General News about the Sussex Family, Part One: May 2019 - March 2020

[Dman]

I hope everyone know that we’ll be seeing Archie on the South African Tour and we not that long ago got pictures of Archie at his christening. He also made his public debut at his father’s polo match. Christmas pictures will be coming up, too.

 

[irish_royalist]

I am much more disappointed, that Ellen DeGeneres has visited Little Archie and says, he looks like Prince Harry!
https://edition.cnn.com/2019/09/09/entertainment/ellen-royal-baby/index.html

Because I can not say that. I have not really seen him yet.

It seems strange to me that DeGeneres would discuss this visit in her 'talk-show', when H&M are so careful to maintain the privacy of their family life.
Surely, if she were a true friend, she would know that these visits should be kept private and between themselves as friends?
Especially when H&M are so careful to protect Archie from any sort of media intrusion.

 

[Ista]

I'm looking forward to seeing photos of Archie, but I think it remains to be seen if the Sussexes decide to allow him to be photographed in South Africa--and then if they do, I'm sure there will be some criticism that he was out in public in South Africa, but not in the UK. If I recall correctly, the Cambridges were similarly criticized during their Australia tour with George.

I also think the Christmas photos are far from a foregone conclusion. It will be nice if we get them, but I don't think anything is guaranteed.

 

[Osipi]

Now I know its totally off the wall and probably never will happen but I'd love to see a photo of Archie in a little dashiki. That would be so cute!

We'll see what happens. I'm starting to look forward to this tour. ?

 

[BaiSoSo]

The british public has not seen much of him, either. In the current anti-climate of the royal watcher press it does not help that varous celebrity friends tell their insider tale and defend the couple on every opportunity. Sometimes
'keep quiet' is a better approach but I guess H&M exactly like it like that. Their closeness to celebrity culture is the biggest problem going forward, IMO.

I don't get it, the baby just turned 4 months this past week. How many pictures does the public think they are due? There are 5 released pictures/videos of the baby (introduction 5/8/19, baby toes for US mother's day, eyes and resting in his father arms for father's day, 2 different poses for his christening both full face). And one paparazzi video/picture from Harry's polo event with different angles.

How much did we see of Louis in his first 4 months?

As for the African tour and Christmas cards. I hope that H&M follow their instincts and do what they feel comfortable with. They have made it very clear that their child isn't going to be used a prop for publicity.

 

[HereditaryPrincess]

I don't get it, the baby just turned 4 months this past week. How many pictures does the public think they are due? There are 5 released pictures/videos of the baby (introduction 5/8/19, baby toes for US mother's day, eyes and resting in his father arms for father's day, 2 different poses for his christening both full face). And one paparazzi video/picture from Harry's polo event with different angles.

How much did we see of Louis in his first 4 months?

As for the African tour and Christmas cards. I hope that H&M follow their instincts and do what they feel comfortable with. They have made it very clear that their child isn't going to be used a prop for publicity.

I agree - however, there has been a strong anti-monarchy feeling here in the UK lately due to the whole Brexit disaster, so I do think that a down-to-earth (without being too invasive, of course) photo of the couple with Archie together would be a good thing IMO. I think the anti-monarchist feelings seemed to die down slightly after Charlotte's first day of school, or on social media at least, because most people with an interest were happy to see photos of the Cambridge children (especially Charlotte, who has captured most of us with her cheeky personality!).
If we weren't in the climate British society is currently in, I would normally agree 100% since we haven't seen much, as you have pointed out, of Archie's cousin Louis, and since his parents are in a more significant position succession wise, why should the Sussexes feel Archie must be seen more?

 

[Ish]

I agree - however, there has been a strong anti-monarchy feeling here in the UK lately due to the whole Brexit disaster, so I do think that a down-to-earth (without being too invasive, of course) photo of the couple with Archie together would be a good thing IMO. I think the anti-monarchist feelings seemed to die down slightly after Charlotte's first day of school, or on social media at least, because most people with an interest were happy to see photos of the Cambridge children (especially Charlotte, who has captured most of us with her cheeky personality!).
If we weren't in the climate British society is currently in, I would normally agree 100% since we haven't seen much, as you have pointed out, of Archie's cousin Louis, and since his parents are in a more significant position succession wise, why should the Sussexes feel Archie must be seen more?

