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Old 11-26-2017, 12:57 PM
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Downing Street denies the Prime Minister was ready for an announcement

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The bookmaker Ladbrokes stopped taking bets on the engagement last week and Sunday saw press reports that Theresa May had “cleared her diary” on Thursday in expectation of an announcement. This was emphatically denied by Downing Street, which pointed out that less than 24 hours after the budget, the prime minister had other priorities, such as spending half a day in Leeds with the chancellor, Philip Hammond, to promote the government’s house-building policies.
https://amp.theguardian.com/uk-news/...at-fever-pitch
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Old 11-26-2017, 01:36 PM
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IMO all this is based on the fact Meghan moved to the UK, we don't even know if that is true for sure. I don't see how anyone would move to a new country and then in a few days announce their engagement to a Prince. Even Harry and Meghan would most likely want to give themselves some time to live together see how they get on being together 'full time' rather than jetting back and forth. Likewise it will give Meghan time to get to know the UK better, her possible future in laws better and find her feet.

Personally I'd say we'll be lucky to have an engagement before the summer.
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Old 11-26-2017, 01:54 PM
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Although some of the discussion has been contentious, to say the least, I've actually found them to be interesting and informative. Thank you to the folks that took the time to point out different and various aspects of how a person's ancestral makeup can be determined and classified and the hows and the whys of it. Definitely a better discussion that some of our royal reporters seem to be having on social media these days.

It shows me that when it comes to Harry and Meghan, we leave absolutely no stone unturned or looked at and thoroughly examined. That's what makes this place the best and favorite place for me to be as we wait and watch for the much anticipated engagement announcement.

I am more and more inclining to believe that after a hectic filming session and probably an emotional one for Meghan after being a part of something for seven years, then jumping right in and possibly (we're not absolutely positive) moving lock, stock and barrel to the UK, she probably very much welcomed and needed some down time. After an intensive, long distance relationship back and forth over the past year (at least), who would blame Harry and Meghan for just going off somewhere on their own, to just be. Be together. Be one. Be the couple that they want to be. To me, that's a good start towards a permanent partnership in marriage.

Once the announcement is made that they're engaged, their time will no longer be their own and everyone and their grandmothers will want a piece of them for themselves. Can we really blame Harry and Meghan for wanting to hold and savor what has become the most important thing in their lives right now? I sure don't.

I'm ready for a royal wedding but that doesn't mean that they are quite ready for it all yet.
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Old 11-26-2017, 01:55 PM
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Why do anyone think the PM needs to clear her diary for an announcement? From what I remember, PM Cameron didn’t clear his diary for the Cambridge’s announcement. He made his statements and got on with his business of the day.

It takes a good minute to arrange an engagement announcement. The wardrobe, photographer, Palace Press team media arrangement, and the broadcast of the televised interview.

Let the couple and Palace do what they have to do to get all this going.
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Old 11-26-2017, 02:03 PM
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Why do anyone think the PM needs to clear her diary for an announcement? From what I remember, PM Cameron didn’t clear his diary for the Cambridge’s announcement. He made his statements and got on with his business of the day.

It takes a good minute to arrange an engagement announcement. The wardrobe, photographer, Palace Press team media arrangement, and the broadcast of the televised interview.

Let the couple and Palace do what they have to do to get all this going.
Not to mention people kept talking about meetings and announcements at Buckingham Palace, and no announcement about Harry would be coming from Buckingham Palace. The announcement about his engagement would actually come from Clarence House, because it is Prince Charles, as his father, who would be announcing it. Why would The Queen be there? There are just so many things that made no sense about those stories Thursday and Friday and over the weekend.
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Old 11-26-2017, 02:11 PM
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You are absolutely correct Alliec76. When we take a stroll down memory lane and read the official statement that was made on November 16, 2010 for William and Kate, we get a good idea of the wording. Just have to change the names of the bridal couple.

"The Prince of Wales is delighted to announce the engagement of Prince William to Miss Catherine Middleton," read a brief statement from Clarence House, Prince Charles' official residence. "The wedding will take place in the Spring or Summer of 2011, in London. Further details about the wedding day will be announced in due course."

U.K. Announces Engagement of Prince William to Kate Middleton - TIME

It will definitely be Charles making the official announcement.
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Old 11-26-2017, 02:29 PM
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Appreciate all the feedback and information. It's true: I didn't follow Meghan till she had been dating Prince Harry for awhile. Because of what seemed to be so many shared interests, I hoped this relationship would be the one that went the distance. And it seems like it is. A royal watcher mentioned in the Daily Mail a week or so ago he thought this wedding would be a "one off," very unique and special and unlike previous royal weddings. For that reason, it's fun to speculate on what will happen with the engagement, ring, wedding, where they'll eventually live,....etc. The one thing I want to emphasize b/c I think it's getting lost in my unintended but ignorant/uninformed comments is that I am VERY happy for Harry and Meghan and think this marriage is a true love match of kindred spirits. I remember the little boy following his mother's coffin, looking so dispirited and sad--and I just always hoped things would turn out well for him! I'm thrilled for both!

