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Old 03-01-2020, 11:31 AM
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I can't see how Harry didn't understand about the job, after being part of the Royal Family for over 30 years. He also understood that Chelsy Davy and Cressida Bonas both ended their relationships with him because they felt that they weren't suited to royal life ... which should have been all the more reason to make sure that Meghan knew exactly what was involved and that she was up for it. But something went wrong somewhere along the line, and we can't know what their original intentions were ... only that it now seems to be an ongoing muddle.
but it seems like he didn't. I think that neiher he nor Meg seemed to understand that its a job for life.. and that it isn't compatible with what they wanted to do. There's some excuse for Meghan.. but far less for him. I think they made a mistake in believing she would easily adapt to the job.. and perhaps to the UK.... and that they made a mistake in believing that they could do the job for a year or 2 and then "step back" from it and be part time. And Harry should have known that. So I think he should have made sure that his wife knew before her marriage what working life would be like as a Duchess and how it was for life and not something you could just decide to leave.. I felt at the time of the marriage that Meghan didn't really know what it would be like but when I expressed views like this I was told no, she was an intelligent woman, she knew what she was doing, she would be fine etc. But she does give the impression that she was not really aware of what to expect and was taken aback by it. if that's the case, then I feel sorry for her and feel that Harry should have made things clearer to her. and he should have known that Royal life isn't something you can be "part tiem" with, at their level.
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Old 03-01-2020, 11:47 AM
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How does it sound like Meghan? Do you know her? Have you witnessed behaviour like this from her before? If so please do tell because as an avid royal watcher myself, I havenít.
Iím allowed to have my opinion....and I believe much of what is out there about her. So yes, this sounds like Meghan based on reports Iíve read. Why is it that, for some people, itís necessary to have complete, absolute, 100% proof in order to believe something negative about her, but itís not necessary in order to believe something positive?

Do YOU know Meghan? Do YOU know that sheís incapable of this?

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According to the reports, if she does attend the Met Gala, she'll be doing what Princess Diana & Princess Beatrice have already done.



So this has all come originally from a "tipster" in a gossip magazine who uses the words "revenge" and "giving the middle finger". Nowhere is there any evidence whatsoever that these are Meghan's thoughts or intentions. It's a vicious circle where just about anybody can ascribe motives to Meghan, publish them, get them repeated and then people become outraged at what Meghan might be doing/thinking/plotting. It's utterly ridiculous.
Notice I said IF it were true...people keep skipping that IF

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Hardly.. a 'fly by night', [resident in the United Kingdom, for barely eighteen months], her long term effect on an institution hat has endured for nigh on a 1000 years will be zero..
The whole thing is ridiculous. People criticize Meghan, so those who defend her resort to hyperbole to make everyone criticizing her a ďhaterĒ. I defended her for a LONG time, just no one noticed my posts then...I liked her, was happy for Harry. Reports were that she actually bonded with Charles and encouraged Harry to spend more time with his father, to try and grow closer to him. I ate up all the photos I could of Meghan and Harry, of Meghan and Charles and/or Camilla...I imagine there are or were a lot of people out there like me. Then, things happen...and people change their minds.

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Actually, I'm not surprised one bit that Archie will remain in Canada and to me, its a wise decision to make at this time especially with the global threat of COVID-19 so rampant. It just makes sense to me that if Archie can stay safe and secure somewhere and not risk any kind of exposure, its the best move for him. I wouldn't take a child on an international flight now unless I absolutely had to.
As someone else said, but itís ok to expose his parents? If thatís the reason, I could buy it even so....but Iím not sure it is.

Iím set to vacation in England and Scotland in June - I guess I have a decision to make also, lol

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Permit me to be the Devil's advocate on this one and suggest a plausible reason for not to bringing Archie along.