So the Sussexes should put their 4 month old on display in order to counter republican sentiment owing to something the Prime Minister has done?

That just screams entirely of pandering and I think will set the Sussexes up for further criticism. By not releasing photos willy-nilly they’re following the same precedent set by the Cambridges (who typically only release official photos a few times a year and only have the kids do a handful of public events a year) and so any criticism of “hiding” Archie they receive now can easily be dismissed with a “well, the Cambridge’s did the same.” If they start going “anti-monarchy sentiment is high, better pull out Archie” now, they set themselves up to have to use him in such a way for his whole life.

We’ve actually seen more of Archie at 4 months than we saw of George, Charlotte, or Louis at the same age.

 

[Somebody]

I'm looking forward to seeing photos of Archie, but I think it remains to be seen if the Sussexes decide to allow him to be photographed in South Africa--and then if they do, I'm sure there will be some criticism that he was out in public in South Africa, but not in the UK. If I recall correctly, the Cambridges were similarly criticized during their Australia tour with George.

Exactly, typically the moment to take pictures of a royal child on tour are arrival and departure and precisely those moments have already been announced as 'without cameras'. So, I am not counting on any pictures. If there are some that's would be a bonus.

 

[Hallo girl]

To be honest I have seen very little evidence recently of the UK public demanding photographs of Archie. I agree there was fuss earlier but not now. Until Ellen Degeneres did her story about seeing Archie I have not seen him mentioned. So who is to blame for that.

 

[HereditaryPrincess]

General News about the Sussex Family, Part One: May 2019 -

So the Sussexes should put their 4 month old on display in order to counter republican sentiment owing to something the Prime Minister has done?

That just screams entirely of pandering and I think will set the Sussexes up for further criticism. By not releasing photos willy-nilly they’re following the same precedent set by the Cambridges (who typically only release official photos a few times a year and only have the kids do a handful of public events a year) and so any criticism of “hiding” Archie they receive now can easily be dismissed with a “well, the Cambridge’s did the same.” If they start going “anti-monarchy sentiment is high, better pull out Archie” now, they set themselves up to have to use him in such a way for his whole life.

We’ve actually seen more of Archie at 4 months than we saw of George, Charlotte, or Louis at the same age.

I knew I’d get some criticism because of this and I tried to word it in the best way possible so people would try to disagree with me in a less aggressive manner. I apologise for accusing you of such, and for constantly saying this, but I’m getting a little tired of bracing myself and getting anxious about responses whenever I post an opinion. Doesn’t strike me as very fair and civil for a discussion forum - yes, you have a right to disagree, but to do so in a less pedantic manner would be much appreciated.

I think you knew that I didn’t mean ALL the time, that would be excessive. I specifically said in this *current* climax perhaps it’s what the public needs. The Sussexes don’t have to feel the need to make the public happy all the time, but us Brits have been in a funny mood regarding the monarchy over the past couple of weeks, so I feel like it would give everyone a break! You’re acting as if I said they have to state “oh, we’re posting this because we want it to be all sunshine and rainbows to stop you from blaming us for Brexit” or something on their Instagram, which I’m obviously not suggesting they should do: just a discreet photo with a normal caption. That’s all.

I admit it sounds a bit silly but the truth is that Meghan and Harry are public figures and have helped the royal family gain a lot of younger fans and other fans who may not have been so interested before Meghan came into the scene. Call me a Meghan lover, naïve or whatever, but it’s true - I can speak from personal experience as a younger person with friends who hated the BRF beforehand but have now become more interested in the whole of the Windsor’s because they feel more relatable towards them because of Meghan. Whilst it wouldn’t stamp out every anti monarchist as everyone has a right to opinions, I do think a photo such as the one I described would boost Sussex PR. That’s all I was trying to say with my bad explaining.

 

[Tarlita]

I'm glad she's able to support her friends, maintain them, and be there for her friends for their huge career moments. I'm glad the royal life isn't preventing her from being a loyal, supportive, present friend. This wasn't just a tennis match. It was a huge moment to Serena, and I loved that Meghan was able to travel to support her.

I absolutely agree with you Coco.

I also don't see that H&M have done anything wrong this summer. I find it wrong for anyone to criticize these private plane flights when no one knows the details about these flights.

