Harry and Chelsy: Relationship Musings

[MARG]

After Chelsy's appearance at Autumn and Peter's wedding I don't think anyone is going to try to "groom" her. She dresses to suit her diary, flip flops and holiday style on holiday, and knock you socks off for a royal "family" wedding.

 

[baguetteprincess]

I like Chelsy more and more. She looked chic and friendly in photos from the wedding, and her outfit was perfect. Her pearl earrings were spectacular! I think she will grow on everyone, should she continue to move forward as she is. I also like Prince Harry far more than William, and it is very possible that the popularity of this couple, if they stay together, could very well eclipse that of Kate and William.....

 

[MARG]

I Her pearl earrings were spectacular!

Aha! Her signature earrings worn with her signature smile.

 

[Jo of Palatine]

it is very possible that the popularity of this couple, if they stay together, could very well eclipse that of Kate and William.....

But don't you think that for a Royal "popularity" is more a punishment than a gift?

 

[MARG]

But don't you think that for a Royal "popularity" is more a punishment than a gift?

Either way it is a security nightmare.

 

[baguetteprincess]

Either way it is a security nightmare.

Very possibly, but given the interest the public has with the sons of the late Princess Diana, I think anyone the Princes fancy would have security issues.

The one thing I think IS favorable about Chelsy....she is living in Leeds, getting an education in law...and lives pretty simply for a commoner with money. I think that must impress the Queen, who has been living most of her life, as frugally as possible.

Time will ultimately tell, who marries whom, but in this media intense world, the one who TRIES to live simply and without pretention, will appeal most to the world and will win favor.....and respect....

 

[Skydragon]

They are not so great together when they fall out, or when we hear stories about Harry and other women, or see photographs of Chelsy with a cigarette hanging out of her mouth.

As far as I can see, Chelsy has given no interview regarding her ambitions in life, so she is, at the moment in the same position as Catherine, just the girlfriend of a young man who happens to be a prince, which also makes her a princess in waiting! Unless she actually starts employment, nobody can compare the two girls properly, even then because she is dating the youngest of the boys, the spare, there will not be as much interest in her, so finding a sympathetic employer will be easier.

So far, taking her fathers interests into account, she is less suitable with regards a permanent relationship with Harry.

 

[Idriel]

They are not so great together when they fall out, or when we hear stories about Harry and other women, or see photographs of Chelsy with a cigarette hanging out of her mouth.

I love how when that kind of reports are written about Harry and Chelsy they're gospel, but when it comes to Will and Kate it's tabloid garbage, despite coming from the same publications.
I don't doubt they have their share of problems but so what? If you rely on such reports The 'golden couple' Will and Kate is far more troubled.
I agree though with you about Chelsy's lack of decorum when she knows she is being photographed. It's her biggest flaw, imo.

As far as I can see, Chelsy has given no interview regarding her ambitions in life

Her actions speak louder than words.
If your aim in life is to be a party girl, why take a graduate degree course in law, which anyone in academia will tell you is one of the most punishing and demanding post-graduate course around? That screams of personal ambition to me.
The fact that she went to Leeds instead of choosing a London University which would have been more conveniently close to he boyfriend also speaks volumes about her independence of mind.

so she is, at the moment in the same position as Catherine

Chelsy isn't in the same situation as Kate since she didn't stop at a bachelor degree (for recall, Chelsy got a 2:1 in Economics, which is commendable) and began to live the idle jet-set lifestyle her family's considerable wealth could have afforded her but chose to pursue her education.
When she finishes her studies, then she will be in the same situation, and will be criticised accordingly if she chose the same path as Kate. By me, at least.

So far, taking her fathers interests into account, she is less suitable with regards a permanent relationship with Harry.

I don't think her family makes her unsuitable as much as her academic and, one has to assume, professional ambitions.
As much as I don't care for Kate, I am the first to say she is a perfect candidate for becoming a Windsor wife, since the job description is pretty much that of a trophy wife.

 

[Isana]

I respect Chelsy for pursuing her post graduate but we'll see whether she'll actually use it to find a job once she's done or whether she'll get engaged and married and hence never start any job in the first place. So far she hasn't taken any step into the direction of a specific job. No internships during summer break, no part time job in her gap year - nothing the average law student would do to get a job. She is enrolled in law school which is recommendable as such but she does not come across like an ambitious law student to me. She hardly ever spends more than 3 months in a row in the UK before returning for a break of at least a month to South Africa. But then maybe she doesn't need to do any of the above to find employment thanks to her connections.

I guess it will be hard for her to work in a law firm or something like that in the UK anyways given the paparrazzi attention but maybe she'll return to SA to find employment.