The Corona virus.
While Corona poses no particular risk for an healthy adult, H&M may not wish to take a chance with their only child.
Being locked up inside a metal-tube for hours with other people is a great way to catch something.
It is plausible, but if itís true, youíd think the article would have mentioned it...especially since then the Queen, Philip and everyone else would completely understand, even if they were sad. Iím not ruling it out, though...
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Old 03-01-2020, 12:08 PM
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It is plausible, but if itís true, youíd think the article would have mentioned it...especially since then the Queen, Philip and everyone else would completely understand, even if they were sad. Iím not ruling it out, though...
Im sure they'll undertand. Does not mean they will not be sad however.
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Old 03-01-2020, 12:14 PM
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As someone else said, but itís ok to expose his parents? If thatís the reason, I could buy it even so....but Iím not sure it is.

Iím set to vacation in England and Scotland in June - I guess I have a decision to make also, lol
Well kinda. I know people who have cancelled or had events canceled on them without their control. I don't judge anyone on what they want to do about their lives especially voluntary travel.
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Old 03-01-2020, 12:17 PM
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I’m allowed to have my opinion....and I believe much of what is out there about her. So yes, this sounds like Meghan based on reports I’ve read. Why is it that, for some people, it’s necessary to have complete, absolute, 100% proof in order to believe something negative about her, but it’s not necessary in order to believe something positive?

Do YOU know Meghan? Do YOU know that she’s incapable of this?
I'm not asking for complete proof of your opinion in solid fact, I am asking you how you got to that opinion. You believe what they press write about her, that's your prerogative. It is my opinion, that what's written in the press is often twisted and warped to make a story fit the current narrative.

I have seen Meghan in public, with the people, and with charities she chose to support, and in real life what the press say seems the exact opposite of what she actually did.

Can I also just highlight as an FYI, the "" button next to the quote button, or the multi quote option on a mobile phone so posts are combined into one, instead of 5 consecutive posts.

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As someone else said, but it’s ok to expose his parents? If that’s the reason, I could buy it even so....but I’m not sure it is.

I’m set to vacation in England and Scotland in June - I guess I have a decision to make also, lol
Massive difference to exposing two healthy adults to a virus, to a small child who may or may not have had any immunisations to build up his system.
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Old 03-01-2020, 12:19 PM
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Im sure they'll undertand. Does not mean they will not be sad however.
Of course, but that would be a huge thing to leave out of an article...which instead now implies that thereís really no reason for it.

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Well kinda. I know people who have cancelled or had events canceled on them without their control. I don't judge anyone on what they want to do about their lives especially voluntary travel.
No, certainly not....I got nervous just reading about 80 people in my county who were quarantined just for the possibility of having contracted the virus; itís not like they were confirmed to have it. Generally I think that people can do whatever they want to as long as they arenít hurting anyone...

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I'm not asking for complete proof of your opinion in solid fact, I am asking you how you got to that opinion. You believe what they press write about her, that's your prerogative. It is my opinion, that what's written in the press is often twisted and warped to make a story fit the current narrative.

I have seen Meghan in public, with the people, and with charities she chose to support, and in real life what the press say seems the exact opposite of what she actually did.

Can I also just highlight as an FYI, the "" button next to the quote button, or the multi quote option on a mobile phone so posts are combined into one, instead of 5 consecutive posts.
I admit that ever since the Africa interview Iíve been inclined against her...and then that was bolstered by the January announcement. I donít ordinarily believe everything the media says, but this whole mess - starting with the announcement - as influenced me, I guess. The negative things we are hearing about Meghan with regards to the BRF seem so at odds with her relationship with them even as recently as months ago that I guess maybe I do need to rethink some things. Iím still unhappy about how she and Harry have handled this, though.

