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Old 11-25-2017, 07:26 PM
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Agreed. I'm not sure how much stock I put in this. I highly doubt the Royal press offices got "spooked". And I really don't see them planning to announce on Thursday. I know, I know, nobody in the UK cares about Thanksgiving, or anything else American, but Meghan is still American at this moment and it would have just looked odd. And I believe the couple have a say on when they make the announcement, and I doubt Meghan would have chosen that day, if she did have a say. (Yes, I know she's marrying into the British Royal Family and will eventually become a British Citizen, but let's not try and completely erase who she is. She's 36, not 19.)

My opinion is there was never anything planned for Thursday or Friday, but it is coming. I'd say come Monday, you can start the clock.
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Old 11-25-2017, 07:29 PM
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Great summation, MaiaMia!

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I completely agree with you re your post. Obviously, we are all human and humans have failings. The question as you point out, is how individuals are able to deal with what happens in their lives, good and bad. Just as important is what kind of start we each get growing up. From all accounts, Meghan had an excellent start because she was nurtured and given the wings to fly by both of her parents. Their divorce did not harshly impact Meghan's personality development and stability growing up, because her parents remained friendly and on the same page regarding raising her and being devoted to her. In response to comments by some other posters: That scenario is completely unlike what happened to Lady Diana when her parents divorced.

As far as Meghan's first marriage, here's my take based on what's available that we do know: Meghan was with her former husband, Trevor Engelson for 7 years prior to their marriage in 2011. In addition, she had landed the role in Suits after an audition right around the time of her marriage. Meghan initially met Engelson in her early twenties. Surely she must have been taken with him and his burgeoning success as a film director. Engelson is five years older than Meghan. I think very often it can make something of a difference re how long the partnership will last being in your early twenties and dating a guy who is five years older with some experience and budding stature in the world of Hollywood.

Engelson and Meghan must have met sometime around 2004 when she was 22 or 23 and he was 27 or 28. Meghan played a cameo role as a bartender in Engelson's film, Remember Me circa 2009-10, which starred Robert Pattinson. That could have been Engelson's ticket to even bigger projects, but it doesn't seem as if he was able to seque that earlier opportunity into greater success in Hollywood. Meanwhile, on the relationship front after 7 years, some couples are so used to being together they may decide to take the next logical step of marriage, when maybe their relationship has already run its course. Perhaps both parties can become so comfortable with a 7-year relationship that it's difficult to cut the cord.

Obviously, it didn't help their newly minted marriage when Meghan had to relocate to Toronto for filming of the Suits pilot, immediately after they wed. In the television industry, there's no guarantee that a pilot will be picked up, much less that it will become a steadily increasing success after being picked up. The ingredients for the delectable series, Suits, melded well together, thus feeding and nurturing the careers of all involved from the beginning.

Toronto is a cosmopolitan city, very different from L.A. It's also part of the British commonwealth. Meghan slowly began making new friends and gaining fame locally. Fairly soon, she became tight with stylist, Jessica Mulroney, the daughter-in-law of the former Prime Minister, Brian Mulroney. She eventually also became friendly with current Prime Minister, Justin Trudeau, and his wife, Sophie. And that's just the tip of the iceberg. Meghan began making a name for herself in fashion, beauty, and entertainment in Hollywood, Toronto, Chicago, and in charitable/ cultural circles in Toronto, New York, and beyond.

So after two years of trying to keep her marriage with Engelson together, Meghan and Engelson called it quits in 2013 amid unfounded rumors that she was seeing someone else in Toronto. Actually, she was hanging out with a lot of interesting people in Toronto, including her castmates, local sports stars, designer friends and beauty specialists in Toronto, New York, Chicago, and Miami. She also had friends based in London and in Hollywood where her Suits success was garnering her increasing buzz. She may have met Markus Anderson of Soho House around 2013 or 2014. And during 2014 to 2015, her passion project, The Tig, began flourishing and adding to her success, to her circle of influential movers and shakers, and to her ever growing career opportunities. Also, most importantly for Meghan, she had achieved prominence and developed a platform from which she could effectively give back to others.