Btw. I actually know quite a few girls who study law and don't intent to use their degree but law as well as economics are exactly the courses in which you meet the future rich guys. not that Chelsy would need to...

 

[Menarue]

I don´t think it matters very much to anyone in the RF if Chelsy marries Harry, it is always nice for a younger son to marry a rich heiress, in fact it is a perfectly satisfactory situation, and if she is personable, has a good education and the future husband seems very unlikely to become King, then why not?

 

[Skydragon]

I love how when that kind of reports are written about Harry and Chelsy they're gospel, but when it comes to Will and Kate it's tabloid garbage, despite coming from the same publications.

Actually there were plenty of pictures of them both cavorting with other men/women to make the stories more believable. Of course we also have the variety of pictures of both of them out with others, looking less than respectable.

Her actions speak louder than words.
If your aim in life is to be a party girl, why take a graduate degree course in law, which anyone in academia will tell you is one of the most punishing and demanding post-graduate course around? That screams of personal ambition to me.
The fact that she went to Leeds instead of choosing a London University which would have been more conveniently close to he boyfriend also speaks volumes about her independence of mind.Chelsy isn't in the same situation as Kate since she didn't stop at a bachelor degree (for recall, Chelsy got a 2:1 in Economics, which is commendable) and began to live the idle jet-set lifestyle her family's considerable wealth could have afforded her but chose to pursue her education.

Leeds is hardly renowned for it's law courses, so it is an easier law option, nothing to do with being with Harry.
Many youngsters take courses in law, never specialising, some don't even bother to use their degrees to obtain work, just to meet eligible others.

When she finishes her studies, then she will be in the same situation, and will be criticised accordingly if she chose the same path as Kate. By me, at least.I don't think her family makes her unsuitable as much as her academic and, one has to assume, professional ambitions.
As much as I don't care for Kate, I am the first to say she is a perfect candidate for becoming a Windsor wife, since the job description is pretty much that of a trophy wife.

If she finishes her studies, as there are no guarantees she will. However working for her parents or studying, she is in the same position as Catherine, the girlfriend of a member of TRF. Her fathers position and friendship with some questionable people, will raise eyebrows IMO, especially in the government.

 

[Idriel]

Actually there were plenty of pictures of them both cavorting with other men/women to make the stories more believable. Of course we also have the variety of pictures of both of them out with others, looking less than respectable.

Yes, so based on evidences, they are as good a couple as Will and Kate, yet they always get more criticism. That was my point.

Leeds is hardly renowned for it's law courses, so it is an easier law option.

Easier, maybe, but not easy. Wherever you study it, it's a demanding course. And there is no proof she chose this university to have it easier. Considering she got a very good bachelor, I see no evidence she is academically challenged.
It was reported that the University was recommended to her by a friend who was studying here. According to the Guardian, there in a 79% student satisfaction rate with the course. That might just have been the reason she chose it.

nothing to do with being with Harry

My point exactly. She didn't wrap her life around Harry. This show independence to me.

Many youngsters take courses in law, never specialising, some don't even bother to use their degrees to obtain work, just to meet eligible others.

Moot point since Chelsy has already met her eligible other. Who cares what the motives of other students are, it's clearly not why she is there. Beside, Leeds is hardly known as a upper-class or billionaire hangout.

If she finishes her studies, as there are no guarantees she will.

There are no sign she won't. Afaik, she has shown up to her exams and is back in the UK to start a new semester soon.

However working for her parents or studying, she is in the same position as Catherine, the girlfriend of a member of TRF.

She has the same status, yes, but she isn't in the same position. There is no evidence Kate is working for her parents. She has been pictured moving boxes and has been rumored to take pictures of cupcakes (which would be called an assignment not a genuine job). How could this compare to a full-time law course is beyond my understanding.

Her fathers position and friendship with some questionable people, will raise eyebrows IMO, especially in the government.

I agree Mr Davy connections are unsavoury. However for the British government to oppose an hypothetical marriage on that basis would be utterly hypocritical for reasons the forums regulations forbid me to dwell on.

 

[Menarue]

I really can´t understand the term Kate haters and Chelsy haters, how can anyone hate someone they don´t even know. There are people who would rather not see Kate the future Queen of England - for many reasons. There are others who don´t think Chelsy is suitable for the Queen´s grandson, but the word hate is very very strong and I don´t think anyone of us is going to have any influence on the subject of the marriage of these two young men so it is a rather futile exercise. I don´t think just because she has chosen Law means that she isn´t intent on having a good time at parties..... or that she is. University students enjoying themselves ... heaven forbid, they are all serious minded young people that just study day and night. LOL.

