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Old 12-23-2017, 06:03 PM
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I knew Meghan was 'the one' from when Harry first made a statement telling the press to leave her alone. I told my MIL they would get married. I don't think she believed it though because she just said let's see what happens.

I agree with other people who have said that, because of their ages, Harry and Meghan know what they want. Two important facts are that marriage is more likely, statistically, to work out, the older the couple are on getting hitched, and also, statistically, length of time spent together before marriage has been proven to make no difference to success or longevity.

I had a LDR with my husband, who is also American. He was my penpal before either of us had the Internet. After a year he visited me in London and I knew within a week that I wanted to marry him. Indeed we did marry soon after despite never having lived together. The hard work part of marriage is true but in our case it has always been tougher due to the fact, I now know, that my husband is autistic. We only recently found out and had a definite diagnosis. Even given this extra obstacle, we've now been married over 19 years.

I found the comment about waiting to get married until after you're no longer crazy in love kind of odd. I am still crazy in love with my husband. I'm currently at my mum's and very excited about seeing him tomorrow and spending time together over Christmas, even though I only got here yesterday!

I also find it strange that Meghan and Harry are being berated for not living together for ages before deciding to marry, whereas Charlene and Albert were berated because they did just that! Sometimes whatever royals do, they can't win!
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Old 12-23-2017, 06:20 PM
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In my opinion, Meghan and Harry have a lot of shared values. I don't think there are many actresses who travel overseas on humanitarian missions, speak at the UN, and make videos about women's menstruation, who are also financially secure and basically don't need to "marry up." Meghan doesn't need Harry--she just wants him.
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Old 12-23-2017, 06:37 PM
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Engagement of Prince Harry of Wales and Meghan Markle: November 27, 2017

I actually think that Meghan and Harry only knowing each other for a short amount of time may not be such a bad thing. Iíve only known all of my friends now for just over a year (with the exception of one whom Iíve known for 10 years and another for 5) but it feels like weíve known each other for a lifetime. Iím closer to them than Iíve ever been to anyone else and find it much easier to open up to them than people Iíve known for a long while. Sometimes knowing someone for a short amount of time is refreshing because they only know you in the now, and you can have fun telling them anecdotes of your past and hear opinions about you from fresh eyes. Furthermore, for Harry, his long term relationships (Cressida, Chelsey) never worked out so I think Meghan is the one. As others have mentioned, they do seem to get on very well and that should be whatís important, rather than the length of their friendship.
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Old 12-23-2017, 09:20 PM
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From their engagement interview....Prince Harry indicated that he knew that he was in love with Meghan very quickly but that they still had to sit down and have some blunt/Frank conversations. It sounds like Harry really tried to warn Meghan what she was letting herself in for and the sacrifices that she would have to make.
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Old 12-23-2017, 10:06 PM
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I think after the news broke she was made very aware of how things were going to be.


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Old 12-23-2017, 11:01 PM
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I think after the news broke she was made very aware of how things were going to be.


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I think he issued that statement because she was overwhelmed and likely was on the verge of walking away. I think stuff was not well which made him go to the extreme. He has seen this life ruin relationships and I suspect he didn't want to take that risk again. Until it was official he couldn't actually protect her.
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Old 12-23-2017, 11:03 PM
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I don't think all the telling in the world can prepare you for the media interest. I had a wee laugh at the way Harry had organised the media introduction . . . with a large pond between them! I checked out the video of William's engagement media introduction and both William and Catherine being totally blinded by the camera flashes and drowned out by the shutters.

