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Old 08-04-2019, 10:10 AM
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Happy Birthday, Meghan! And congratulations on a successful run as guest editor!
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Old 08-04-2019, 11:02 AM
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My personal guess is that HM agreed to Meghan editing the British Vogue. Would she have done it herself - no, you're right here. But she surely supported Meghan's decision, because let's face it: Maghan and Harry talk to HM, especially once they have a project that is sooo publicily available. I don't think either HM or The Prince of Wales were against it. They probably even agreed to her choices for the cover pic. THE RF protects what is theirs: sometimes with actions, but at any time with advice. Meghan appears top me as a person who is very much listenting to advice from HM and Charles.



I don't agree with the fact that "minor Royals" should be quieter than the major ones in direct line. These are people who know who they are - and what they can get away with. I don't think it would have been okay for Catherine to edit Vogue. Because she one day will be the female symbol of the institution. But Meghan is "just" the Duchess of Sussex and will never hold a highert title (apart from being the wife of the king's second son one day) and this is exactly a job that's fitting for a modern Royal.



Thus far, Meghan has not yet caused a scandal, even if the rags tend to claim that every week and at least I have yet to see negative character traits of her besides being work-driven and with a clear stand on how her life should be within the Royal parameters. She uses the freedom she and Harry have in a wise way and that makes me like her. But then I loved Princess Diana and Prince Charles, even though I knew what they did to each other. But that didn't include me while their public work had a positive impact on the world around me. And that's what counts for me.
Kate has guest-edited before--and Huffpo as a 'news' site (really more of an opinion site IMO) is very political and partisan, even. Charles has also guest-edited and talked about climate change in Country Life. William has appeared on magazine covers, including for the LGBT community.

I think folks chalk a lot up to position in the family when that is shown time and time again to have little bearing on what the royals do or not. A lot more has to do with the individual royal's personality, interests, etc., than position.

I also don't think the Queen signs off personally on most projects the family does especially not these days. Like any CEO type figure, I think if something is a major, major thing, she will be briefed. But it wouldn't shock me if Meghan doing Vogue wasn't something she was briefed about until later/would feel the need to give approval on. Not saying this is for sure what happened, just that I think the Queen is largely hands-off unless something is of immediate concern. But maybe Meghan told her while over tea at Windsor or maybe the Queen was briefed about every bit lol! But it wouldn't shock me if she wasn't until it was ready to be released.

The younger royals in particular (BOTH couples) seem to especially have a great deal more autonomy that they protect fiercely.
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Old 08-04-2019, 11:50 AM
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There *is* a solution if you think you know someone or a cause that should be highlighted by The Duke and Duchess of Sussex. They're asking for suggestions and its open until tomorrow under "Who is your force for change?"

I've already submitted someone and so can you. They're involving their followers in this. Its interactive. Its a way to use your voice and there must be a whole lot of good people doing good works out there because there have been a whole lot of responses.

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Old 08-04-2019, 12:08 PM
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Kate has guest-edited before--and Huffpo as a 'news' site (really more of an opinion site IMO) is very political and partisan, even. Charles has also guest-edited and talked about climate change in Country Life. William has appeared on magazine covers, including for the LGBT community.

I think folks chalk a lot up to position in the family when that is shown time and time again to have little bearing on what the royals do or not. A lot more has to do with the individual royal's personality, interests, etc., than position.

I also don't think the Queen signs off personally on most projects the family does especially not these days. Like any CEO type figure, I think if something is a major, major thing, she will be briefed. But it wouldn't shock me if Meghan doing Vogue wasn't something she was briefed about until later/would feel the need to give approval on. Not saying this is for sure what happened, just that I think the Queen is largely hands-off unless something is of immediate concern. But maybe Meghan told her while over tea at Windsor or maybe the Queen was briefed about every bit lol! But it wouldn't shock me if she wasn't until it was ready to be released.

The younger royals in particular (BOTH couples) seem to especially have a great deal more autonomy that they protect fiercely.
Yes, to all of this. Meghan guest editing is completely non-controversial, since there is plenty of precedent for it, and I am 100% sure that there will be more stints like this by other BRF members in the future.

