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Old 02-22-2019, 09:10 AM
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Everywhere you go in Europe (at least everywhere I go, and I go frequently) and try to speak French or German, I am cut off by people who only want to practice their English.
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Old 02-22-2019, 09:52 AM
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Although it is nice to know a foreign language, it is becoming less and less practical.
Everywhere you go in Europe (at least everywhere I go, and I go frequently) and try to speak French or German, I am cut off by people who only want to practice their English.
Less practical from english-speaking people it seems. I heard my entire life that learning another languages is very essential 'cause I wasn't born in a english-speaking country. English might be the language that is universally used, but that doesn't mean that the other languages will disappear entirely
It has been proven that learning other languages improves a child's intelect and expands the horizons (not sure if it's the way it's written, because I read it in portuguese not english, so I'm making a translation). I hope that Meghan and Harry encourage their child to learn another language. It's always a plus.
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Old 02-22-2019, 10:22 AM
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Less practical from english-speaking people it seems. I heard my entire life that learning another languages is very essential 'cause I wasn't born in a english-speaking country. English might be the language that is universally used, but that doesn't mean that the other languages will disappear entirely
It has been proven that learning other languages improves a child's intelect and expands the horizons (not sure if it's the way it's written, because I read it in portuguese not english, so I'm making a translation). I hope that Meghan and Harry encourage their child to learn another language. It's always a plus.
Hopefully, the Duchess will speak French and Spanish to baby Sussex. They could also hire a nanny that speaks a different language until the child goes off to school, and hopefully has a curriculum with foreign language built in even at a young age.
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Old 02-22-2019, 10:26 AM
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Hopefully, the Duchess will speak French and Spanish to baby Sussex. They could also hire a nanny that speaks a different language until the child goes off to school, and hopefully has a curriculum with foreign language built in even at a young age.
UK schools all require one other language to be studied, so Baby Sussex should be fine.
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Old 02-22-2019, 10:29 AM
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UK schools all require one other language to be studied, so Baby Sussex should be fine.
As do most US schools. Yet I find that skills to be lacking after high school. Home practice, especially start from a young age, is extremely important. Ability to learn a new language peaks at 7 or 8 years old.
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Old 02-22-2019, 10:34 AM
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UK schools all require one other language to be studied, so Baby Sussex should be fine.
My point meaning at a young age, i.e. 4-8 years when a child's brain is more apt to receiving and maintaining information. I know about UK schools, been there and done that.
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Old 02-22-2019, 10:41 AM
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My point meaning at a young age, i.e. 4-8 years when a child's brain is more apt to receiving and maintaining information. I know about UK schools, been there and done that.
The independent schools in the UK will typically start tuition in French in Year 1, when they are about 5. Those kids that speak another language at home are obviously better off than those that only rely on the school.
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Old 02-22-2019, 10:49 AM
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The independent schools in the UK will typically start tuition in French in Year 1, when they are about 5. Those kids that speak another language at home are obviously better off than those that only rely on the school.
Which should be right up the Duchess' alley. Learn it at school and speak it at home with mom (reinforced) or someone else in the home.
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Old 02-22-2019, 11:12 AM
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Hopefully, the Duchess will speak French and Spanish to baby Sussex.
It would be more practical IMHO to hire a Canadian nanny who could speak both French ( as her first language) and English ( as a flawless second language). A Franco-Ontarian would be a particularly good choice.

Although English schools may start teaching a foreign language in year 1, my understanding is that foreign languages are not compulsory in middle school (?) and certainly not in upper secondary school . That is not sufficient to reach proficiency , especially without real exposure to the other language and reinforcement learning at home.
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Old 02-22-2019, 11:39 AM
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It would be more practical IMHO to hire a Canadian nanny who could speak both French ( as her first language) and English ( as a flawless second language). A Franco-Ontarian would be a particularly good choice.

Although English schools may start teaching a foreign language in year 1, my understanding is that foreign languages are not compulsory in middle school (?) and certainly not in upper secondary school . That is not sufficient to reach proficiency , especially without real exposure to the other language and reinforcement learning at home.



This was my point initially. I know about the British school system because I lived it until I was 14. I also know about the American system because I lived it for high school and university and worked for it and even wrote my Education Master's Thesis on Children using their L1 (first language) in an English language classroom setting.

A foreign language is required in most U.S. public schools to graduate high school and in almost all private and charter schools, not so much in middle school and very rarely in elementary schools. As for the U.K, it really depends on the school.

I like the idea of a Canadian nanny (don't know how that would go over) who would be able to speak both English and French to the child. However, being a francophile, Canadian French is slightly different to France French, but that shouldn't matter in the grand scheme of things.
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Old 02-22-2019, 12:15 PM
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I like the idea of a Canadian nanny (don't know how that would go over) who would be able to speak both English and French to the child. However, being a francophile, Canadian French is slightly different to France French, but that shouldn't matter in the grand scheme of things.
I don't know why a Canadian nanny would be an issue. The Cambridges' nanny is Spanish.
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Old 02-22-2019, 12:29 PM
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This was my point initially. I know about the British school system because I lived it until I was 14. I also know about the American system because I lived it for high school and university and worked for it and even wrote my Education Master's Thesis on Children using their L1 (first language) in an English language classroom setting.

A foreign language is required in most U.S. public schools to graduate high school and in almost all private and charter schools, not so much in middle school and very rarely in elementary schools. As for the U.K, it really depends on the school.