 

[putski]

Very true, Menarue. No one really knows these girls well enough to be a real hater. But sadly, if you see in other 1 or 2 other forums, there are people who spend their waking hours finding fault, nitpicking and amusing themselves with nasty comments about Kate, Chelsy or Camilla. I personally find them very immature (even laughable), which is why I've stayed away from those forums altogether.

I think it's wrong to put Kate and Chelsy up against each other. We'd only be comparing how the media decides to portray them. I'm sure they're both lovely in their own ways... just as Princes William & Harry have seen.

 

[Skydragon]

.She has the same status, yes, but she isn't in the same position. There is no evidence Kate is working for her parents. She has been pictured moving boxes and has been rumored to take pictures of cupcakes (which would be called an assignment not a genuine job). How could this compare to a full-time law course is beyond my understanding.

It is far harder to work for your parents than to study at any university, regardless of the course. I have nieces and nephews who have taken a variety of degree courses, (Lawyers, Medical Doctors, Physics), inc Doctorates. Who although they 'worked' hard still found time for lots of drinking and partying. They seem to agree that when they entered the 'real' world of employment, it was all much harder!

 

[Jo of Palatine]

That is one aspect of it: once you are really employed, you have a different view on the future you aim at and on the work you actually do, thus you feel you have to give more and you invest more of yourself because the moment you take on your first real job, your own attitude changes so completely.

But with Catherine and Chelsy we simply have no basis for any guesses about what she actually does, where she personally aims at, if she has an escape plan in case her relationship does not work out - so many open questions and no hints on the answers.

I personally found the pre-wedding interviews of CP Mary of Denmark very refreshing as they gave an insight in how it was for her to be the girlfriend of the Crown Prince, which difficult decisions were to face as neither he or she could give the other reliable promises till much later on... If you want to get an idea how it must be for Catherine and Chelsy, reading what Mary told should be a good start.

 

[Warren]

Sorry guys but this thread won't become the venue for a "Kate vs Chelsy: who is better?" battleground.
Posts which popped up here introducing this dead-end topic have been removed.

thanks.

Warren
British Forums moderator

 

[Duchess]

i caught a few minutes of a program about the princes and one thing they touched on was harry and chelsea. it's funny how back in previous posts it was brought up that her father had connections to mugabe and that alone would probably make her ufavorable as a royal bride but this program made absolutley no mention of it. although i have my doubts as to whether they will marry, i wonder if this connection even really matters now?

 

[Ifmeister]

I'm not sure that asking about or discussing security arrangements of anyone, Royal or otherwise, is really in the interests of these boards or those being discussed.

 

[Warren]

We discuss security in general terms; we certainly don't reveal specific security arrangements.

 

[PrincessofEurope]

i dont think the press pursue Chelsy as much whilst she is at her studies in Leeds - yes there are some picture of her but as yet she has to face the daily hords of cameras outside her front door waiting for her as they have done with Kate since she moved to London - most likely this will change when Chelsy tries to seek employment but maybe by that stage Harry and her could be engaged

I think that Harry will be much more protective of Chelsy and not let her be harrassed by the cameras - he was especially close to Diana and saw what damage they have done by chasing her and the impact that had on her life and was a major factor in her death - Harry wont want the same to happen to his girlfriend and maybe if they started following her like they do with Kate, he might be forced to take action ie an early marriage

 

[Duchess]

I'm not sure that asking about or discussing security arrangements of anyone, Royal or otherwise, is really in the interests of these boards or those being discussed.

i think since none of has an inside as to the security details of any of the royals, it's ok to discuss it.

 

[annieblack]

I don't want to start up another Kate v Chelsey argument but maybe the press leave her largely alone in Leeds because they are genuinely impressed that she is following her studies etc etc and has an obvious focus. Also they can see how much Harry loves her and after what he has said in articles knows that keeping on the right side on them will benefit the press in the future. I think that Harry and Chelsey would make a fantastic addition to the Royal family..

 

[Isana]

I don't think the press has really left her alone much in Leeds. Actually she has been pictured on campus frequently. It's just that because it's currently summer break (from June 13 - September 24) and she was in SA, we didn't get any pictures except for those her friends politely provided on facebook. I'm sure we'll get more pics once she's back at university. The term starts September 24. Otherwise I think here's simply less press about Chelsy because honestly -noone cares about her and Harry to the same extent they do with William and Kate (or whoever else he would be dating). Harry's wife won't be of great importance in the RF - maybe have the same status as the Duchess of Wessex has right now. William's wife on the other hand will become Queen so obviously people and the press pay much more attention. Chelsy was only good for scandal which she doesn't provide anymore so she became uninteresting for the press. So, IMO, it's not so much respect (not saying that she doesn't deserve respect for studying) but simply the fact that she doesn't sell papers.