I also see no evidence that the Queen signs off on each and every thing the other members of the family do (or wear, which we've seen suggested on some threads). She'd hardly have time for anything else if she did, and she clearly has better ways to spend her time.
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Kate has guest-edited before--and Huffpo as a 'news' site (really more of an opinion site IMO) is very political and partisan, even. Charles has also guest-edited and talked about climate change in Country Life. William has appeared on magazine covers, including for the LGBT community.

I think folks chalk a lot up to position in the family when that is shown time and time again to have little bearing on what the royals do or not. A lot more has to do with the individual royal's personality, interests, etc., than position.

I also don't think the Queen signs off personally on most projects the family does especially not these days. Like any CEO type figure, I think if something is a major, major thing, she will be briefed. But it wouldn't shock me if Meghan doing Vogue wasn't something she was briefed about until later/would feel the need to give approval on. Not saying this is for sure what happened, just that I think the Queen is largely hands-off unless something is of immediate concern. But maybe Meghan told her while over tea at Windsor or maybe the Queen was briefed about every bit lol! But it wouldn't shock me if she wasn't until it was ready to be released.

The younger royals in particular (BOTH couples) seem to especially have a great deal more autonomy that they protect fiercely.

The problem with guest editing is that the choices you form an opinion and no Royal should have an opinion on hot button topics. LGBT is not a hot button topic in the UK, in that people aren't trying to restrict the rights of those people. There is some controversy about education and religious backgrounds though. Will's cover didn't seem to me political at all. There is a majority consensus about homosexuality.

Kate's Huffington Post edit was 'The content will draw attention to the inspiring work being done by parents, teachers, young people and researchers around the country.' again, not political.

Charles' Country Life? Unless he called lupins socialist, not political. He saves that for his letters!

Meghan is interviewing Michelle Obama, former First Lady who the current White House has set themselves up as in opposition to. And she is promoting the PM of New Zealand, a country the Queen reigns over, in which HM has an official opposition. So its not the act of the editing Vogue, but the content. I'm not sure Meghan particularly is interested in the usual Royal uncontroversial charitable fare, children, the ill or disabled, animals, and the military. Not to say she's not interested in those types of people but she prefers to focus on women and diversity so far.
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Old 08-04-2019, 12:47 PM
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Yes, to all of this. Meghan guest editing is completely non-controversial, since there is plenty of precedent for it, and I am 100% sure that there will be more stints like this by other BRF members in the future.

I also see no evidence that the Queen signs off on each and every thing the other members of the family do (or wear, which we've seen suggested on some threads). She'd hardly have time for anything else if she did, and she clearly has better ways to spend her time.
I know that each and every thing that any of the BRF do that appear in the Court Circular representing the Queen is A-OK'd by HM but not every single thing that royals do for their own charities and patronages. Taking certain charities and patronages may need to be OK'd by HM but that's why they have staff that communicates between the households. I do think the Queen takes a big interest in what her family is doing and getting into and stays on top of everything to do with the monarchy.

I'm going to go out on a limb here and state that I believe that the Queen is very pleased with how Meghan is fitting into the family and her royal role. If there was something seriously amiss, she'd put a quick kibosh on it. She's been innovative herself as far as doing things "outside the box" such as the mic drop video with the Obamas for the Invictus Games and her stunt double jumping out of a helicopter to open up the Olympic Games. Personally, I like the "outside the box" things. They're fresh and new and innovative and get people talking and stay remembered for a long time.
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Old 08-04-2019, 04:06 PM
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This is moving stuff from Matt Haig
https://www.instagram.com/p/B0thflqAB8x/
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Got home to some unusual mail, amid all the bills and magazines.

An envelope from Kensington Palace.

HRH Duchess Meghan called me a ‘force for change’ and now I can die happy.

This year is beyond anything I imagined, years ago, getting rejection after rejection from publishers.

I would love to go back in time and tell my young hopeless suicidal self about all of this magic to stay alive for.

Persist. (I have now enrolled for handwriting classes.)

Meghan makes this world brighter for so many people


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Old 08-04-2019, 04:28 PM
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This is moving stuff from Matt Haig
https://www.instagram.com/p/B0thflqAB8x/

Meghan makes this world brighter for so many people


A lovely note

And a reminder to those complaints that Meghan didn't include men.....she did. Yes the cover focussed on women, but the magazine goes well beyond the cover.

Matt Haig is a gifted poet and writer. Not only was his poem included by Meghan on positive body image, but he is a vocal figure on mental health.