Such as the private plane may have been carrying a load anyway to the same destination or on route.
I find it very unfair the constant critcizism when ALL the details are unknown and neither should they be.

I hope they thoroughly enjoyed their summer.

 

[DeeT]

I’m British and very much respect Harry & Meghan’s choice on how much they want to show their baby in public. If people would pay attention to actual project work, they’d see the positive & helpful work the Sussexes are doing. If one ignores tabloid nonsense & pay attention to the actual charities, it’s easy to see the impactful work.

It was amazing to see Prince Harry today, celebrating the 5th anniversary & amazing success of The Invictus Games and all that it has done to help service people and their families from around the world.

Meghan will be back with a public engagement on Thursday with a terrific project helping women get back into the workforce, while also boosting sales for local retailers; a positive affect for many others, young & old, near & far. And much appreciated, especially in this climate of instability.

 

[duchessrachel]

The british public has not seen much of him, either. In the current anti-climate of the royal watcher press it does not help that varous celebrity friends tell their insider tale and defend the couple on every opportunity. Sometimes
'keep quiet' is a better approach but I guess H&M exactly like it like that. Their closeness to celebrity culture is the biggest problem going forward, IMO.

I have always thought that friends of royals are supposed to keep their mouths shut. The celebrities surrounding M & H don't seem to be able to do that. Also, the friends of royals are usually so discrete that the public hardly knows who they are. If M & H truly want privacy then I would think they would not want Ellen talking about her visit with them, since it was a private visit. Maybe they don't like that she did, but given the celebrities who have already defended them, you would think that they would have gotten the word out to their celebrity friends to cease talking about them.

 

[BaiSoSo]

I have always thought that friends of royals are supposed to keep their mouths shut. The celebrities surrounding M & H don't seem to be able to do that. Also, the friends of royals are usually so discrete that the public hardly knows who they are. If M & H truly want privacy then I would think they would not want Ellen talking about her visit with them, since it was a private visit. Maybe they don't like that she did, but given the celebrities who have already defended them, you would think that they would have gotten the word out to their celebrity friends to cease talking about them.

Friends have spoken out on behalf of the royals many times a host of documentaries will show that.

 

[Pranter]

As far as friends of the Royals not supposed to talk...we have seen that this does happen (Charles's friends, Diana's friends etc etc) so hardly anything new.



LaRae

 

[Countessmeout]

I dont see how Ellen is any different then Rodger Federer discussing giving George a tennis lesson and how he is a natural at it. David Beckham has made comments about the Cambridges as future parents. Certainly the Sussexes are not the only one whose famous friends have talked about them.

Now I know its totally off the wall and probably never will happen but I'd love to see a photo of Archie in a little dashiki. That would be so cute!

We'll see what happens. I'm starting to look forward to this tour.

I doubt we will see them in any cultural clothes unless a gift from the country they visit. Archie and his parents included.

 

[Cocoasneeze]

The british public has not seen much of him, either. In the current anti-climate of the royal watcher press it does not help that varous celebrity friends tell their insider tale and defend the couple on every opportunity. Sometimes
'keep quiet' is a better approach but I guess H&M exactly like it like that. Their closeness to celebrity culture is the biggest problem going forward, IMO.

Celebrities have ALWAYS told their insider tales about meeting the royals. It's not only reserved to Meghan and Harry. Ed Sheeran told on graham norton about Bea "knighting" him. Sport players have talked about meeting Will. The royals have ALWAYS been tied to celebrities. If it annoys people, that celebrities have positive things to say about Harry and Meghan, well that's just tough.

And the British public has seen as much of Archie as they did of other royal babies when they were 4 months old.

 

[Hallo girl]

As far as friends of the Royals not supposed to talk...we have seen that this does happen (Charles's friends, Diana's friends etc etc) so hardly anything new.



LaRae

In the two examples you have used it caused untold problems. Having friends speaking out doesn't help anybody. Private should mean private.

 

[Curryong]

Absolutely, Cocoasneeze. The Beckhams and Roger Federer are known to be close to the Cambridges. Eddie Redmayne is as well. Emma Thompson has spoken about her friendship with Prince Charles several times.

Besides which, Meghan was an actress and knew other people in the business. People tend to keep up with others in the same profession. She would hardly be likely to hang with a lot of librarians, chefs or construction workers instead, would she?

