for Diana. I think they'll wait until an official announcement is made before appearing together at an event.

Then again, I could be totally wrong. :D

You're probably right. I would agree that Meghan is unlikely to attend the White Garden memorial for Diana. Meghan will undoubtedly not be appearing at any official or semi-official public events with Harry until after an engagement announcement.

Most likely, Meghan will be at the Invictus games but will probably not be strictly at Harry's side at that event. I am also thinking an engagement might not be announced until early December after season 7 of Suits wraps in November. It's also possible H&M will continue to take things slowly, and not announce anything until early next year, perhaps around Valentine's Day. :rose2:

I'm also thinking they may wish to have all the wedding plans and logistics sorted out and fully arranged before announcing an engagement (with a wedding date closely following) in order to limit the public and paps/tabloid-driven feeding frenzy in the lead-up to their royal wedding. :britflag: :usaflag: :heart2:

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Its been frequently shown here in the US that the 100th episode of Suits is to air tomorrow night. I have no clue whether or not Meghan would be back in Toronto for that. I know that sometimes with momentous/meaningful episodes in a series that the cast will participate in a Twitter session or something similar.

I seriously doubt that Meghan will attend the White Garden memorial for Diana. I think they'll wait until an official announcement is made before appearing together at an event.

Then again, I could be totally wrong. :D

All main Suits cast and crew are on summer break until approximately mid-September. The official Suits USA Twitter site has been promoting the 100th episode.

I wonder if the memorial garden for Diana is considered a public or private event? The press and charities will be there but because it takes place at KP does that make it public?
 
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The ceremony is family-oriented, but also formal and at least semi-public because Diana's former charities will be represented. And if the press is reporting on it, then it's definitely a public and formal event.

Since Meghan is not engaged to Prince Harry, I doubt that she will be present (even if she might still be at KP, in Harry's NottCott residence). I would bet that Harry would prefer to share his more personal emotions surrounding this occasion in private with Meghan, directly after the ceremony.

Harry's birthday is on September 15. I wonder if Harry will be free to be with Meghan in Toronto on that date (if she has to be back in Toronto by then for final filming)?
 
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I think it will be somewhat of a public event but perhaps not in the White Garden where William and Harry will be attending a reception to celebrate their mother's charity work. I would imagine this is a private by invitation only reception. However, there are rumors afloat that the princes may do a walkabout around the area that has been prepared for people to come and leave their tributes to Diana.

"Although they have not confirmed a walkabout at the makeshift Kensington Palace gate memorial, they will attend a reception on Wednesday to celebrate Diana’s charity work in the White Garden built for her."

Kensington Palace braced for new deluge of Diana floral tributes as 20th anniversary nears

With this in mind, I seriously doubt that Meghan would be accompanying Harry as I would imagine that both H&M wouldn't want to detract from the meaning and purpose of the day.
 
I hope everyone knows that Harry and Meghan don't have to be officially engaged to attend official events and non-official engagements together. It's down to the couple's liking.
 
:previous: As I said earlier, if Meghan is still in London, she's very likely going to be back at NottCott preparing a delicious dinner for Harry (there may even be informal plans for Will & Kate to join Harry & Meghan for dinner and celebratory private reflections and memories). Which us the public, will not be privy to. ?

Meghan is not publicly engaged to Harry, and she certainly will not be accompanying Harry at this kind of event in honor of his mother (with Diana's former charities represented). When the time is right (after an engagement announcement), Meghan and Harry will appear side-by-side at an appropriate public event (likely it will not be a very high-profile formal event that initiates such a debut).

It is up to Harry and Meghan regarding how they strategize appearing in public together @Dman. But I also feel that Harry is going to be listening to advice from mentors and royal staffers regarding a smooth roll-out strategy re an engagement announcement and subsequent official public appearances with Meghan.

Above all, Harry has shown that he's going to be protective of Meghan in order to ensure she is not subjected to the OTT Diana-like hounding by the media that his mother endured. H&M will continue to pull back and protect their privacy at the slightest overstepping of boundaries by tabloid/paps and by mainstream media. ?

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You're probably right. I would agree that Meghan is unlikely to attend the White Garden memorial for Diana. Meghan will undoubtedly not be appearing at any official or semi-official public events with Harry until after an engagement announcement.

Most likely, Meghan will be at the Invictus games but will probably not be strictly at Harry's side at that event. I am also thinking an engagement might not be announced until early December after season 7 of Suits wraps in November. It's also possible H&M will continue to take things slowly, and not announce anything until early next year, perhaps around Valentine's Day. :rose2:

I'm also thinking they may wish to have all the wedding plans and logistics sorted out and fully arranged before announcing an engagement (with a wedding date closely following) in order to limit the public and paps/tabloid-driven feeding frenzy in the lead-up to their royal wedding. :britflag: :usaflag: :heart2:

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I'm personally hoping (but do not expect) that Meghan will take part in a practice wheelchair rugby game against Harry the way Zara and Mike did in 2014. It'd be fun to see if Harry and Meghan are as competitive as William & Kate and Zara & Mike.
 