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Meghan is interviewing Michelle Obama, former First Lady who the current White House has set themselves up as in opposition to. And she is promoting the PM of New Zealand, a country the Queen reigns over, in which HM has an official opposition. So its not the act of the editing Vogue, but the content. I'm not sure Meghan particularly is interested in the usual Royal uncontroversial charitable fare, children, the ill or disabled, animals, and the military. Not to say she's not interested in those types of people but she prefers to focus on women and diversity so far.

There isn't the 'usual charitable fare'. All royals have their own passions and things to take on.

And if you don't think that the other royals have taken on topics that are controversial:
-Charles certainly has caused a lot of stir on his political pressure over green energy
-Camilla has taken on domestic violence
-the fantastic four are taking on mental health issues
-Eugenie is taking on human trafficking


And other then choosing a former first lady, what exactly is controversial about the topics she chose???

Meghan's patronages:

-Association of commonwealth universities: education, very popular royal topic, queen's own patronage
-The royal theater: arts, again a very popular royal topic, again queen's own patronage
-Mayhew- animals, something you mentioned, shelters a common royal theme such as Camilla
-Smart Works- helping women prepare for job interviews and get back into things
-queen's commonwealth ambassador- very much the royal prerogative


There is nothing wrong or controvercial on focussing on women. And certainly the only patronage she has that focusses on women is Smart Works. The theater, animal shelter, commonwealth universities all focus on men and women. As does her support of the heads together campaign with Harry and Cambridges.
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Old 08-04-2019, 05:48 PM
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Such a wonderful article. Meghan has made such a huge impact already and continues to do so.
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Old 08-04-2019, 05:56 PM
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The problem with guest editing is that the choices you form an opinion and no Royal should have an opinion on hot button topics. LGBT is not a hot button topic in the UK, in that people aren't trying to restrict the rights of those people. There is some controversy about education and religious backgrounds though. Will's cover didn't seem to me political at all. There is a majority consensus about homosexuality.

Kate's Huffington Post edit was 'The content will draw attention to the inspiring work being done by parents, teachers, young people and researchers around the country.' again, not political.

Charles' Country Life? Unless he called lupins socialist, not political. He saves that for his letters!

Meghan is interviewing Michelle Obama, former First Lady who the current White House has set themselves up as in opposition to. And she is promoting the PM of New Zealand, a country the Queen reigns over, in which HM has an official opposition. So its not the act of the editing Vogue, but the content. I'm not sure Meghan particularly is interested in the usual Royal uncontroversial charitable fare, children, the ill or disabled, animals, and the military. Not to say she's not interested in those types of people but she prefers to focus on women and diversity so far.
I will need to tell my LGBT friends in the UK that face homophobia everyday in the UK that there is apparently a "consensus" on the issue so all is good. William actually touched on this recently himself.

Charles' Country Life cover(s) also touched on climate change--a hot button issue even in the UK with lots of people calling climate change activists "alarmists" and "extremists." Charles has long been called political including on this issue.

Kate's HuffPo stint included an article from Michelle Obama who was FLOTUS at the time and thus in a political position versus Meghan asking Michelle (forever FLOTUS in my heart though she is) while she is only a former FLOTUS now. So again, not controversial. William interviewed Jacinda at Davos about mental health...I again didn't see any hand wringing about that.

And I am not going to keep going down this vein. But it should be noted, that many of the 'traditional' BRF issue areas you highlighted as her not being into she HAS done things for or have a patronage in. In fact for Vogue, some of the people she picked for the cover focus on those very areas.
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I will need to tell my LGBT friends in the UK that face homophobia everyday in the UK that there is apparently a "consensus" on the issue so all is good.

Charles' Country Life cover(s) also touched on climate change--a hot button issue even in the UK with lots of people calling climate change activists "alarmists" and "extremists." Charles has long been called political including on this issue.

Kate's HuffPo stint included an article from Michelle Obama who WAS FLOTUS at the time and thus in a political position versus Meghan asking Michelle (forever FLOTUS in my heart though she is) while she is only a former FLOTUS now. SO again, not controversial. William interviewed Jacinda at Davos about mental health...I again didn't see any hand wringing about that.