But Harry and Meghan strolled down into the garden dedicated to Diana and did it their way. You just got to love it that these two seem totally immune to pressure to perform the "Royal" way, preferring rather to do things their way. This attitude leaves us with an unwritten book because we don't know how they are going to act. Certainly not like William whose interaction with the media is nevertheless starting to loosen up.
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Old 12-23-2017, 11:33 PM
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I think he issued that statement because she was overwhelmed and likely was on the verge of walking away. I think stuff was not well which made him go to the extreme. He has seen this life ruin relationships and I suspect he didn't want to take that risk again. Until it was official he couldn't actually protect her.
I'm going to disagree here. I don't think she was on the verge of walking away, over whelmed, yes, but not at him. I think so many things happened at once, when the press got a hint about them. They tried to bribe anyone around her to spill info about her, her mother was harassed, threats of fake nudes being released, the need to call the police to her house, the racial ubdertones in articles, social media harassment etc. He had never witnessed it to this level, and his previous girlfriends had faced some of it too. I think he just has put Meghan and this relationship as his #1 priority from the start, which is why he released the statement. Not because she was going to dump him. Jmho.
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Old 12-23-2017, 11:34 PM
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I think he issued that statement because she was overwhelmed and likely was on the verge of walking away. I think stuff was not well which made him go to the extreme. He has seen this life ruin relationships and I suspect he didn't want to take that risk again. Until it was official he couldn't actually protect her.
I don’t think she was going to walk away from Harry simply because of strangers’ behavior. We know it was like an onslaught neither of them expected. They were probably too busy fending off one thing after another. What we do know is that Harry is extremely protective of Meghan, and likely issues that statement because he is tired of the woman he loves being smeared by the same stories over and over again. There were some discussions between KP communications and some of the more credible royal reporters, like Camilla Tominey, and what basically was communicated was that they just kept seeing those same stories coming up night after night even after they pushed back behind the scenes. They eventually did take legal actions against some. But that process takes time whereas they can run another headline the next day without consequence righ away.

But if she would’ve walked away that soon, then the relationship wasn’t that solid. And if it wasn’t that solid already, Harry wouldn’t have issued that statement. He would’ve handled it differently and more like how he handled the break up with Cressida in the press. That statement would’ve put Meghan is an awfully awkward position had the relationship not worked out. So both of them had to have a great level of confidence in the relationship for that statement to go out. I highly doubt he did it because he would’ve lost her if he didn’t at that point. He did it because it does send a message in a way “legitimizing” her with the press. Royal wives are obviously under the protection of the royal family and advisors, so the media treads more carefully, however, they often feel like royal girlfriends are free for all because they don’t have that protection. Harry’s statement did show that they will step in on her behalf if things got out of control and it did rein a lot of them in.
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Old 12-23-2017, 11:37 PM
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Yeah you're both probably right. It just was so extreme and unlike anything they have done that I felt it was likely some last grand thing to show her how serious he was about her and prove he was worth the trouble. And that is likely still the case but the intentions of why were different. Correct in they do seem solid and per that interview that seemed to have talked a lot about all the baggage that comes with being with a royal. At the time she just was getting in from all sides so maybe she her first taste of it even shocked Harry. They also alluded to that as well. He was shocked and this is from a man who has lived it his entire life. So I guess it does make sense from that standpoint.
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Old 12-23-2017, 11:47 PM
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Yeah you're both probably right. It just was so extreme and unlike anything they have done that I felt it was likely some last grand thing to show her how serious he was about her and prove he was worth the trouble. And that is likely still the case but the intentions of why were different. Correct in they do seem solid and per that interview that seemed to have talked a lot about all the baggage that comes with being with a royal. At the time she just was getting in from all sides so maybe she her first taste of it even shocked Harry. They also alluded to that as well. He was shocked and this is from a man who has lived it his entire life. So I guess it does make sense from that standpoint.
She was different than previous royal girlfriends in terms of race, profession, and of course the American divorcee angle. At least in the digital age. That’s honestly a lot for royal reporters to work with in terms of making things sound salacious. I think it was shocking that, in 2017, they were so blatant about some things.

What was telling for me was that, in addition to Harry’s statement, William also issued a statement on this. He obviously wasn’t so blatant about it and didn’t mention Meghan by name. But it’s not a coincidence that DM decided to run a story about how William wasn’t happy about the statement while Harry was on a boat in the Caribbean with limited communication capabilities. William actually stepped up for his brother publicly and explicitly said through and official statement that he understands the issue of privacy and supports Harry and the need for Harry to support those closest to him.
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Old 12-24-2017, 07:28 AM
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I don't think she was ready to leave him...they mentioned this in the interview. They were both pretty overwhelmed at the reaction when the news broke. It might of even made her question if she could handle the craziness..I'm sure they talked about it and based on what Harry has said he gave her an out early on when they had a frank discussion. You can love someone but that doesn't mean you are willing or even able to deal with media pressure of the type the BRF deal with at times.

They handled it well, they turned toward each other and shut the noise out.

