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Old 10-15-2018, 08:24 AM
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I agree with you about the "technical" part. However, given all the talk from Charles about wanting to cull down the HRH part …. just wondering if it's only lip service. After all, the Cambridge's have 3 kids … Harry is no longer a seat warmer and his children even less so. JHMO.

I believe that after HM's death Charles will need William's support in more official things in the UK while he will use Harry's help for tending to the Commonwealth. Maybe, if Britain takes a bit of a fall following Brexit, they might even send the Sussexes to Australia, to represent the king there as governor general, to keep Australia closer to Britain. So I believe Harry will be important and his children, too. Probably even James Severn, who, when (as it is planned) his father becomes Duke of Edinburgh after Philip dies and Charles ascends the throne and creates the title anew for his brother, and James will become Earl of Wessex, he will be probably helping his father with Philip's charities and award scheme, just like Edward took over when Philip retired.

Surely Louise, Charlotte and Louis will have a chance to not become working Royals, but I think if they want to be, they could.

The problem for the York-girls IMHO has always been the combination of Andrew & Sarah behind them. I am sure Charles knows exactly what kind of business deals Andrew has organized on playing golf worldwide and or when he was a trade representative. (Sarah was so sure when she was caught by the fake sheikh that she could introduce him to Andrew and that Andrew would do "something" for him - this was IMHO not the first time the Yorks played that game without the palace being aware of what was going on. So I think Charles just shuddered at the idea that Beatrice and Eugenie would follow their parents, especially when Andrew took Beatrice with him to the Arab countries to "introduce" her.

But Edward needs someone to follow him and there is enough work even for both of his kids and the Commonwealth could be a chance for the Sussexes' kids.

IMHO, of course.
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Old 10-15-2018, 08:29 AM
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I can’t see any scenario where Harry’s first born will be a working royal. By the time he or she finishes school and military training, Charles would be into his late 90s

All three Cambridge children are ahead of a Sussex baby. Harry’s children certainly won’t be working royals under William.
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Old 10-15-2018, 08:33 AM
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AWWW! I knew it! Lovely and congratulations!!!
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Old 10-15-2018, 08:38 AM
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I don't think that Harry and Meghan will want their children to be working royals. I think that they will prefer for their children to have private lives.
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Old 10-15-2018, 08:44 AM
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Ok here are the Facts

This child will be 7th in the line of succession at birth
As of now at birth if it is a boy he will be His Grace The Earl of Dumbarton
If it is a girl Lady [First Name] Mountbatten-Windsor

Unless The Queen issues LP to make all children of Duke of Sussex HRH Princes/Princesses of the UK, the assumption being, since they are grand children of a Future monarch instead of having them change status when Charles ascend the throne according to King George V 1917 LPs

In this case
If it is a boy he will be HRH Prince [First Name] of Sussex
If it is a girl sh will be HRH Princess [First Name] of Sussex

if no LPs by the Queen before th birth, once Charles ascends the throne they will become HRH Princes/Princesses of the UK as grand children of the monarch, or they will remain title as sons and daughter of a Duke if Charles as King decides it is his will, or if he issues new LPs defining who is HRH Princes/Princesses of the UK, and these new LPs restrict this dignity to the children of the heir, or if Harry and Meghan decides that their children be titled as sons and daughter of a duke

Finally, although Harry is now 6th in line, he is for practical purposes a very senior royal. George, Charlotte and Louis won't be active royal for at least 25 to 30 years
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Old 10-15-2018, 08:50 AM
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a successor to the throne.
HARDLY - it will be 'in the line of succession' to the throne, which is rather different.
For this child to acceed to the throne there would have to be a major catastrophe, wiping out everyone between them and the current Monarch..
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Old 10-15-2018, 08:51 AM
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I can’t see any scenario where Harry’s first born will be a working royal. By the time he or she finishes school and military training, Charles would be into his late 90s

All three Cambridge children are ahead of a Sussex baby. Harry’s children certainly won’t be working royals under William.
Exactly my point!
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Old 10-15-2018, 08:57 AM
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Harry will be a good father. He is so calm when he is surrounded by children. He had the best training objects (called George, Charlotte and Louis). His love will made his children incredible strong.

Also Meghan does a great job when she is "working" with children.
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Old 10-15-2018, 09:00 AM
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Truth of the matter is that the whole idea of Charles wanting a slimmed down monarchy is just wild speculation at this point. There has been no credible reference to anything that Charles has actually said concerning the matter.

Secondly, if we look over the past 25-30 years from the time the Wales children were born, there's been a drastic change in our world and even how the royals "work". We don't know what things will be like 25-30 years from now. For all we know, there may be drastic changes in how the monarchy works (if there even is one).