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Yeah, that's a good catch that Meghan going to salons and shopping has something to do with preparing for a big event sooner rather than later. The woman who was walking directly beside Meghan in the recent DF photos has been identified as Sarah Chapman, facialist and owner of the salon Meghan visited. Unless perhaps you are referencing a different woman in the background of the photos?

Based on some of your other comments, addressed by other posters, you seem to have come to following Meghan and Harry rather late. Or else, you haven't been reading up very much on Meghan. There is still plenty of information on her Instagram, articles about her and articles she's written, as well as many Youtube features, particularly her U.N. speech, her solo interview with Larry King in early 2016, her visit to Rwanda with One World Vision, lots of fashion and beauty clips, and Suits-related interviews and promos, etc.

I've read about what you are saying re Diana's ring and the Cartier watch, and the two brothers' agreement that whoever married first would give their fiancee the ring. I recently read another article which mentioned that Harry has given Meghan the Cartier watch that belonged to his mother (and the Cartier brand and model is one of Meghan's favorites).

It's really hard keeping up with the posts in here now. I can only imagine what it will be like when the engagement day arrives. Forget about the wedding. Websites will crash. Hearts will flutter. Eyes will tear up.

We're almost at page 200, @M_Payton!
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Old 11-26-2017, 02:29 PM
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^^ You are very welcome @maryshawn. And thanks for your honesty and genuine openness. There is nothing wrong with coming to the Meghan/Harry conversation only recently. You should have a fun and enlightening time perusing Meghan's Instagram that's still available, and looking at all the informative Youtube videos about her (interviews, promotional features), while hopefully filtering out the ridiculous tabloid chaff. I hope all people of goodwill can soon share in a most happy and resoundingly lovely landmark marriage celebration that again to me portends of all good things: love, blessings, redemption, family togetherness, and positive hopes for the future!

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I am more and more inclining to believe that after a hectic filming session and probably an emotional one for Meghan after being a part of something for seven years, then jumping right in and possibly (we're not absolutely positive) moving lock, stock and barrel to the UK, she probably very much welcomed and needed some down time. After an intensive, long distance relationship back and forth over the past year (at least), who would blame Harry and Meghan for just going off somewhere on their own, to just be. Be together. Be one. Be the couple that they want to be. To me, that's a good start towards a permanent partnership in marriage.

Once the announcement is made that they're engaged, their time will no longer be their own and everyone and their grandmothers will want a piece of them for themselves. Can we really blame Harry and Meghan for wanting to hold and savor what has become the most important thing in their lives right now? I sure don't.

I'm ready for a royal wedding but that doesn't mean that they are quite ready for it all yet.
Exactly, and thank you for articulating your thoughts so beautifully, as usual.
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Old 11-26-2017, 02:39 PM
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You are absolutely correct Alliec76. When we take a stroll down memory lane and read the official statement that was made on November 16, 2010 for William and Kate, we get a good idea of the wording. Just have to change the names of the bridal couple.

"The Prince of Wales is delighted to announce the engagement of Prince William to Miss Catherine Middleton," read a brief statement from Clarence House, Prince Charles' official residence. "The wedding will take place in the Spring or Summer of 2011, in London. Further details about the wedding day will be announced in due course."

U.K. Announces Engagement of Prince William to Kate Middleton - TIME

It will definitely be Charles making the official announcement.

One of those lovely old wedding customs continued.

Though I believe traditionally it was the bride's family who would make the announcement not the groom's. But then again, because custom usually was that the bride's family hosted and paid for set wedding. Normally why the wedding by custom was held at the bride's home church.

Considering the royal wedding will be paid for primarily by the RF, it is Charles who can be considered 'hosting' though his parents will pay as well.

Other then the media call, I am sure Charles' staff is enough of a well oiled machine, that a lot of the behind the scenes work will be done without leak.
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Old 11-26-2017, 02:53 PM
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Another thing to keep in mind. When that announcement came from Charles and Clarence House, Charles was actually doing an engagement somewhere and when asked how he felt about the engagment, that's when he quipped "they've been practicing long enough".

Shows that things are done and prepared ahead of time to be at the ready for when needed.
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Old 11-26-2017, 02:53 PM
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Downing Street denies the Prime Minister was ready for an announcement


https://amp.theguardian.com/uk-news/...at-fever-pitch
To be fair, the denial is about PM clearing her schedule. Camilla Tominey never said that in her original reporting, that was escalated by other sources later. Camilla reported a statement was being drafted on Theresa May’s behalf. Hardly need to clear her schedule for it.
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Old 11-26-2017, 03:00 PM
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Another thing to keep in mind. When that announcement came from Charles and Clarence House, Charles was actually doing an engagement somewhere and when asked how he felt about the engagment, that's when he quipped "they've been practicing long enough".

Shows that things are done and prepared ahead of time to be at the ready for when needed.
Indeed. The only one whose schedule needs to be clear for the announcement is the couple. Well and a photographer, if doing engagement shoot same day. Media will happily clear schedule for it.