Oops, sorry - except I donít see that button on my IPad - Iíll check if I see a multi-quote option on my phone
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Old 03-01-2020, 12:24 PM
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Children seem immune to Corona and has not affected anyone under 10.
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Old 03-01-2020, 12:29 PM
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Children seem immune to Corona and has not affected anyone under 10.
They're certainly not immune, at least 9 children have been infected, possibly more.
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Old 03-01-2020, 12:43 PM
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It is plausible, but if itís true, youíd think the article would have mentioned it...especially since then the Queen, Philip and everyone else would completely understand, even if they were sad. Iím not ruling it out, though...
True.
But it can depend on the angling of the article. Not even the Times is above that anymore, sadly enough.
The second plausible explanation, from a detached point of view and based on resent events, is that there is indeed currently a complete breakdown in the personal relation between H&M and the main characters at least in the BRF.
You don't have to be royal for that to happen. I think most families have examples of that.
But I won't let go of Corona just yet. See responses below.

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Children seem immune to Corona and has not affected anyone under 10.
Perhaps, but parents tend to be pretty fuzzy about their children, especially the firstborn.
H&M will be on four long flights in close confinement with other people. Back and forth.
Having touched down in UK they will take part in events where they will be in contact with a lot of people.
That in a country where Corona is spreading. (No country is immune by now, each day planes lands with new cases in every European country.)
So the likelihood of H&M catching Corona is to be considered.
So I say there is IMO a understandable reason for not bringing their child along.

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They're certainly not immune, at least 9 children have been infected, possibly more.
Well, Lumutqueen confirmed my point.
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Old 03-01-2020, 12:57 PM
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Whether they bring the Child is obviously, entirely 'up to them'..

He is [in any case] unlikely to have much time to forge any kind of relationship with his Paternal Great-Grand-parents, [in terms of both his age/residence, and their age/residence].
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Old 03-01-2020, 12:59 PM
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They're certainly not immune, at least 9 children have been infected, possibly more.
All under one true but no one within Archie's location. That they may spread or carry it is unknown.

They may well be fearful. But what does it matter if they bring him. The royal family are busy anyway and are highly unlikely to see him. Many of them go to Windsor at Easter and that would be the perfect time to see the Queen.

But Covid 19 is hardly a reason to not bring him. Just wanting to leave him in his routine while you travel is. But then why bring him to South Adeica for 5 days or whatever it was.

To be honest if they are going to be away for two weeks Inwould bring him. But Meghan may only come for a few days and then there is no reason to bring him.
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Old 03-01-2020, 01:06 PM
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All under one true but no one within Archie's location. That they may spread or carry it is unknown.
Sorry but that's wrong again, there's 4 children in Germany, Kindergarten (aged 3 to 6) who have been infected as well as a 10 year old in China. Like I said, that's confirmed and known about cases as well.

Whilst I don't believe Covid-19 is the reason they might not bring Archie, it may well be a factor they have considered.
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Old 03-01-2020, 01:10 PM
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All under one true but no one within Archie's location. That they may spread or carry it is unknown.

They may well be fearful. But what does it matter if they bring him. The royal family are busy anyway and are highly unlikely to see him. Many of them go to Windsor at Easter and that would be the perfect time to see the Queen.

But Covid 19 is hardly a reason to not bring him. Just wanting to leave him in his routine while you travel is. But then why bring him to South Adeica for 5 days or whatever it was.

To be honest if they are going to be away for two weeks Inwould bring him. But Meghan may only come for a few days and then there is no reason to bring him.
Archie is under one...just like the other kids. He is currently in an area where there aren't reports of child having the virus and you indicate that it's not a good [to you] reason not to take him to the UK.

He is safe where he is, putting him on a commercial flight (because the media would lose their minds if they take a private flight) and expose him to people from other places that may or may not have the virus. That is not in Archie's best interest.
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Old 03-01-2020, 01:24 PM
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This is the perfect kind of story for the tabloids. Hard to disprove itís wrong. Meghan and Harry have managed to get in and out without being spotted many times. Unless Meghan is spotted in the airport and does or does not have the baby no one will know. Archie will not attend events with his parents. The airport is the only time we would see him. If he gets in the country unseen he could very well visit his great grandparents and grandpa without being seen.

