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Old 07-11-2020, 04:58 AM
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He has spoken about his mental health in regard to his mother's death but not constantly at all. When has Harry mentioned his mother recently apart from the Diana Awards?

William also speaks about Diana on occasions but neither do it continuously. And as for public perceptions for years the media rattled on about 'Diana's boys', linking them in the public mind with her memory constantly. Even now there are references to 'seeing Harry following her coffin'. Harry doesn't write those articles himself.

Having been in the process of trying to break her in 1997 in their usual way, the Press then elevated Diana to sainthood (I do believe she did one hell of a lot of good in her lifetime all the same) in order to divert the criticism from themselves at the time of her death. That was hardly the fault of either of the Princes.
At his leaving speech to Sentable. In his reported speech to that bank. During his interview in October.

William really doesn't talk about her and when she is mentioned, as in with Mary Berry at Christmas, he emphasises that is role model within the family is really his grandmother. William loves his mother but I think he has always had a clearer eyed vision of her and her relationship with the press. Harry doesn't seem to have been able to deal with quite so rationally.
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Old 07-11-2020, 07:59 AM
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IIRC William just brought his mother up in a soon to be released documentary....they both reference their mother in speeches and discussions. It's their mother, they should be able to do that without negative commentary.


https://www.insider.com/prince-willi...motions-2020-5


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Old 07-11-2020, 08:05 AM
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IIRC William just brought his mother up in a soon to be released documentary....they both reference their mother in speeches and discussions. It's their mother, they should be able to do that without negative commentary.


https://www.insider.com/prince-willi...motions-2020-5


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Just to say this documentary has aired already, it’s been on BBC1 and repeated on various channels.
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Old 07-11-2020, 08:15 AM
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IIRC William just brought his mother up in a soon to be released documentary....they both reference their mother in speeches and discussions. It's their mother, they should be able to do that without negative commentary.


https://www.insider.com/prince-willi...motions-2020-5


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In that documentary he was particularly asked by a footballer who was a new father whose own parent had left/died when he was young. He wanted to know how William had coped when he became a parent and having lost a parent. William duly obliged and answered. Different situation entirely.
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Old 07-11-2020, 08:20 AM
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Just to say this documentary has aired already, it’s been on BBC1 and repeated on various channels.

Ah I hadn't seen that it aired yet! Just that it was coming!



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Old 07-11-2020, 08:22 AM
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In that documentary he was particularly asked by a footballer who was a new father whose own parent had left/died when he was young. He wanted to know how William had coped when he became a parent and having lost a parent. William duly obliged and answered. Different situation entirely.

Ah so for it to be okay they have to be asked about it. So nice to know the rules that they are supposed to be using when it comes to discussing how their mother and her death affected their lives. Who knew?



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Old 07-11-2020, 09:27 AM
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Ah so for it to be okay they have to be asked about it. So nice to know the rules that they are supposed to be using when it comes to discussing how their mother and her death affected their lives. Who knew?



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Not sure what this has to do with the court case, but yes, I think that it is better if Will and harry wait till invited to speak about their mother to strangers.
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Old 07-11-2020, 09:48 AM
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Okay - I really think that Harry and Meghan have employed the expertise of reputation advisors. You have to remember that we - the people of this forum are not the target market of their campaign. And yes - I am cringing when I say campaign, but essentially it is what it is.
Meghan was following the advise of her 'advisors' to do this so that there will also be a history that she was vilified by the racist British Press who used her father against her and even escalated when she was pregnant knowing she couldn't defend herself and the palace wouldn't either. This is what people on the internet find when they will see this in years to come - and this is what millennium in American and the third world will see. Bring up Diana, mental health and any perceived vulnerability is part of that and thier target market is eating it up.

It is pretty much the same with everything Meghan and Harry are doing at the moment - they are playing a role for an audience. If they have hired a top notch public figure reputation advisor they really know what they doing and in less then a year we will see that popularity and that public opinion in the US will be amazing. And I think that it is believed that will filter to the same age group back the UK .
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Old 07-11-2020, 09:56 AM
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Okay - I really think that Harry and Meghan have employed the expertise of reputation advisors. You have to remember that we - the people of this forum are not the target market of their campaign. And yes - I am cringing when I say campaign, but essentially it is what it is.
Meghan was following the advise of her 'advisors' to do this so that there will also be a history that she was vilified by the racist British Press who used her father against her and even escalated when she was pregnant knowing she couldn't defend herself and the palace wouldn't either. This is what people on the internet find when they will see this in years to come - and this is what millennium in American and the third world will see. Bring up Diana, mental health and any perceived vulnerability is part of that and thier target market is eating it up.