Therefore, even before moving to Toronto, it seems likely that Meghan had already nearly outgrown her relationship with Engelson, at the very start of their marriage. After having the world open up for her in new and exciting ways in Toronto, it's no wonder that Meghan's long distance marriage (which was probably hanging by a thread for two years) broke up. Her life and career possibilities quite frankly grew beyond Engelson's. To boot even now, Engelson finds himself trying to hustle up new projects while teaching and networking. Apparently, he has also been doing some work in television.

With Meghan's unexpected worldwide fame ratcheted up by suddenly being connected with British royalty, Engelson is attempting to cash in on their former relationship, which maybe says something about his character. He was obviously not the 'keeper' kind of guy. Not for the Meghan whose life changed and expanded into limitless possibilities soon after she landed the 'Rachel Zane' role in Suits, and the show's success took off like a rocket. It's not the 'success' that made Meghan. It's Meghan who took the opportunities that came her way and made her own success, and then some.
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Old 11-25-2017, 07:34 PM
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These latest articles make no sense!

There's no way Meghan who is American would announce an engagement on Thanksgiving day. It's a big national holiday & most Americans are busy spending time with their families. Also most American journalists are given the time off, so it would be difficult for them to cover the story effectively.

Furthermore a British prime minister who has a lot on their plate would not clear their schedule to simply congratulate the 5th in line to the throne on his engagement.

The journalists, even the seasoned ones, clearly don't have a clue. They are just writing anything now simply for clicks.
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Old 11-25-2017, 07:35 PM
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Keep calm and let the news come folks.
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Old 11-25-2017, 07:41 PM
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It's a non-issue, brought up by malcontents imo. No one sensible would make an issue of a man and woman cohabiting before marriage at this point. In fact, not to cohabit would raise more questions methinks. And where they do that cohabiting is no one's business really. Harry's digs are part of his 'pay' being royal. I don't think there is any condition, implied or otherwise, stating that he cannot have 'overnight guests of the opposite sex unrelated to him' for a specified period of time. That sounds gruesomely archaic to me.
Please be a little more careful/generous when you describe people with a different opinion. I consider myself a rather sensible person but still take issue with cohabitation (and I wouldn't be surprised if queen Elizabeth agreed with me; king Willem-Alexander does and I am quite confident that queen Sophia and king Filip and queen Mathilde share that opinion as well to name a few royals). IMO if you are sure that you want to spend the rest of your life with someone, you better get married and if you are not sure yet and want to keep the option open to leave, you are not ready for living together either. (Not trying to start a discussion about this topic but couldn't let it pass either, so thought a short explanation was in order)

I don't expect Harry and Meghan (or anyone else, unless they express the same beliefs) to adhere to my expectation (Meghan seems to have (had) a different view on marriage or they would have prioritized their marriage over their careers in her first marriage - and many other royals including within the BRF have shown to have no issue with cohabitation, so I agree that there is no impediment for them to do so) but I would like respect for this (minority?) view. Thanks in advance
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Old 11-25-2017, 08:01 PM
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if the RPO story is true, and no one seems to feel it isn't, or have not said so, my guess is she is in the UK on the vaunted fiancee visa. The press knows that and are tipping the game a bit (making an assumption about the timing of an announcement) but it may not mean an announcement is coming. Yes, she is engaged but they refrain from an announcement until it suits them, not so? I had this question earlier, in fact, wondering if a private royal engagement would be possible initially, and maybe it is, which could mean they are indeed engaged just not making a public announcement (yet).
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Old 11-25-2017, 08:07 PM
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What I've noticed too is that no one, and I mean absolutely *no one* has spotted either Harry or Meghan anywhere. Not since the shopping expedition. I'm beginning to think that they've both flown the coop to somewhere quiet to just be together before tackling all the things they'll need to for a wedding.
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Old 11-25-2017, 08:11 PM
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KP will need to get a grip on the situation. It is turning into a farce when seasoned journalists are arguing over facts, and sources from the palace & Downing Street contradicting each other.