The only reason itís at all believable to me is the corona virus and the risk. Which would be plenty of reason to not make the trip with him.

But of course people are only too happy to jump to the itís a middle finger to the royals angle.
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Old 03-01-2020, 01:28 PM
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Sorry but that's wrong again, there's 4 children in Germany, Kindergarten (aged 3 to 6) who have been infected as well as a 10 year old in China. Like I said, that's confirmed and known about cases as well.

Whilst I don't believe Covid-19 is the reason they might not bring Archie, it may well be a factor they have considered.
Well that is very new and shows how fast this is spreading but again it isn't a reason not to bring him. The Queen is more at risk than Archie as it appears worse for those 70 plus.

Charlotte and George's school have actually sent people home.

He isn't at any more risk than anyone else. Less really

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Archie is under one...just like the other kids. He is currently in an area where there aren't reports of child having the virus and you indicate that it's not a good [to you] reason not to take him to the UK.

He is safe where he is, putting him on a commercial flight (because the media would lose their minds if they take a private flight) and expose him to people from other places that may or may not have the virus. That is not in Archie's best interest.
Expose him to who. A flight in first class and then for him to stay at home with his nanny while his parents work. Hardly. It is not air born. In which case I would say definitely dont fly.

If they want to leave him at home. Fine. I dont see why it is an issue or for people to say it is because of Covid 19.
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Old 03-01-2020, 01:31 PM
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Do YOU know Meghan? Do YOU know that sheís incapable of this?

I give her the benefit of the doubt.
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Old 03-01-2020, 01:46 PM
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Actually, I'm not surprised one bit that Archie will remain in Canada and to me, its a wise decision to make at this time especially with the global threat of COVID-19 so rampant. It just makes sense to me that if Archie can stay safe and secure somewhere and not risk any kind of exposure, its the best move for him. I wouldn't take a child on an international flight now unless I absolutely had to.
That was my immediate concern as well. Their baby is less than a year old. The stories about the rapid international spread of this virus are becoming truly alarming.

It is very sad for the PoW and especially the very aged Queen and DoE i agree. I hope arrangements can be made fairly quickly for them to be able to spend time with him soon.
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Expose him to who. A flight in first class and then for him to stay at home with his nanny while his parents work. Hardly. It is not air born. In which case I would say definitely dont fly.

If they want to leave him at home. Fine. I dont see why it is an issue or for people to say it is because of Covid 19.
1. Meghan and Harry have never said they aren't bringing Archie nor have they given a reason as to why they wouldn't and they don't have to simply being his parents and not wanting to bring him is good enough. But that hasn't stopped people from criticizing them. It is the media and fans/foes who are guessing why.

2. First class people get sick as well other passengers just like everyone else.
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Old 03-01-2020, 02:51 PM
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The only thing that would help with first class is not such close proximity to others. But you would still face certain levels of exposure.

But agreed them not bringing Archie is not confirmed only speculation.

Though sad to not see him, the queen and Charles would fully understand if they left him home due to virus concerns. There will be other visits. They will want him healthy and safe.
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The only thing that would help with first class is not such close proximity to others. But you would still face certain levels of exposure.

But agreed them not bringing Archie is not confirmed only speculation.

Though sad to not see him, the queen and Charles would fully understand if they left him home due to virus concerns. There will be other visits. They will want him healthy and safe.
I dont think it matters if they bring him or not. I think people are still struggling with the whole au revoir thing to be honest. But it is what it is.

I am concentrating on the fact it is the last time we will see Harry in public with the royal family. I mean I am still struggling to see how this will work. Bea's wedding. Yes I guess it is personal but the official Birthday of the Queen. The VE day celebrations. Archie doesn't come into it for me. He is a private citizen ala the Phillip's and Tindall girls.
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