 

[Mermaid1962]

If William gets very sick or is killed, Harry will be king. Even if Harry ends up being the king's brother, he'll be a very important figure until William's children grow up. He'll be William's "Princess Margaret."

Harry's wife won't be of great importance in the RF - maybe have the same status as the Duchess of Wessex has right now. William's wife on the other hand will become Queen so obviously people and the press pay much more attention.

 

[Incas]

The press will be looking for rivalry, real or imagined, between the brothers' wives much as they built up between Diana and Sarah, over everthing: figure, hair, makeup, fashion, children, and the list goes on and on.

On another note, it's Countess of Wessex. And even though Sophie only dated Edward while Diana was living. She was constantly dragged into comparisons with the ex-wives.

Harry's wife won't be of great importance in the RF - maybe have the same status as the Duchess of Wessex has right now.

 

[Jo of Palatine]

If you ask me, I don't think either that Chelsy would not be a fitting wife for a Prince of the UK and future Royal duke. But if Harry loves her and wants to marry her, he could do what the Danish princes did on marrying wifes who would not fit in with the idea of Royal princesses in DenmarK: get rid of their Royal titles and accept the title of Count - in this case the queen (or Charles, depends on who is souverain then) could issue letters patent that HRH Prince Henry of Wales will after his marriage to Miss Chelsy Davy be known as Henry Mountbatten-Windsor, First Earl of X, Viscount Y and Baron Z with the precedence of the younger son of a duke. So that Chelsy never becomes princess Chelsy for the media which would give them endless opportunities to ridicule the RF. Harry must not even drop out of the line of succession as you need not be HRH to have a place. And it would be better for Chelsy, too, because as Countess X she could easily practise law while as HRH The Duchess of Ahem she could not. And it would not change their private life/position in society overly much, Harry would still be the younger son of Charles and a member of the RF.

I would love to hear the discussions in the editing departments of the media about how to deal with the fact that while the RF would be downgrading the family (which they normally promote) but at the same time strip Diana's son of his HRH...

 

[muriel]

Without getting into the debate of whether Chelsy is a suitable bride for harry or not, or whether should or should not drop out of the line of succession, I would just like to make one point. Irrespective of how unsuitable a potential bride may be, the BRF should not create precedents where specific members of the royal family (not counting the heir to the throne, ala Duchess of Windsor) are demoted or their titles altered. If you go down this path, you will end up having a referendum run by the tabloids as to which potential bride is suitable and which is not. IMO a neater approach would be for the BRF to take a view fairly early on in relationships as to potential suitability as a potential member of the BRF.

 

[Menarue]

Prince Edwardand his wife are known as the Earl and Countess of Wessex and their children the normal style of an Earl´s son and daughter. Children of a Sovereign were always Royal Dukes or Royal Princes and their children received the title of Prince and Princess otherwise Prince Michael of Kent would never be a Prince, or come to think of it, the Princesses Beatrice and Eugenie wouldn´t either.
I believe that King Harald´s grandson has not got the title of Prince when he is the only son of the Crown Prince (so far). His sister is going to be Queen but he isn´t a Prince...this I find strange but perhaps there is a reason for this.

 

[Jo of Palatine]

Prince Edwardand his wife are known as the Earl and Countess of Wessex and their children the normal style of an Earl´s son and daughter. Children of a Sovereign were always Royal Dukes or Royal Princes and their children received the title of Prince and Princess otherwise Prince Michael of Kent would never be a Prince, or come to think of it, the Princesses Beatrice and Eugenie wouldn´t either.

It's in the monarch's discretion as the fount of all honour to grant or take away privileges for her family. Prince Edward did not want his children to be Prince/Princess of the Uk even though they were entitled to this rank due to letters patent of king George V. as they are, like Prince Michael of Kent, grandchildren of a souverain. So the present queen issued a new letters patent for her son. It remains to be seen what happens if the countess has another son - at the moment this boy would be simply Hon. Mr. Mountbatten-Windsor, as younger sons of earls don't have the courtesy title of "Lord Firstname Familyname" but are "The Honorable Mr. Firstname Familyname". It remains to be seen as well if king Charles will elevate his brother to a Royal Duke of Edinburgh once the time has come when it's possible to do so.

I believe that King Harald´s grandson has not got the title of Prince when he is the only son of the Crown Prince (so far). His sister is going to be Queen but he isn´t a Prince...this I find strange but perhaps there is a reason for this.

Sverre Magnus is Prince of Norway, but only with the style of His Highness instead of His Royal Highness. The style of Royal Highess is now reserved for the heir and his spouse and the heirs direct of the heir to the throne and their spouses.