And I am not going to keep going down this vein. But it should be noted, that many of the 'traditional' BRF issue areas you highlighted as her not being into she HAS done things for or have a patronage in. In fact for Vogue, some of the people she picked for the cover focus on those very areas.
I agree. Especially with your point on LGBT+ - I have a transgender friend who is too scared to go out in public with his partner for fear of transphobic comments on a daily basis. And let's not even start on his own family, who refuse to refer to him by his new name. He's just one of the many examples of LGBT+ people here in the UK who experience daily homophobia. Homeless members of the community are increasing and only recently we had two young girls who got attacked because they refused to kiss in front of a group of drunken teens on the bus. So, I think this is a hot-topic and rightly so, because we need to address homophobia and casual homophobia that is still very prevalent in British society. Whilst the UK seems more accepting as LGBT+ couples can now marry freely, socially a lot of people still hold conservative views about the community. I don't know from first hand experiences but as I said, I have a lot of LGBT+ friends who have.
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Old 08-04-2019, 06:04 PM
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Yes, to all of this. Meghan guest editing is completely non-controversial, since there is plenty of precedent for it, and I am 100% sure that there will be more stints like this by other BRF members in the future.

I also see no evidence that the Queen signs off on each and every thing the other members of the family do (or wear, which we've seen suggested on some threads). She'd hardly have time for anything else if she did, and she clearly has better ways to spend her time.
Precisely! She would be a rather busy lady if she had to personally review and sign off on all the family's various projects.

I am sure for bigger things she does sign off. Something like Invictus which is a massive undertaking and involves foreign governments, military, etc., she probably did give approval for.

Vogue cover? Maybe not (cool though I think the whole thing has been!)

And I also want to take a moment to wish the Duchess a happy birthday! Harry's little note on IG was extremely cute. Meghan should be proud of what she has accomplished in the past year. I look forward to even more going forward!
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Old 08-04-2019, 07:18 PM
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Precisely! She would be a rather busy lady if she had to personally review and sign off on all the family's various projects.

I am sure for bigger things she does sign off. Something like Invictus which is a massive undertaking and involves foreign governments, military, etc., she probably did give approval for.

Vogue cover? Maybe not (cool though I think the whole thing has been!)
H&M live in the backyard of HM, so I can imagine The Queen dropping by (e.g. for an avocado toast ) when she enjoys horse-riding. They can also bump to each other in the park. She could be better informed than we think
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If I was in pr I would say everything they have done to “ do it their way” has created giant interest in the Sussex couple. You name it from not wearing normal maternity clothes to the name, the baptism, the support privacy issues, number of child, I can’t keep count and this is only six months. I have stopped playing along, I don’t care, I do remember when fergie was the darling and how that evolved. If you wanted to be left alone you would be dull, dull, and not rock the boat. Check out the glousters, the queens cousins, who has heard of them? Good bye, eager news flash royalty
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Everything Sussexes do, or don't do, will be news, and if not on its own, Piers Morgan and Daily mail will turn it into a controversy, and then other publications pick that up, and it becomes a big story.

I'd like to add, that Matt Haig, who was thrilled to have part of his book in the Vogue edition, tweeted that he had received noticeable increase in negative trolls on social media after that. He even had a negative, based on false information too, article written about him, because a magazine wanted to have a go at Meghan. Which makes me 100% support Archie's godparents wanting their names kept out of public.
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That handwriting is to die for.
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Old 08-05-2019, 05:27 AM
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A lovely note

And a reminder to those complaints that Meghan didn't include men.....she did. Yes the cover focussed on women, but the magazine goes well beyond the cover.

Matt Haig is a gifted poet and writer. Not only was his poem included by Meghan on positive body image, but he is a vocal figure on mental health.






There isn't the 'usual charitable fare'. All royals have their own passions and things to take on.

And if you don't think that the other royals have taken on topics that are controversial:
-Charles certainly has caused a lot of stir on his political pressure over green energy
-Camilla has taken on domestic violence
-the fantastic four are taking on mental health issues
-Eugenie is taking on human trafficking


And other then choosing a former first lady, what exactly is controversial about the topics she chose???