With this in mind, I think its best to focus on today and the happy news we have of an impending blessed event for Harry and Meghan and just let the chips fall where they may and see what happens. Most likely, I will not be around 25-30 years from now to witness what's going on but I am willing to be that TRF will still be going strong.
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Old 10-15-2018, 09:02 AM
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Ok here are the Facts

This child will be 7th in the line of succession at birth
As of now at birth if it is a boy he will be His Grace The Earl of Dumbarton
If it is a girl Lady [First Name] Mountbatten-Windsor

Actually he will be only "Earl of Dumbarton". Honorific styles are not used with courtesy titles. And BTW the style for titular earls is "The Right Honourable", rather than "His Grace", which is used only for titular dukes.
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Old 10-15-2018, 09:07 AM
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Not Viscount of something?
Earl of Dumbarton is one of Harry's titles.
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Old 10-15-2018, 09:10 AM
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I can’t see any scenario where Harry’s first born will be a working royal. By the time he or she finishes school and military training, Charles would be into his late 90s

All three Cambridge children are ahead of a Sussex baby. Harry’s children certainly won’t be working royals under William.
Nobody knows what the future holds but right now

working royals
The queen
Prince Philip (Retired)
Prince Charles
Camilla
Prince William
Kate
Prince Harry
Meghan
Prince Andrew
Prince Edward
Sophie
Princess Anne
Duke of Gloucester
Duchess of Gloucester
Duke of Kent
Duchess of Kent (Retired)
Prince Michael of Kent (Semi)
Prince Michael of Kent (semi)
Princess Alexandra (Semi)

19

By the time Charles ascend the throne

Prince Charles
Camilla
Prince William
Kate
Prince Harry
Meghan
Prince Andrew
Prince Edward
Sophie
Princess Anne
Duke of Gloucester
Duchess of Gloucester
Duke of Kent (Retired)
Duchess of Kent (Retired)

Prince Michael of Kent (Semi)
Prince Michael of Kent (semi)
Princess Alexandra (Retired)


14

by the time William ascends the throne

William
Kate
Camilla
Prince Harry
Meghan
Prince Andrew
Prince Edward
Sophie
Princess Anne (Toward Retirement)
Duke of Gloucester (Retired)
Duchess of Gloucester (Retired)

Duke of Kent (Retired)
Duchess of Kent (Retired)

Prince Michael of Kent (toward retirement)
Prince Michael of Kent (toward retirement)

Princess Alexandra (Retired)


8 to 11

add George, Charlotte, Louis, so i would not categorically exclude the sussexes offsprings just as a matter of numbers
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Old 10-15-2018, 09:10 AM
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I didn’t want to speculate but I’m so happy the speculation was right. She has glowed these last few weeks. Congratulations to the Sussexes and Baby Sussex!
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Old 10-15-2018, 09:12 AM
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Not Viscount of something?
Earl of Dumbarton is one of Harry's titles.
Right. The son and heir, for a courtesy title, would use one of his father's secondary titles. We see that with the Earl of Wessex's son being Viscount Severn.

As Earl of Dumbarton is one of Harry's secondary titles, it would be the one that his son and heir uses as a courtesy title.
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Old 10-15-2018, 09:16 AM
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Not Viscount of something?
Earl of Dumbarton is one of Harry's titles.
Exactly An heir to a peerage is not given their own title, they use a subsidiary title of their father (or mother in rare case). It's the senior courtesy title. Just as James Wessex uses Edwards subsidiary title viscount Severn, Harrys son woukd use Earl of Dumbarton. When Harry becomes a grabdfather decades from now, his eldest grandson would be Baron Kilkeel. Harry is not a viscount so his children and grandchildren never will be. This is how all peerages whether royal like Kents or not royal work.


Congratulations to the couple on the exciting news. Happy to wake up to it

Will make the tour longer she more tiring but obviously she is doing well

Just in time likely to be a near anniversary gift.
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Old 10-15-2018, 09:24 AM
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I feel so happy for the couple, but also for Charles. This will be his fourth grandchild. His family has grown so beautifully.
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Old 10-15-2018, 09:32 AM
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I know pregnant women that run farms, work two jobs, are single parents. And THRIVE.
It's pregnancy not some advanced life threatening disease.
Yes I am aware...I have children and know many women who worked while pregnant.

However neither I, you or they faced the intense pressures of the media and living in a fishbowl doing 76 engagements in 2 weeks. That is a different type of stress.



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Old 10-15-2018, 09:37 AM
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Yes I am aware...I have children and know many women who worked while pregnant.

However neither I, you or they faced the intense pressures of the media and living in a fishbowl doing 76 engagements in 2 weeks. That is a different type of stress.



LaRae
Agreed, and in addition, you never really know in advance what kind of pregnancy you are going to have, and whether you are going to be able to be as active as you would be if you were not pregnant. Meghan must be feeling very well, and have gotten the go-ahead from her doctors, but I still wouldn't be surprised if this tour put quite a bit of stress on her.
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Old 10-15-2018, 09:43 AM
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Meghan really does glow, doesn't she? I am so glad that at least publicly, she has had a forgiving pregnancy. I hope that continues.
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Old 10-15-2018, 09:45 AM
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I agree with you about the "technical" part. However, given all the talk from Charles about wanting to cull down the HRH part …. just wondering if it's only lip service. After all, the Cambridge's have 3 kids … Harry is no longer a seat warmer and his children even less so. JHMO.
Slimming down the monarch is in regards to who is working royal, in other words, financially supported by monarchy one way or another. Having HRH doesn't mean that.

At the end of day, I think not having HRH is more in keeping with the couple's personality. It would give their kids more freedom than Harry had.
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