If an engagement is imminent then the palace needs to announce it pronto to stop the ridiculous reporting. And if there isn't going to be one soon then they should find a way to kill the story.

Royal engagements should be run like a tight ship, but the last few days just reeks of incompetence.
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Old 11-25-2017, 08:13 PM
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BTW if the RPO story is true, and no one seems to feel it isn't, or have not said so, my guess is she is in the UK on the vaunted fiancee visa. The press knows that and are tipping the game a bit (making an assumption about the timing of an announcement) but it may not mean an announcement is coming. Yes, she is engaged but they refrain from an announcement until it suits them, not so? I had this question earlier, in fact, wondering if a private royal engagement would be possible initially, and maybe it is, which could mean they are indeed engaged just not making a public announcement (yet).
Kate didn't get her RPO until the engagement was officially announced. She and William were privately engaged for a short while before it was announced. In fact the announcement was delayed from the date originally planned when Kate's grandfather died.

I do think they are engaged and have been. I think the RPOs are being planned for and that leaked, causing the Express article.

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KP will need to get a grip on the situation. It is turning into a farce when seasoned journalists are arguing over facts, and sources from the palace & Downing Street contradicting each other.

If an engagement is imminent then the palace needs to announce it pronto to stop the ridiculous reporting. And if there isn't going to be one soon then they should find a way to kill the story.

Royal engagements should be run like a tight ship, but the last few days just reeks of incompetence.
I fully agree with your second paragraph, but the craziness is reporters all trying to get the scoop. I'm sure they are being pressured by their editors.

If there isn't going to be an engagement announcement for months yet (not that I think that is the case) it would be sensible to get the word out to tamp down the rumors. Much like when KP cooled the speculation about Pippa's wedding. Some people complained, but it sure did cool off some of the craziness. The wedding and George & Charlotte's participation was confirmed and helped eliminate some of the wild speculation.
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Old 11-25-2017, 08:18 PM
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I don’t think it’s as much as them acting like he’s 3rd as that there is nothing interesting to write about 3rd, 4th, and Cambridge #3 yet.
I don't think it's as simple as that. Either way, I think it's safe to say that he is garnering more press than one would normally expect for someone who is no longer in the direct line.
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Old 11-25-2017, 08:19 PM
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What I've noticed too is that no one, and I mean absolutely *no one* has spotted either Harry or Meghan anywhere. Not since the shopping expedition. I'm beginning to think that they've both flown the coop to somewhere quiet to just be together before tackling all the things they'll need to for a wedding.
Maybe they went somewhere with Meghan's mom for American Thanksgiving. They do seem pretty good at staying under the radar.
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Old 11-25-2017, 08:21 PM
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Kate didn't get her RPO until the engagement was officially announced. She and William were privately engaged for a short while before it was announced. In fact the announcement was delayed from the date originally planned when Kate's grandfather died.

I do think they are engaged and have been. I think the RPOs are being planned for and that leaked, causing the Express article.
Catherine wasn’t seen out and about before her announcement came. I think once the ring is on the finger, the royal fiancée gets her security. Although we really don’t see it much until the engagement is officially announced. Meghan was spotted. Also, with the recent inspired terror attacks, this all makes sense.
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Old 11-25-2017, 08:22 PM
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Camilla’s full attention article is now available online. Apparently Meghan had RPO with her when she was photographed on Tuesday. How did DF miss that?

Playing the devil’s advocate here. Even if she did have a guard with her, it could be paid by Harry personally.

https://www.express.co.uk/news/royal...Kate-Middleton
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Old 11-25-2017, 08:23 PM
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I still don't believe the engagement will be announced next week like many are speculating on Twitter.

The couple are probably on holiday somewhere warm slightly oblivious to what is happening back home.
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Old 11-25-2017, 08:25 PM
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KP will need to get a grip on the situation. It is turning into a farce when seasoned journalists are arguing over facts, and sources from the palace & Downing Street contradicting each other.

If an engagement is imminent then the palace needs to announce it pronto to stop the ridiculous reporting. And if there isn't going to be one soon then they should find a way to kill the story.