Meghan's patronages:

-Association of commonwealth universities: education, very popular royal topic, queen's own patronage
-The royal theater: arts, again a very popular royal topic, again queen's own patronage
-Mayhew- animals, something you mentioned, shelters a common royal theme such as Camilla
-Smart Works- helping women prepare for job interviews and get back into things
-queen's commonwealth ambassador- very much the royal prerogative


There is nothing wrong or controvercial on focussing on women. And certainly the only patronage she has that focusses on women is Smart Works. The theater, animal shelter, commonwealth universities all focus on men and women. As does her support of the heads together campaign with Harry and Cambridges.
I don't think any of those patronages have a political element though. Charles at one time perhaps with his green agenda but there is a consensus about climate change here. This isn't the States, there is no mainstream climate denial. What Charles gets into trouble for is trying to impress his ideas on politicians without public scrutiny or a constitutional mandate.

There is also no political controversy over domestic violence. Everyone believes domestic violence is wrong.

There is no political controversy over mental health and that falls in the traditional royal arena of sickness and disability. No one is going to argue they shouldn't be highlighting that.

Eugenie isn't a working Royal on the tax penny but still, you won't find anyone in this country saying that human trafficking is a controversial subject.

You can't compare these things to promoting the Prime Minister of New Zealand.

I'm a feminist but I know that feminism isn't a safe topic. Its political by nature. If you are campaigning for equal rights and opportunities you need a political element.
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Old 08-05-2019, 05:52 AM
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I don't think any of those patronages have a political element though. Charles at one time perhaps with his green agenda but there is a consensus about climate change here. This isn't the States, there is no mainstream climate denial. What Charles gets into trouble for is trying to impress his ideas on politicians without public scrutiny or a constitutional mandate.

There is also no political controversy over domestic violence. Everyone believes domestic violence is wrong.

There is no political controversy over mental health and that falls in the traditional royal arena of sickness and disability. No one is going to argue they shouldn't be highlighting that.

Eugenie isn't a working Royal on the tax penny but still, you won't find anyone in this country saying that human trafficking is a controversial subject.

You can't compare these things to promoting the Prime Minister of New Zealand.

I'm a feminist but I know that feminism isn't a safe topic. Its political by nature. If you are campaigning for equal rights and opportunities you need a political element.


So LGBT rights are a done and dusted issue so it's fine for William to pose on the cover of Attitude, Harry can try to break the stigma of AIDS by getting tests publicly done but feminism is so controversial 100 years after women got the vote that Meghan should probably not mention the word ever? Hmm....


I think things like climate change are more accepted in the UK than they are in the US for example but I don't think it's an uncontroversial issue and it certainly was when Charles started. He's credited with helping get people talking, why can't Meghan be credited with some other things? "Feminist" and empowering girls and women also covers much of the ground Camilla and Eugenie (and Sophie) are talking about as well. Many of the women featured aren't exactly bra burning, they're campaigning for rape victims, domestic violence victims, FGM victims, education and breaking the mould of what is "beautiful".


Mental health is still regarded as a taboo subject in the UK, that's why Heads Together and Princes William and Harry talking about their struggles are so important. It's not an inherently political subject but it is when they talk about funding, which they have done. William interviewed Jacinda Arden at Davos on the subject, should he have stayed away from her, lest that be seen as political or interviewed her opposite number as well?


I personally have no problems with Kate Guest Editing The Huffington Post but it's 100% more inherently political (and liberal and feminist) in it's agenda than any Vogue feature with JA or Michelle Obama, who were one of many. Just say Huff Po and people already have an opinion good or bad.
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Old 08-05-2019, 05:55 AM
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Ah . . . what a thing of beauty. To receive an envelope in the mail, with a beautifully enscribed address on gorgeous stationary is a wonderful treat. Each year for me sees the arrival of just such an envelope, enclosing a totally personalised Christmas Card enscribed with just such a hand.

Finding such a joy in your mailbox is a treat in this Twitter world. My regret is that I can no longer reciprocate in kind. I shattered my wrist and can no longer form those wonderful letters. Calligraphy, sadly, is a vanishing art taking time and thought most people don't have time for.

I know how much time, thought and work goes into such gestures and am inspired by Mehan's commitment to keep up such personal acts which, until her marriage, were her personal trademark. When you think of the amount of time and the sheer scale of such gestures in her new reality you cannot help but admire her.
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I love the fact, that Meghan still sends these thoughtful, personal, handwritten notes to people to thank them. A wonderful, heartworming gesture.
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