 

[Hallo girl]

Royalty for generations has mixed with the arts, film and theatre stars, nowadays we call it celebrity. It opened up the world away from the palace,What we need to do is differentiate between true long standing friendships and aquaintances. IMO the close true friends do not speak out, regardless of what walk of life they are from. By the very nature of their role, the royals need to trust the people closest to them, so whether it is from the world of celebrity or business or whatever, they might be known to be friends but will not talk about it. Maybe I should qualify that by saying talking about it in any depth.
Could any of us list the queens personal friends....do we have any idea who they are!

 

[MARG]

I actually laughed at the Ellen story. She really is wicked and not only was it obvious she was joking about Archie looking like Harry, the article even said: " . . . she joked"!

We have seen more of Archie than his older cousins and even the odd word from a photographer which, since Catherine takes the photos, they don't get when they release photos of the cousins.

 

[Hallo girl]

I actually laughed at the Ellen story. She really is wicked and not only was it obvious she was joking about Archie looking like Harry, the article even said: " . . . she joked"!

We have seen more of Archie than his older cousins and even the odd word from a photographer which, since Catherine takes the photos, they don't get when they release photos of the cousins.

I am sorry but I need to take up your point that we have seen more of Archie than his older cousins. Even comparances at the same age doesn't add up. The first at Windsor, then the only clear photograph was at the christening, I am not making a case for more or less photographs, I do not care, but I will ask you to be clearer on your comment that we have seen more of Archie.

 

[victor1319]

Dear forum members,

I just see, that my remark about Ellen's visit to Archie resulted in some misunderstandings. I apologize and promise to refrain from further attempts to combine teutonic humour with an intermediate command of the English language. Sorry!

 

[Muhler]

Dear forum members,

I just see, that my remark about Ellen's visit to Archie resulted in some misunderstandings. I apologize and promise to refrain from further attempts to combine teutonic humour with an intermediate command of the English language. Sorry!

Oh no, you don't!
More teutonic humor, please!

We need humor in this tread...

 

[Elenath]

Oh no, you don't!

More teutonic humor, please!



We need humor in this tread...

I second this. This thread is far too serious. Bring it on.

 

[XeniaCasaraghi]

Why are you disappointed?

Again it's a build up of things starting years ago and including the recent scandal having to do with the planes and Harry and Meghan "preaching to us". If you'd like I'll send you a PM to go more in depth; but generally it just appears she is being more a celebrity than a royal.

 

[alvinking]

Again it's a build up of things starting years ago and including the recent scandal having to do with the planes and Harry and Meghan "preaching to us". If you'd like I'll send you a PM to go more in depth; but generally it just appears she is being more a celebrity than a royal.

They have been married for 1 year and 4 months
They met in July 2016
Their relationship became public in November 2016 (in the press)
Harry press release to the press asking them to backoff was also in November 2016
She talked about a relationship with Harry only once in a Vanity Fair article in September 2017
They also came out publicly as a couple in Toronto in September 2017 at the Invictus Games
They were engaged in November 2017, and it was her first public interview
her second public speaking gig was during the so called fab four first appearance in Feb 2018
They got married in May 2018
Eversince they have been married she spoke publicly 2 times
Speech in New Zealand in October 2018, and when she joined a panel at international women's day in 2019

So what has she said that has been building up FOR YEARS????

 

[DuchessMia]

We’ll find out soon enough if Archie is a Harry clone or a mixture of his parents. I’m looking forward to seeing how much he’s grown since the christening.

 

[Pranter]

In the two examples you have used it caused untold problems. Having friends speaking out doesn't help anybody. Private should mean private.

Tell that to the Royals who allow it when it pleases them. Regardless if it's a good idea or not, it's done and it's been done for a long long time by various Royals. The pearl clutching over the Sussex friends speaking out is pure hypocrisy.


LaRae

 

[Hallo girl]

Tell that to the Royals who allow it when it pleases them. Regardless if it's a good idea or not, it's done and it's been done for a long long time by various Royals. The pearl clutching over the Sussex friends speaking out is pure hypocrisy.


LaRae

I agree they did allow it and caused untold grief, you think they would all have learnt. I am not being a hypocrite, I think it is wrong for any of them to encourage their friends to speak out. I am not picking out the Sussex friends in particular . Once again what could become an interesting exchange of views just turns into something else.