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Old 10-03-2019, 01:31 AM
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YouGov poll shows 54% support for the suing of the Mail on Sunday newspaper group. (The 'disagree' figures are very low.)

https://mobile.twitter.com/YouGov/st...7Ctwgr%5Etweet

A lot of people dislike the DM and the MoS. Its a perfect target from a PR standpoint.
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Old 10-03-2019, 01:42 AM
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The outside forces are trying to make it seem like The Queen and Prince Charles was blindsided by the Sussexes statement and legal action, but I really don’t think that’s the real case. They very likely knew this case was being built. The royals are a family and they do talk to each other. They know about the massive smear campaign that was launched against Meghan. They read the papers. Their officials inform them on what’s going on. Their heads aren’t buried in the sand.

I think they will win this case.
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Old 10-03-2019, 01:50 AM
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The outside forces are trying to make it seem like The Queen and Prince Charles was blindsided by the Sussexes statement and legal action, but I really don’t think that’s the real case. They very likely knew this case was being built. The royals are a family and they do talk to each other. They know about the massive smear campaign that was launched against Meghan. They read the papers. Their officials inform them on what’s going on. Their heads aren’t buried in the sand.

I think they will win this case.
My understanding is that they knew about the lawsuit but NOT about Harry's statement, allegedly. That IMO is likely true given that this statement was not released through official BRF channels. I am a bit worried by the bit in Low's reporting that Harry did not listen to the advice of his staff and the staff was upset. Could just be Low being dramatic. He does rather strongly dislike Harry.
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Old 10-03-2019, 02:05 AM
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The outside forces are trying to make it seem like The Queen and Prince Charles was blindsided by the Sussexes statement and legal action, but I really don’t think that’s the real case. They very likely knew this case was being built. The royals are a family and they do talk to each other. They know about the massive smear campaign that was launched against Meghan. They read the papers. Their officials inform them on what’s going on. Their heads aren’t buried in the sand.

I think they will win this case.
Those "outside forces" are going to have a field day with this lawsuit no matter what. Its what they do. Its how they make their money. What they are doing is perfect legal as they're expressing their opinion on how things are and the facts really don't come into play at all.

The lawsuit, on the other hand, has tangible words that were written by Meghan, herself, which were not represented as written when they were published by one specific branch of the "outside forces". Meghan's words are just as tangible as those photographs taken of Kate and published. This is why H/M have a legal case and are pursuing legal action.

As far as the Queen and Charles being notified, backing the Sussexes up or if and when they were informed doesn't matter. Those people are not involved in the litigation. The "Firm" itself is not involved. I'm sure there are a few Windsor family dogs that may like to take a bite out the the MoS's lawyers but that's not going to happen either. This is a personal matter between Harry, Meghan and the Mail on Sunday and it'll be those involved and their lawyers that are going to duke this thing out in court.

What I've seen too is that with the announcement of this court case, its opened the floodgates to rehashing everything and anything Meghan has gone through since Day 1 I think its a dangerous road to go down as I remember all too well how easily these threads were closed because of it all. There is one lawsuit pending against one publication and its parent business. Its what we should be focusing on rather than rehashing each and every other instance of bullying by anyone else.

I think they're going to win this case too and perhaps it will send a message to those that persist in bullying this couple that they could be next.
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Old 10-03-2019, 02:06 AM
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... I expect, unfortunately, this lawsuit will bring Thomas Sr out of whatever hole he is currently hiding in. The DM may even call him as a witness should it go to trial just to cause further pain to Meghan.

All in all, as Harry himself said, this wasn't the safest action even if it was the right one.
This battle is against irresponsible factions of the media. And let's please keep in mind that Meghan's family was relentlessly harassed and bribed. That some people are weak and easily susceptible to being taken in by such tactics is what it is. The Sussexes are relying on their own sense of decency, on their admirable strength of courage to fight against injustice, and on the legal advice of their attorneys.

I do not plan to openly speculate about what's going to happen, much less do I know anything about Meghan's capacity to endure emotional pain. What I do know is that she's carried herself with dignity and extraordinary grace. And from all evidence, I can see that she's a kind, strong, tough, intelligent young woman, who was raised by kind, tough, independent women. HRH The Duchess of Sussex comes from a line of strong black matriarchs.

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Old 10-03-2019, 04:22 AM
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Are we really going to start linking each and every media article in relation to this lawsuit? Is it a necessity? Or should we actually just focus here on the lawsuit itself? I'm just remembering our moderators setting into motion that the media is now no longer a topic of discussion.

I don't like seeing links specifically drawing attention to various articles and opinions published nor do I think there's really any use in speculating on the internal machinations within the British royal family itself. Rehashing old articles and old mudslinging and speculating on various interactions that may or may not have happened, to me, will be what gets this thread closed and leave us with no where to discuss the actual court case as it develops.

We *know* that there are going to be articles and opinions published all over the place in multitudes and I think we all know how to look for them should we choose to. I just don't see the purpose whatsoever in actually spreading these articles and opinions here. Its like we're aiding and abetting the media with their propaganda machine to make the most out of this situation.

This is just my opinion and what I'm seeing here. I believe we should just stick to information that is credible and in relation to the topic. The legal action against the Mail on Sunday.

Thanks for hearing me out.
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Old 10-03-2019, 05:23 AM
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What was she supposed to do? It was 48 hours or less before her wedding and he was telling TMZ his plans, which changed almost daily, but not picking up the phone to her to talk it though - by his own admission. The announcement said Prince Charles had been asked to step in and was delighted and they wished her father well and hoped to see him after the wedding.