Royal engagements should be run like a tight ship, but the last few days just reeks of incompetence.
Eh. I don't think this is really much different than what we saw with Will and Kate or Charles and Diana. The only major difference I see is how big of a role social media now plays in royal life and reporting. It's a bigger deal now than even when Will and Kate announced their engagement.
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Old 11-25-2017, 08:30 PM
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It’s going to come guys. Just wait and see.

As I said before, palace officials have a way of letting the press know now they are the ones running this show. Not the other way around.
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Old 11-25-2017, 08:30 PM
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After reading the full article from a Sunday Express, I was right about the reason given coming from government sources rather than royal sources. Which means the reason could be an assumption on the source’s part. However, it doesn’t negate the part about Theresa May’s office drafting a congratulatory message upon announcement.

ETA: that last paragraph about Bogart and Guy’s passport is in the Sunday Express article. I meant no one else has reported it so far except Camilla.
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Old 11-25-2017, 08:34 PM
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Camilla’s full attention article is now available online. Apparently Meghan had RPO with her when she was photographed on Tuesday. How did DF miss that?

Playing the devil’s advocate here. Even if she did have a guard with her, it could be paid by Harry personally.

https://www.express.co.uk/news/royal...Kate-Middleton
Very true, they could still be private security, much like she had in Canada only now paid for by Harry or Charles until she is "official." I wouldn't be at all surprised.

If they are truly RPOs, an engagement announcement needs to be sooner rather than later to avoid unnecessary criticism.
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Has this link been posted? https://www.express.co.uk/news/royal...-told-revealed

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I'm going to bet that Meghan's visa is the fiancee visa, hence the RPO's. She needs them more than Kate did. Kate had a family and family home to protect her. It's also possible that she is getting the protection in some other way, not so? Like someone said, paid for by Harry, or even Meghan herself?

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The Queen attended a meeting of the entire Royal household as staff were informed the Prince and his girlfriend are planning a “non-traditional wedding”.

However, the Palace is still trying to keep a lid on the engagement as Harry and Meghan are not yet ready to announce their happy news publicly.

A Royal source told the Daily Star Online: “They are engaged but they are trying to sort a few things out now, like house hunting for a retreat and other things.

“It will be up to them to decide when to announce it as they want to do it their own way, which Her Majesty agrees with.”

The Daily Star reports that the announcement could be made at any moment - from as soon as next week to after Christmas.
This all sounds straight forward to me. Makes sense. Someone jumped the gun when news of the fiancee visa was leaked (my speculation) and the above steps the story back on course. I buy it.
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Old 11-25-2017, 08:47 PM
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With all this hype and speculation, one would think Harry was the heir or at least, still 3rd in line. The fact that he is soon to be 6th in line, yet garnering this kind of press really speaks to how popular he is and just how much interest there is in his wedding and this particular relationship, in general. There is both good and bad in that, as we're seeing right now.



To be fair, most of the main royal reporters weren't reporting anything about an announcement last week, including Camilla Tominey. She has been pretty lowkey. I don't really know what to make of her article. But there has to be more going on here...*some* truth to all this engagement talk. I don't think reporters are fabricating it all.
The public, and media, don't care about proximity to the throne. Proximity doesn't sell newspapers. There is only so much 'what kate wore' or the rare photo (mainly birthday) we get of their kids, can sell magazines.

The Yorks are even further from the throne then Harry yet they get attention. Why? Because the Daily fail can spin it and get people all riled up. Stories about their holidays and partying. Of course not covering actual work.

Harry is the good looking former bachelor prince. He is in the same place Andrew was. Andrew had already been displaced by nephews when he was getting married but there was still interest in him and his wedding. Because while his nephews may have been ahead of him, kids aren't that interesting.

In twenty years or so, when they are done college and the media can follow George and his siblings for dating stories and such, they aren't much interest. They are highly guarded and little information out. Until then the media needs things to write articles on. Prince Harry and his dating life are far more exciting then what George eats for his school lunch.
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