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Old 12-24-2017, 08:52 AM
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What was telling for me was that, in addition to Harryís statement, William also issued a statement on this. He obviously wasnít so blatant about it and didnít mention Meghan by name. But itís not a coincidence that DM decided to run a story about how William wasnít happy about the statement while Harry was on a boat in the Caribbean with limited communication capabilities. William actually stepped up for his brother publicly and explicitly said through and official statement that he understands the issue of privacy and supports Harry and the need for Harry to support those closest to him.
Yes, I completely forgot that William also released his statement after the press tried to pit them against each other. Then the press starting running that she had been introduced to William and Kate (which was probably true) to save face and spin things into a semi positive once made to look silly. But yes it makes sense that all the media stuff was extremely overwhelming and that is likely when those "frank conversations" he spoke of happened. They were serious but she has to be willing to put up with this side of being with him too. They figured it out.
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Old 12-24-2017, 10:09 AM
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Yes, I completely forgot that William also released his statement after the press tried to pit them against each other. Then the press starting running that she had been introduced to William and Kate (which was probably true) to save face and spin things into a semi positive once made to look silly. But yes it makes sense that all the media stuff was extremely overwhelming and that is likely when those "frank conversations" he spoke of happened. They were serious but she has to be willing to put up with this side of being with him too. They figured it out.
Harry said that conversation happened couple of months into the relationship. That was well before November. There is no way he wouldíve not talked about this with her before then. In fact, they talked about how he tried to prepare her even before the media got wind of them.
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Harry said that conversation happened couple of months into the relationship. That was well before November. There is no way he wouldíve not talked about this with her before then. In fact, they talked about how he tried to prepare her even before the media got wind of them.
I have no question they talked about what it would be like once the press finally got wind of them but even they were shocked by how big it was. I just think when it all was happening they really sat down and discussed the relationship. How could they not? It is one thing to say "I'm good." when you not living it and confirming it when you are in the thick of it. Wasn't he rumored to be with her in Toronto when it became public?
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I have no question they talked about what it would be like once the press finally got wind of them but even they were shocked by how big it was. I just think when it all was happening they really sat down and discussed the relationship. How could they not? It is one thing to say "I'm good." when you not living it and confirming it when you are in the thick of it. Wasn't he rumored to be with her in Toronto when it became public?
That visit didn’t have anything to do with the news breaking. He was already there when the news broke. That’s the time where apparently Eugenie and Jack were in town as well and they all went to a costume party at Soho House in Toronto. Things didn’t get really bad until he was gone. He wasn’t there when they tried to break into the house. I’m sure they’ve had conversations about how to deal with the situation as it evolved. But I highly doubt it was to give her an out at that point. Of course, she could’ve gotten out at any point, but I just felt like their conversations were more about what they can do as a response for some of the irresponsible behavior in media. She was in London with him already by the time that statement came out and it was about a week after the initial story came out.
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Old 12-24-2017, 11:01 AM
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While I don't think Harry had any imminent fear of Meghan walking away, I do think the statement was meant to show Meghan how serious and important she and the relationship is to him. At that point, they hadn't been dating very long, so there was probably no guarantee that Meghan would want stick to around and take on everything that comes with being with him. And Harry probably didn't want to take the chance of losing her. From what he said in the interview, it's likely that he knew he was in love with her by then.
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Old 12-24-2017, 11:11 AM
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Yes per the interview he knew by 2 months in he loved her and hoped she loved him and they had that big talk about here's what this all means if we take this long term.

In her head she knew it would be big news but personally dealing with the craziness that went on when it went public did rather overwhelm her. Can't blame her either. Harry was caught off guard too but I think more about the attacks than the attention.

That statement sent all kinds of signals..we talked about that here when it happened.


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While I don't think Harry had any imminent fear of Meghan walking away, I do think the statement was meant to show Meghan how serious and important she and the relationship is to him. At that point, they hadn't been dating very long, so there was probably no guarantee that Meghan would want stick to around and take on everything that comes with being with him. And Harry probably didn't want to take the chance of losing her. From what he said in the interview, it's likely that he knew he was in love with her by then.
Yes, exactly. This is what I mean. I don't think she was looking or outs or he was giving her any. She a grown woman. She would have just left if she wasn't in it. But I do think it coming public was a lot and bigger than they expected. I am sure even Harry had to at least worry a bit that it might even be more than she wants to handle even if neither spoke it. It was a lot. He was clearly head over in record time so that thought had to terrify him. It all worked out and she clearly wanted to make it work as well but those initial days of it coming out has to be insane for them.
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Let's get back to the engagement, please.
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