I hope everyone knows that Harry and Meghan don't have to be officially engaged to attend official events and non-official engagements together. It's down to the couple's liking.



Do you have any evidence to support that?

Any sign of Camilla, Kate, or Sophie attending official engagements prior to the wedding? Or Cressida or Chelsy?

I'm talking something formal, public to semi-public, and with CC recognition here.
 
Do you have any evidence to support that?

Any sign of Camilla, Kate, or Sophie attending official engagements prior to the wedding? Or Cressida or Chelsy?

I'm talking something formal, public to semi-public, and with CC recognition here.

I know of one event for Catherine and that was William's initial Garter Ceremony but NO CC recognition.

In fact CC did not mention Catherine for the 4 events she did with William when engaged and prior to wedding.
 
Do you have any evidence to support that?

Any sign of Camilla, Kate, or Sophie attending official engagements prior to the wedding? Or Cressida or Chelsy?

I'm talking something formal, public to semi-public, and with CC recognition here.

Yes, both Sophie and Camilla attended official engagements with Edward and Charles before their engagements and marriages. People often forget the stuff that happened in the 90's and early 2000's.

Its pretty much down to the couple own preferences.

No, I don't think Meghan will be there tomorrow, but there's nothing really stopping her and Harry to appear together at some functions. It's just down to whether they choose to attend some things together.
 
I for one, am so happy for the fact that Prince Harry is no longer melancholy in love and in life. He's a sweet guy who has matured quite wonderfully before our eyes. And he's met a gorgeous, fun-spirited, classy, stylish and down-to-earth, love-giving and lively-spirited young lady to share his life with. May they live long and prosper! :heartflower:

May they also continue taking their time and enjoying their privacy. I'm definitely curious and I'd like to know more, and I wish them well, but I'm not interested in devouring them whole.

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I've noticed that [particularly] American posters here are positively 'frothing at the mouth' at the prospect of Harry marrying Meghan, whereas the British posters seem markedly less excited ?
Personally i'm ambivalent , it being Harry's [and Meghan's] choice not mine, but nowhere [beyond the papers or internet] do I detect any interest at all [I work in a busy London office where much talking is done,] and i've never heard the relationship mentioned [even in passing].
 
I've noticed that [particularly] American posters here are positively 'frothing at the mouth' at the prospect of Harry marrying Meghan, whereas the British posters seem markedly less excited ?
Personally i'm ambivalent , it being Harry's [and Meghan's] choice not mine, but nowhere [beyond the papers or internet] do I detect any interest at all [I work in a busy London office where much talking is done,] and i've never heard the relationship mentioned [even in passing].

The same here in America. It all changes when there's some official news though. That's when you can't stop hearing about them.

It's a bit embarrassing for many to even bring up the royals. Movie and music stars are talked about more.
 
Meghan is not publicly engaged to Harry, and she certainly will not be accompanying Harry at this kind of event in honor of his mother (with Diana's former charities represented). When the time is right (after an engagement announcement), Meghan and Harry will appear side-by-side at an appropriate public event (likely it will not be a very high-profile formal event that initiates such a debut).

It is up to Harry and Meghan regarding how they strategize appearing in public together @Dman. But I also feel that Harry is going to be listening to advice from mentors and royal staffers regarding a smooth roll-out strategy re an engagement announcement and subsequent official public appearances with Meghan.

Above all, Harry has shown that he's going to be protective of Meghan in order to ensure she is not subjected to the OTT Diana-like hounding by the media that his mother endured. H&M will continue to pull back and protect their privacy at the slightest overstepping of boundaries by tabloid/paps and by mainstream media. ?

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While I do not expect Meghan to join Harry, I would not completely rule it out either. It is a possibility given that both Catherine and Chelsy showed up at the Diana memorial event (concert) 10 years ago (as girlfriends; not fiancées).

However, given the frenzy that most likely would result of such an appearance and the way they have gone about their relationship so far, they most likely have decided against it - as you pointed out in the subsequent paragraphs.
 
The same here in America. It all changes when there's some official news though. That's when you can't stop hearing about them.

It's a bit embarrassing for many to even bring up the royals. Movie and music stars are talked about more.