I like the idea of a Canadian nanny (don't know how that would go over) who would be able to speak both English and French to the child. However, being a francophile, Canadian French is slightly different to France French, but that shouldn't matter in the grand scheme of things

I don’t know about the UK , but High School language classes in the US , unless it is an IB or AP class, are pretty basic. Students normally never progress beyond being able to make simple sentences and, even in simple sentences, most of them have poor grammar and especially poor pronunciation.

I am aware that Canadian French pronunciation is very different from Parisian French , but the standard written language , except for a few differences in vocabulary, is the same throughout the French-soeaking world. I am obviously assuming that the nanny would speak standard French to the Sussex baby, albeit with a Canadian accent, rather than a dialectal form of Canadian French with nonstandard grammar. I would favor a French Canadian nanny over a European French one because, even if she has a “ funny accent”, her English pronunciation on the other hand is likely to be much better, especially if she is from Ontario, but from the local French school system.
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Old 02-22-2019, 12:42 PM
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I'm sure the Cambridge baby will learn a foreign language...my guess is at least Spanish and perhaps French.

I've started the grandkids on Spanish workbooks/language daily. `I think the 4 year old learns faster than the older two kids...but she has watched Dora for years also.


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Old 02-22-2019, 12:45 PM
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I don’t know about the UK , but High School language classes in the US , unless it is an IB or AP class, are pretty basic. Students normally never progress beyond being able to make simple sentences and, even in simple sentences, most of them have poor grammar and especially poor pronunciation.

I am aware that Canadian French pronunciation is very different from Parisian French , but the standard written language , except for a few differences in vocabulary, is the same throughout the French-soeaking world. I am obviously assuming that the nanny would speak standard French to the Sussex baby, albeit with a Canadian accent, rather than a dialectal form of Canadian French with nonstandard grammar. I would favor a French Canadian nanny over an European French one because, even if she has a “ funny accent”, her English pronunciation on the other hand is likely to be much better, especially if she is from Ontario, but from the local French school system.
I agree with all of this. The only reason my French is up to par was because I have family members and friends who are French. Not even my AP French in high school was up to snuff. I also speak German, but I learnt that at university, which was a bit harder, but then I moved to Germany a few years after that, so I was able to actually immerse myself in the German language, even though it's normal to hear a mix of both German and English now on the Berlin UBahn.

Regarding the nanny, I don't disagree. I think a French Canadian would work, but again, some people may not like it. For me, I would find no problem with it.

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I'm sure the Cambridge baby will learn a foreign language...my guess is at least Spanish and perhaps French.

I've started the grandkids on Spanish workbooks/language daily. `I think the 4 year old learns faster than the older two kids...but she has watched Dora for years also.


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Younger children take better to a foreign language better than older children. It's a proven fact. The earlier they start, the easier it is for them. But you also have to ensure that it's not just oral (speaking) but writing also (but that is for a different discussion).

BTW...do you mean Sussex baby?
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Old 02-22-2019, 01:59 PM
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Younger children take better to a foreign language better than older children. It's a proven fact. The earlier they start, the easier it is for them. But you also have to ensure that it's not just oral (speaking) but writing also (but that is for a different discussion).

BTW...do you mean Sussex baby?
Yes sorry...was just reading something about the Cambridges possible ski trip so they were on the brain!

We use workbooks (written) and verbal both.

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Old 02-22-2019, 02:51 PM
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I like the idea of a Canadian nanny (don't know how that would go over) who would be able to speak both English and French to the child. However, being a francophile, Canadian French is slightly different to France French, but that shouldn't matter in the grand scheme of things.
Even better as Canada is one of the quuen's realms and France is not.
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Old 02-22-2019, 03:40 PM
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I think a Canadian nanny would be nice - and even though there may be some differences between the two languages, IIRC most French Canadians can understand the mainstream French spoken in France too, so there shouldn't be any problems. A French Canadian nanny would be a bonus because, as Somebody pointed out, Canada is part of the Commonwealth. And the Cambridge children have a Spanish nanny so the two couples would be even on their children being exposed to other languages - though in terms of useful world languages, a Mandarin Chinese or Arabic speaking nanny would be more practical; but I guess we'll wait and see!
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It's always better to be positive and to try and access positivity in everything we do @evolving doors. That's one reason why I positively wish the Duke & Duchess of Sussex every good thing especially during this happy and expectant time in their lives, when they are both putting their best foot forward and handling the challenges they face with such grace, dignity, charm and spiritual uplift.
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Old 02-22-2019, 11:19 PM
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It would be more practical IMHO to hire a Canadian nanny who could speak both French ( as her first language) and English ( as a flawless second language). A Franco-Ontarian would be a particularly good choice.

Although English schools may start teaching a foreign language in year 1, my understanding is that foreign languages are not compulsory in middle school (?) and certainly not in upper secondary school . That is not sufficient to reach proficiency , especially without real exposure to the other language and reinforcement learning at home.
Even though Canada is a bilingual nation (officially), very few Canadians are fluently bilingual. Most Canadians speak English with minimal French that they learned in high school, and many Quebecois speak fluent French and poor English. So that French-Canadian nanny with a good grasp of both languages might be a little hard to find. :) (Some people do speak both languages well so they do exist...just might be tricky to find. )
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It's always better to be positive and to try and access positivity in everything we do @evolving doors. That's one reason why I positively wish the Duke & Duchess of Sussex every good thing especially during this happy and expectant time in their lives, when they are both putting their best foot forward and handling the challenges they face with such grace, dignity, charm and spiritual uplift. [/url]
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