Harry and Chelsy: Relationship Musings

[Frankinscence]

Lumutqueen: ok, now I understand where you are coming from. Thank you; I didn't realise what your expectations were. Yes, I agree, it isn't a good idea to express one's opinions as facts. But, as I said, I just got the impression that English might not have been this lady's first language ... I could be wrong.

To extrapolate my other post in the other thread, whilst I do think Kate works, I believe it's only when she feels that she has the time and inclination. Why? Because she appears to have a lot of time on her hands to be at William's beck and call. Her family have allowed her to have years of not working and swanning around doing very little except to lead the "good life". Why would they change now and make her work like a trojan?

Plus, her past work record doesn't give me much confidence. Yes, a person's past often and usually does give a good indication of their future habits and conduct. Not too many people change in adulthood.

My writing can also be very matter of fact, so apologies in advance!

[Lumutqueen]

I think my post in the William and Kate thread, answered a few of your queries aswell.
That's a fair point, however we don't know that William asked her before they moved in together obv, he could say to her "Love, i'm coming home for the weekend have me a bath ready please dollface" and she could turn around and say "Nope, i'm off to party" if you know what I mean.

I'm not sure what you mean by her parents letting her not work for years? If i'm right, I think she has been working for her parents for a year or so, before then various other jobs that she never quite took with I believe.

[Idriel]

Lumutqueen, you wrote a thoughfull and extensive answer. And no, you did not come off remotely agressive. I supose you do excactly what I do when discussing Harry or other royal that I like very much: you get passionate.
I certainly apologise for calling one of your point a 'pathetic lie'. That was nasty and unessecary (I edited my post).

Originally Posted by Lumutqueen

Even when she was at leeds, she was picture out, perhaps not every night, but she was out. And before that when Chelsy was not at Leeds Uni, she was out with Harry a fair bit.

Yes, I never denied that. She was seen out with Harry on some w-e or during holidays, but they were hardly painting the town red.

My point, and I admit I did not make it clear, is that Chelsy has been just has 'discreet', if not more, than Kate. Kate was pretty pap friendly for a while while Chelsy has never engaged the paparazzi, and for any pictures of Chelsy on a night out I can pull four of Kate. So why is it that when somebody pointed out Chelsy's discretion, you answered:

Avoided the limelight? She was pictured in nearly every paper on the front page walking out of a nightclub with Harry on a daily basis.

It seemed to me you were trying to imply that Chelsy was courting attention, something you are always saying Kate does not.
If so, why the double standards?

[Lumutqueen]

Okay, this post may not be as extensive as the last because my mind is a little hazy.

I think what I was trying to say with my quote, you have now used twice, was not that she was courting attention, but that I have an altered image of Chelsy that she is not the kind of girl who shys away from something that's a challenge. Manage the paps is a challenge in my opinion. Does that make sense?

Kate IMO shys away from the paps because she's scared something is going to happen.

[Frankinscence]

IMO, Kate plays the good girl so as not to upset William and thus risk the position to which she obviously covets. Her mother allegedly said as much ...

Chelsy, IMO won't play to suit anyone, which is not to say that I think it's always the best way to behave, either.

[Opal]

Originally Posted by Idriel

That idea that the Wales boys don't have a real career because they have time out to do their royal duties or because they are only pictured during their leave is ridiculous.
They both work hard.

It confounds me when people accuse them of not really having a military career or they're accused of spending way too much time vacationing. What? They don't take any more vacation time than other people who serve in the military.
I think they do a good job of balancing their careers with doing public duties. Most people don't have to do public duties in addition to working at their job.
Harry is on leave right now from training but so are the other trainees and he doesn't determine the training scedule.
Chelsy seems like a hard worker and a real go-getter to me.

[Iluvbertie]

What I think a lot of people question is how much time they spend training rather than actually serving in the military. It is years since they received their commissions and yet they are still training and not serving, except for Harry's short stint in Afghanistan. We know that they had to retrain from their original ideas but that just shows that the appropriate people didn't think through that side of their careers to start with, including the princes.