Here in England (or at least in my particular neck of the woods), it's usually the older generations who aren't afraid of sharing their interest in the RF; however I'm a student and my friends and I do talk about the RF from time to time, but that's usually only when they've been in the news. However, I was quite pleasantly surprised when one of my friends openly expressed their love for the Romanovs - I think it just depends on whether or not the individual thinks royalty is embarrassing to discuss or not.
But generally though; people over here pay more attention to celebrities and TV personalities too.
 
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I've noticed that [particularly] American posters here are positively 'frothing at the mouth' at the prospect of Harry marrying Meghan, whereas the British posters seem markedly less excited ?
Personally i'm ambivalent , it being Harry's [and Meghan's] choice not mine, but nowhere [beyond the papers or internet] do I detect any interest at all [I work in a busy London office where much talking is done,] and i've never heard the relationship mentioned [even in passing].

One of our posters who is frequently in the U.K. hears Royal gossip and harsh criticism wherever he/she goes. Maybe you work in a very polite and businesslike office!
 
:previous: I've never heard anyone talk about Harry and Meghan, Diana, Charles or Camilla (and her being Queen consort or not) if I don't ask them first. And my feeling is that Harry (mostly because he has never been criticised by the media in recent years) is generally liked by those who care.

But friends and family members of mine (as I wrote in the general news thread in June) reacted with anger when I asked them about the don't ''wants to be King or Queen'' interview and that without even having read it.
 
Any sign of Camilla, Kate, or Sophie attending official engagements prior to the wedding?

Sophie attended the decommissioning of the Britannia before she and Edward were even engaged, as I recall.

I think Harry and Meghan make a great couple, but I think it would be a good idea to be seen in public at perhaps a semi-official event so she can see what it would be like; she's not been brought up in Britain and perhaps needs to know about potentially being in the British Royal Family. JMO.
 
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I think it so cute they were using their phones to 'talk' to each other....very smart!

I think the next chance we have of seeing them together is at the Invictus games...very very unlikely she will be there tomorrow (well today in UK time).


LaRae
 
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Here's the latest in the media, repetitious mostly of the Lainey Gossip report:

https://www.yahoo.com/style/meghan-markle-prince-harry-london-215004429.html

https://es.vida-estilo.yahoo.com/prince-harry-meghan-markle-spotted-151835605.html

An E-news report quotes a source saying that Harry and Meghan will be visiting Birkhall and perhaps Balmoral before she departs for Toronto. Apparently, Meghan was invited to a Balmoral hunting party last September where she met Prince Charles for the first time. So Scottish sojourns must be traditional this time of year for the royals.

Last October, Prince Harry reportedly took Meghan on a trip to the Cotswolds prior to news of their dating relationship breaking wide open.
 
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I just saw something about upcoming events ...seems like William and Kate will be going out of the country for a tour...and Harry is going to be traveling as well if I read it right...starting in Sept I believe....sounds like a busy couple months ahead.

So perhaps any relaxed and casual 'off time' will be done now as opposed to later...so the trip to Brikhall/Balmoral would be going on now if it happens.



LaRae
 
I just came across the news (which was probably discussed on TRF in Queen Elizabeth section) that earlier this summer the Queen hired the first black equerry (of Ghanian descent) as her personal assistant and security officer. Major Nana Kofi Twumasi-Ankrah.

I only mention that news here in order to point out that perhaps with the fact of Prince Harry dating and likely soon marrying an American of 'mixed' heritage, perhaps the older royals are more sensitive to solidly demonstrating in other ways (besides approving H&M's relationship) that the royal family is inclusive.

Major Twumasi-Ankrah of the Household Cavalry, is a 48-year-old Afghanistan veteran who studied at the Royal Military Academy. Among other distinguished duties, he served as an escort commander at the royal wedding of William & Kate in 2011.

Queen appoints first black equerry Major Nana Kofi Twumasi-Ankrah | Life | Life & Style | Express.co.uk
 
:previous: Great post!

1. Yes, that has been disgussed in the ''The Royal Household'' thread.

2. The Queen has in fact talked about different religions and heritages in many of her speeches through the years, so I don't think that has anything to do with Meghan

3. He is not her security officer, he is her equerry, and HM (acording to the Times) is understood to have personally selected Twumasi-Ankrah from several candidates. His duties will include close attendance to the Queen in public, personally assisting her with official engagements and welcoming guests to royal residences etc. He replaced Wing Commander Sam Fletcher in July.

4. And I don't think that the royal family needs to be demonstrating that they are inclusive, because this 2017, and most people in their right mind would not have a problem with Meghan being from mixed heritage.
 
...He is not her security officer, he is her equerry, and HM (according to the Times) is understood to have personally selected Twumasi-Ankrah from several candidates... And I don't think that the royal family needs to be demonstrating that they are inclusive, because this 2017, and most people in their right mind would not have a problem with Meghan being from mixed heritage.