It is pretty much the same with everything Meghan and Harry are doing at the moment - they are playing a role for an audience. If they have hired a top notch public figure reputation advisor they really know what they doing and in less then a year we will see that popularity and that public opinion in the US will be amazing. And I think that it is believed that will filter to the same age group back the UK .
Do you really think so? They are not getting an easy ride in the British press and while of course they have some supporters, both in the US and in the UK i think that there is a general feeling that they are rather spoilt people who walked out on their job..
I don't think that they will be allowed to bring up this stuff about "Meg not being protected" in court, as its nothing to do with the case. So they'll have to rely on social media to bring it up (as the Brit Press isn't friendly to them)
and many will say "what are they going on about, they tried to introduce all this in the court case and it had nothing to do with the court case."
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Old 07-11-2020, 12:04 PM
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Okay - I really think that Harry and Meghan have employed the expertise of reputation advisors. You have to remember that we - the people of this forum are not the target market of their campaign. And yes - I am cringing when I say campaign, but essentially it is what it is.
Meghan was following the advise of her 'advisors' to do this so that there will also be a history that she was vilified by the racist British Press who used her father against her and even escalated when she was pregnant knowing she couldn't defend herself and the palace wouldn't either. This is what people on the internet find when they will see this in years to come - and this is what millennium in American and the third world will see. Bring up Diana, mental health and any perceived vulnerability is part of that and thier target market is eating it up.

It is pretty much the same with everything Meghan and Harry are doing at the moment - they are playing a role for an audience. If they have hired a top notch public figure reputation advisor they really know what they doing and in less then a year we will see that popularity and that public opinion in the US will be amazing. And I think that it is believed that will filter to the same age group back the UK .
So far, popularity in the US for the Sussexes seems to be declining and the perception of Meghan as a manipulator is increasing. The millenials in the US seem to be indifferent and any enthusiastic support resides in never say die boomer Diana fans. IMO this lawsuit should have been dropped early on. Now it looks like they may never realize a ROI in either a legal or a PR sense.
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Old 07-11-2020, 12:10 PM
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By what metrics are you basing your assertion that their popularity in the US is declining? The majority of people in the US aren’t concerned about Meghan & Harry. They are here, living their lives like the rest of us. We don’t dislike them. We have no reason to. They’ve done nothing to us to warrant a decline in their popularity. Most don’t understand what she could have done to garner such ill will. Most chalk it up to either racism or xenophobia, and then they go about their day worrying about COVID and the upcoming election.

And to stay on topic, the MoS is trash and has no legal standing to reveal the friends’ names unless they are willing to reveal their palace sources for their stories.
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Old 07-11-2020, 12:58 PM
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Advisors can be wrong too.

Particularly American advisors who were advising Meghan in the British culture. Well that didn't work. I don't k ow, it depends where this comes to trail. People may have little interest in it at all. But going by the Depp. It's a blow by blow soap opera.
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Old 07-11-2020, 01:06 PM
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Ah so for it to be okay they have to be asked about it. So nice to know the rules that they are supposed to be using when it comes to discussing how their mother and her death affected their lives. Who knew?



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Nothing to do with the legal case. But it matters. He doesn't give speeches to banks about it. Bring himself up as 'Diana's boy.' Doesn't mention it in documentaries designed to get him sympathy.

They are two different characters and William appears to have moved past letting it define him or letting it define his concept of himself. Like he says. He lost a parent too young but he wasn't going to let all the love she gave them go to waste and let it destroy him.

Harry is still stuck in that period. Seemingly
Very PTSD.
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Old 07-11-2020, 01:29 PM
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Nothing to do with the legal case. But it matters. He doesn't give speeches to banks about it. Bring himself up as 'Diana's boy.' Doesn't mention it in documentaries designed to get him sympathy.

They are two different characters and William appears to have moved past letting it define him or letting it define his concept of himself. Like he says. He lost a parent too young but he wasn't going to let all the love she gave them go to waste and let it destroy him.