[Sereta]

They can't help how long their training is required.
The only retraining was for Harry. Nobody could have known he would be ratted out while in Afghanista so obviously they've had to change their approach. It's not because they didn't think it through.

[Opal]

Originally Posted by Iluvbertie

What I think a lot of people question is how much time they spend training rather than actually serving in the military. It is years since they received their commissions and yet they are still training and not serving, except for Harry's short stint in Afghanistan. We know that they had to retrain from their original ideas but that just shows that the appropriate people didn't think through that side of their careers to start with, including the princes.

No I don't think a lot of people question that.

[MARG]

Originally Posted by Lumutqueen

. . . . . . . . I think what I was trying to say with my quote, . . . . . . . . . . was not that she was courting attention, but that I have an altered image of Chelsy that she is not the kind of girl who shys away from something that's a challenge. Manage the paps is a challenge in my opinion. Does that make sense?

Kate IMO shys away from the paps because she's scared something is going to happen.

I think your meaning is very clear and I concur. Chelsy has the necessary savoir faire needed to cope with such a high profile "other half's" baggage, namely the press and or public expectations.

She seems so totally comfortable in her own skin and is more likely to confront situations head on rather than pretend to be self-effaceing and ready to "disappear into the wallpaper" rather than be noticed or be perceived as (heaven forfend) publicity seeking.

[muriel]

Originally Posted by Lumutqueen

Kate IMO shys away from the paps because she's scared something is going to happen.

I don't think that is true at all. IMO she and Willis have made a conscience decision for her to keep a low profile, which is what she is doing.

If anything, I actually think that Kate has actually been quite aggressive thourgh her lawyers in her dealings with the paps (eg, the Christmas photographs).

[Sereta]

Originally Posted by MARG

Chelsy has the necessary savoir faire needed to cope with such a high profile "other half's" baggage, namely the press and or public expectations.

She seems so totally comfortable in her own skin and is more likely to confront situations head on rather than pretend to be self-effaceing and ready to "disappear into the wallpaper" rather than be noticed or be perceived as (heaven forfend) publicity seeking.

I agree, she seems to be quite able handle the press. I mean they photographed her on her private property and she didn't sue them or anything. She seems to keep her cool when around the press and is able to handle different situations with ease.

[muriel]

I am sure Harry and Chelsy will work out, in time, what is best for them - whether that be together as a couple, or as two individuals that go their separate ways. They are both young and have plenty of time to make up their minds.

[Opal]

Well that's a very diplomatic way of putting it Muriel.

[solsol]

i think they are both very level headed.

[sunshine_93]

Originally Posted by Lumutqueen

SA apparently, which is understanble if she is spending time with her family before started that internship.
Which article did you read it in Iluvbertie.
Kate and Camilla and Diana were and are extremely wonderful woman, who if and have done the british royal family and the country proud.

What you said ?!? Camilla have done the BRF and country proud? And why?
I agree for Diana-she did her best !!! But for Camilla < ed by Warren > and Kate -why?

[Lumutqueen]

Originally Posted by sunshine_93

What you said ?!? Camilla have done the BRF and country proud? And why?
I agree for Diana-she did her best !!! But for Camilla < ed by Warren > and Kate -why?

In regards to Kate I said she would do her country proud if she married into the BRF.
And Camilla has done her best for this country, and she has not had it easy. She knows her place besides the Prince, something Diana never did.

[Russophile]

And Camilla has never leaked privvy details of the BRF through her friends or through the media to make the BRF look bad.

[Lumutqueen]

Originally Posted by Russophile

And Camilla has never leaked privvy details of the BRF through her friends or through the media to make the BRF look bad.

Well I was saving that for the next stage of my argument.

[sirhon11234]

Why does everything always have to go to Diana vs. Camilla honestly.
Now back to the topic I agree with Muriel Harry and Chelsy will make up their minds on their own time.