I love the comment from Prince Charles. Shows his good natured humor.
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Old 11-26-2017, 03:09 PM
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This thread has been cleaned up with the removal of a number of posts that were off-topic, speculative,
argumentative, posts that add nothing meaningful to the discussion and subsequent responses.

Please private message other members if you wish to share details of your social media interests.

If you wish to debate with another member, please have the courtesy (towards each other and other members) of being respectful towards one another if you disagree.

Let's try to avoid debating what the media/reporters are saying or how they are saying it as it is peripharel to the topic of the thread.

Finally, let's get a sense of proportion and remember that IF an engagement is announced, it will be a complete surprise to everyone including the media - there is no way of telling if and when such an announcement will be made.
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Old 11-26-2017, 10:48 PM
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I just want to wade into the waters here about one thing: no matter the historical construct of race (and it is indeed a social construct) or the fact that we are all "one race", the present reality is that racism impacts the daily realities of people of color in very painful and visceral ways. Meghan, as a biracial black woman, has talked passionately about how racism has impacted her and her family. Her partner, Harry, had to release a statement condemning the racist coverage of Meghan, and comments all over the internet (and some I even heard in person while in the UK recently) show that her race will be an issue for a not insignificant amount of people no matter how much they protest that fact. So much of the "something isn't right about her" or the ridiculous double standards or critiques of her IMO come down to the unconscience racism that permeates both the United States and the UK.

As a black/biracial woman myself, it is monumental that a woman of color will be joining the BRF, the most visible representation of the UK to the world and one of the most prominent family's in the world. Race is a big deal; the US is arguably built on a racial democracy and the UK is still haunted by its colonial past and racial history as well. Meghan will face a triple slam of being foreign, a person of color and an older outspoken woman in a time when nationalism and anti-foreign/anti-POC sentiment is high in the West.

To ignore this aspect of her relationship and position, if she were to be married into the BRF, does a disservice to her own experiences and the experiences of people of color overall. We have come a long way, but there is still massive progress to be made. I see Meghan possibly joining The Firm as a positive move, the BRF representing the burgeoning diversity of the nation at long last.

Now, all of this engagement speculation is so all over the place, its dizzying. I personally think they are already engaged, but are just getting some ducks in order. I do not for one second believe Tominey's reporting about an engagement postponement. Why would KP do that? It only lengthens the media frenzy, plus it never made sense to announce it on Thanksgiving given Meghan's nation of origin and also the fact that the BRF still thrives on foreign media coverage as much as the UK and the US is a massive media market so why announce on a day that most outlets would be slow to respond?? Further, there is no way they would have everything lined up to go and then waste broadcaster time and money by pulling it at the last minute.

I hope Meghan is getting the proper time she needs to settle in a take a very deep breath. I expect that this past year has been quite the experience for her. Even though she is an actress, she never had this much scrutiny and attention and it would be discombobulating for anyone! I hope Harry is as a supportive a partner as I perceive him to be!
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Old 11-26-2017, 11:00 PM
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Personally I am now leaning toward them keeping a very low profile the rest of the year. Taking a trip after Christmas (perhaps Norway again) and then coming back and making an announcement after the first of the year.

Still gives them months to plan out a summer wedding.

Of course they could announce tomorrow too. We aren't gonna know till we know.


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Old 11-26-2017, 11:16 PM
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Personally I am now leaning toward them keeping a very low profile the rest of the year. Taking a trip after Christmas (perhaps Norway again) and then coming back and making an announcement after the first of the year.

Still gives them months to plan out a summer wedding.

Of course they could announce tomorrow too. We aren't gonna know till we know.


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I agree with you.

I do think they're already engaged, though, and the visa application has been a fiancé one.
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Old 11-26-2017, 11:17 PM
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I am still on the, he hasn't proposed yet. I have never bought in to the he proposed in Africa and they have been hiding it for months thing. I could be wrong and about to be proven wrong on Tuesday by all reports, who knows.

I just always had the feeling they weren't just waiting until she was in the UK to make the announcement. But waiting till she was there, to take the next step. I don't see them proposing and living apart, not telling everyone. I still think a romantic proposal on a vacation on the anniversary of their first.

Well I will eat my words if wrong and we get announcement on Tuesday.
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Old 11-26-2017, 11:21 PM
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My wishes for this relationship/wedding:
-January engagement announcement (it’s a slow royal month)
-May/June wedding (I hate long royal engagements)
-diamond engagement ring, tiara not worn in decades
-wedding at Windsor (I’d love Scotland, but doubt it would happen)
-baby in 2019

But, realistically, I don’t care about the details as long as we get a televised ceremony and a couple of kids down the road. It’s basically what I wish with every royal wedding.
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Old 11-26-2017, 11:25 PM
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I agree with you.

I do think they're already engaged, though, and the visa application has been a fiancé one.

I lean toward that they have an understanding (like W&K did) that they will marry within a certain time frame. I am not sure that he has formally proposed. I think if he hasn't he will soon.

I'm actually surprised the details of her visa (maybe she doesn't have one yet..she doesn't have to get one till she's been in the country X days IIRC) haven't been leaked.


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