Well, 'security guard' is likely not the appropriate official designation, but I did get it from the article I linked: "The position of equerry was traditionally meant for looking after the cavalry's horses, but in modern times, it's more of an assistant/security guard for the queen, required to be... at the queen's side at nearly all times."

I will take any further discussion re the new equerry to the appropriate thread.

Meanwhile, please note that all articles reporting on the recent appointment referenced the selection as part of 'moving forward' and leaving any hint of 'discrimination in the past.'

Sadly, Prince Harry's plea to the press last November to stop 'harassing' his girlfriend and writing 'insensitive' articles would not have been necessary if "most people in their right mind [don't] have a problem with Meghan's background."

I bring this all up as a positive because I feel that the Meghan and Harry romance is fortuitously an opportunity for healing in so many ways and on so many levels for the British royal family. A healing from the pain of the past: Diana's death; Charles & Diana marriage difficulties and breakup; issues of divorce preventing royals from marrying who they love and ending up tragically heartbroken; H&M's union will be in many respects a symbol of inclusiveness by one of the most high profile families in the world.

You don't have to see it the way I do. But I think my perspective has some resonance.
 
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I've noticed that [particularly] American posters here are positively 'frothing at the mouth' at the prospect of Harry marrying Meghan, whereas the British posters seem markedly less excited ?
Personally i'm ambivalent , it being Harry's [and Meghan's] choice not mine, but nowhere [beyond the papers or internet] do I detect any interest at all [I work in a busy London office where much talking is done,] and i've never heard the relationship mentioned [even in passing].

When they are engaged then married, things will get back to normal to not caring as much in the US. It's exciting to me that she is American and half black at that. That is significant. A few Brits told me that Harry doing all that is happening now was unlikely (prior to him meeting and now dating Meghan). And now it's all happening.
 
I've yet to see anyone foaming at the mouth about it. Of course there is a lot of interest from the Americans here, (I assure you the majority of Americans haven't a clue about Meghan and Harry nor do they care about their relationships), it's not like you hear every day about a member of the BRF dating an American.

Frankly I was skeptical at first however as they have gone along I have come to like them as a couple. If they marry it will be really neat to see how their life together unfolds.


LaRae
 
Right, not a lot of people are really following the romance in the U.S., nor even know who Meghan is, unless they happen to watch Suits or follow a lot of actors/celebrities.

I've mentioned the relationship to members of my family, and they were clueless, but have since looked up Meghan so are now aware. Everyone of course, knows who Harry is, because they remember his mother, Diana. She's known throughout the world.

It's of passing interest to most people who don't closely follow the royals. The acting and fashion industries have some fascination because persons in those fields are familiar with Meghan or have met Meghan (and some actors aside from the Suits cast have worked with her previously, or may have known her when she was married to Engelson, who is a director with notable credentials in Hollywood).

The celebrity press and tabloids are of course more than passing interested because of the clickbait and gossip value. When an engagement is announced, more people will find out and become intrigued, and the interest will ratchet up in the lead-up to the royal wedding. But things will as a matter of course settle down again.

In any case, Harry and Meghan are clearly not interested in being a 'hot' news item. They are purposely shying away from press overexposure, which unfortunately does not keep most of the tabloids from making up non-stories picked up by other news outlets.

As usual, there are some 'crazies foaming at the mouth' and livid with jealousy on Internet sites and on the comment sections of some online reports. And a number of royal commenters/'reporters' have had rather negative and/or snobby things to say, particularly in the beginning. Such as constantly referencing the relationship as 'a fling,' etc.
 
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I've yet to see anyone foaming at the mouth about it. Of course there is a lot of interest from the Americans here, (I assure you the majority of Americans haven't a clue about Meghan and Harry nor do they care about their relationships), it's not like you hear every day about a member of the BRF dating an American.

Frankly I was skeptical at first however as they have gone along I have come to like them as a couple. If they marry it will be really neat to see how their life together unfolds.


LaRae

Why do some Brits think Americans "froth at the mouth" about Royalty, much less Harry and Meghan??!:lol:

I can assure anyone who believes this that you are wildly off the mark. Only the handful of Americans on online Royal boards even know or care who Harry dates.

We comprise only a very, very tiny fraction of the population I assure you!:cool:
 
MAYBE .01 percent of the population...and that might be over estimated! LOL

In my circle of friends/family in real life...I am the only person who cares anything about any royal families. 1 or 2 of them actually even know the names of the major figures ..and they won't even know all the main members of BRF royal family.

On my online groups (not on FB) I know of 1 other American who knows....on FB a few more but they are Europeans.


LaRae
 
Hoping for some little exciting months ahead!!!!
 
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