Harry is still stuck in that period. Seemingly
Very PTSD.

I agree. If PTSD is part of what makes Harry tick, recovery is a long road. In Harry's mind, fighting back against the press may help him feel more in control of his life. Of course I have no knowledge whether that is the case. I would think that starting legal proceedings was a step not taken lightly. Aside from challenging the letter publication and protecting Meghan, perhaps on some level Harry is fighting for his own peace of mind. Just speculation.
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Old 07-11-2020, 01:48 PM
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I was the one that bought up that Meghan tried to drop the case and the MoS would not let her. I was under the impression that both parties had to agree to drop a case and that is why this was. However, it seems that both parties could not reach agreement on dropping the case for whatever reason and that is why it continues.

This does not change me assertion that at one point both parties wanted out of this case. The fact that an agreement could not be reached does not change that.
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Old 07-11-2020, 01:52 PM
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The thing is that no one has the right to determine what Harry talks about or doesn't talk about. Its called freedom of expression. When it comes to backing mental health issues, it makes sense to Harry to connect with the issue by talking about his own mental health. He's perfectly free to do so. It can also be determined that speaking out now about something that has laid buried all these years is part of his own healing.

When it comes to reasoning about what is expressed, the only person we can really cross examine is ourselves.

In all things, even this legal action, we're on the outside looking in and forming opinions. We opine on what seems to be for us. Makes for good discussions to see things from a variety of different angles.
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Old 07-11-2020, 01:56 PM
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The thing is that no one has the right to determine what Harry talks about or doesn't talk about. Its called freedom of expression. When it comes to backing mental health issues, it makes sense to Harry to connect with the issue by talking about his own mental health. He's perfectly free to do so. It can also be determined that speaking out now about something that has laid buried all these years is part of his own healing.

When it comes to reasoning about what is expressed, the only person we can really cross examine is ourselves.

In all things, even this legal action, we're on the outside looking in and forming opinions. We opine on what seems to be for us. Makes for good discussions to see things from a variety of different angles.
That is where we disagree. A member of the BRF does not have the right to talk about anything they want in exchange for the public monies spent on them.

We are in uncharted territory here. Does the fact that H&M deciding not to be working royals give them the right to speak about anything they want? There is no clear cut answer for that and the rules of the game continue to evolve.
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Old 07-11-2020, 02:23 PM
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That is where we disagree. A member of the BRF does not have the right to talk about anything they want in exchange for the public monies spent on them.

Sorry, but what exactly legally prohibits them from having “the right” to talk about “anything”?

Whilst the BRF stay silent on many things, I don’t even think the apolitical elements of being a member of the RF are enshrined anywhere in “dos and dont’s”.

Also the Sussexes are not having public money spent on them, haven’t since March 2020. Unless you refer to them talking prior to this date of course.
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Old 07-11-2020, 02:32 PM
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Sorry, but what exactly legally prohibits them from having “the right” to talk about “anything”?

Whilst the BRF stay silent on many things, I don’t even think the apolitical elements of being a member of the RF are enshrined anywhere in “dos and dont’s”.

Also the Sussexes are not having public money spent on them, haven’t since March 2020. Unless you refer to them talking prior to this date of course.
And... even then, the *only* public money directly paid was for their security.

To amplify what "right" one has to determine how to express oneself, a favorite quote of mine that relates to this comes from a man that formulated this belief under a much more "restrictive" existence. Viktor Emil Frankl was an Austrian neurologist and psychiatrist, and a Holocaust survivor, of Theresienstadt, Auschwitz, Kaufering and Türkheim.

He writes "Everything can be taken from a man but one thing: the last of the human freedoms—to choose one’s attitude in any given set of circumstances, to choose one’s own way."

I do believe that this quote applies to Harry as well as to each and every one of us.
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Old 07-11-2020, 02:59 PM
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I was the one that bought up that Meghan tried to drop the case and the MoS would not let her. I was under the impression that both parties had to agree to drop a case and that is why this was. However, it seems that both parties could not reach agreement on dropping the case for whatever reason and that is why it continues.

This does not change me assertion that at one point both parties wanted out of this case. The fact that an agreement could not be reached does not change that.
The Mail really didn't want out of the case. The case wasn't settled because the mail refused to and probably issue an apology. And Meghan obviously didn't want to withdraw the case.
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