We know from the letter she was trying to sort things out privately but he sold her out again for money with that and details of private conversations he'd had with Harry etc. The public didn't need to be given official updates of them trying to mend their relationship and Thomas Markle ensured it stayed broken by his own actions.
To be fair to her father he didn't say anything until some time after the wedding when she still hadn't bothered to visit him and it became clear she wasn't going to. Most children would have gone to visit a sick parent ASAP after the wedding. If her gripe was him getting those pics taken then it was a weak excuse to cut a man who had cared for her and raised her out of her life forever. Lets not forget that the royals themselves have not been strangers to tipping off photographers when it's suited them either and in his case he really was new to the situation. As I said before though I think a lot of the details about this will come out in court.
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Old 10-03-2019, 05:27 AM
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I agree - I stopped linking the DM for example in this matter, because it only polarizes and the thread will be closed. Hopefully there is a middle ground possible. Many posters, including me, think that part of this whole mess is self inflicted and part of it inflicted by a media that is relentless in making money without any ethics. Very often linking articles will only bring black/white opinions what does not help the cause.
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Old 10-03-2019, 05:45 AM
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I find it interesting the MoS have decided to not settle this ‘out of court’ and instead will defend itself vigorously.

But I agree it won’t do anything to reduce the negative coverage but probably just add more fuel to the fire.
Oh, I'm not sure it was the paper who decided to not settle out of court but maybe Meghan & Harry want to see this through.
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Old 10-03-2019, 05:50 AM
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Oh, I'm not sure it was the paper who decided to not settle out of court but maybe Meghan & Harry want to see this through.

Harry's law firm has confirmed this:
"Given the refusal of Associated Newspapers to resolve this issue satisfactorily, we have issued proceedings to redress this breach of privacy, infringement of copyright and the aforementioned media agenda”.


And it makes sense, the paper would never go down without a fight creating so many headlines.
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Old 10-03-2019, 05:54 AM
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Harry's law firm has confirmed this:
"Given the refusal of Associated Newspapers to resolve this issue satisfactorily, we have issued proceedings to redress this breach of privacy, infringement of copyright and the aforementioned media agenda”.
My interpretation of that statement is that it doesn't necessarily mean that MoS didn't want to settle out of court but that they couldn't agree on how to solve the issue in a manner that both parties could agree on.
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Old 10-03-2019, 06:14 AM
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Making the argument that the Markles were bribed does not help gain them sympathy, not when Meghan's mother kept quiet. Unless the paternal family was threaten they are not victims here.

I still think Sr will be called to testify. I remember when Lettergate broke and MSNBC went to him directly over this and he told the reporter go ask the Daily Mail. Why couldn't he explain himself, he sold the letter to the paper.
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Old 10-03-2019, 06:21 AM
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Old 10-03-2019, 07:32 AM
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In 2005 the Prince of Wales sued MoS for a similar situation- the Prince won. Perhaps the Sussexes are hoping for a similar victory.


https://www.latimes.com/archives/la-...e20-story.html
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Old 10-03-2019, 07:36 AM
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Why is Meghan suing the MoS?
https://amp.theguardian.com/uk-news/...mpression=true
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Old 10-03-2019, 07:57 AM
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After reading and analyzing what has been happening, a couple of points, basically reading between the lines

Harry has been bothered or upset by what he perceives to be attack on his wife, and clearly aware of what has been going on in the social media sphere, and he believe the clickbait positioning of the media in general, and the tabloids in particular are egging the attacks (aiding and abetting). though we have been told that Meghan does not read anything, it is common knowledge that Harry read everything. He is hurting and his pain is palpable throughout his statement. He is talking about daily vicious attacks, lies, etc that has been going on for 9 months. Basically like many have noticed here since right after the Australia/Asia Tour and the announcement of her pregnancy.
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Old 10-03-2019, 08:12 AM
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It does seem like so much of what’s been going on behind the scenes is now being revealed. Harry’s very strong-worded statement spoke volumes. As I’ve said before, something had to give.
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Old 10-03-2019, 08:24 AM
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I'm trying to remember and perhaps someone here does remember if Buckingham Palace issued a statement when either the Cambridges or Charles filed their lawsuits. As I see it, this lawsuit is a personal matter between Harry and Meghan and the Mail on Sunday and there's no need for statements to come from anyone else.
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Old 10-03-2019, 08:41 AM
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In my opinion, the Sussexes would have been much better off to bring the lawsuit without publishing Harry's highly emotional letter. The merits of the lawsuit stand on their own, and the details about the letter Meghan wrote, Meghan's father, and their relationship are already likely to result in much more attention, discussion, press coverage, and muck raking than anyone would want to have to deal with. Harry's letter just adds more grist to the mill, and results in lots of unnecessary speculation, as we have seen on this thread.

The capper is that it is likely to fuel even more critical and speculative coverage in the press, and the timing altered the trajectory of the overall positive coverage of the SA tour in a way that pretty effectively killed the momentum the last day and a half of the tour. The letter and its publication is making me question Harry's judgment a bit.

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Old 10-03-2019, 08:53 AM
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I don’t think the statement from Harry killed the momentum of the tour at all. The whole tour was a total success. The truth is— the momentum of the tour was going to pretty much end on the last day. Just as soon as the couple arrived back home the attacks was going to resume by some of the forces that accompanied the Sussexes on the tour. That’s the sad part.
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