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Old 08-23-2019, 02:20 PM
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Why do we not just move on to something else, lets all agree to disagree.

Old news is now being re hashed.

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Old 08-23-2019, 04:30 PM
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I cut the Sussexes a lot of slack as freshly marrieds/living in the same household and first time parents. Even if you are used to public attention, the personal changes, wonderful as they are, must be big ones for both of them.

I would love to see more of the usual public side of them in action, boots on the ground with ordinary people, like we saw as newlyweds before adjustments had to be made for the coming baby. i am weary of the tendency of press coverage towards painting them as the second coming of the Clooneys because I think they are truly interesting people that deserve better and are naturally more likable.

Hopefully as baby Archie gets a little older we'll see their schedules and the coverage trend back to the familiar. I love glamour, fashion, and babies beyond all reason but am more than ready to see what happens a few months down the road in their public schedules.

Held off commenting the past few weeks here during VENT fest and think the mods handled this forum admirably while members let off a little steam.
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Old 08-23-2019, 05:38 PM
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granted, both Harry and Meghan have been through alot in a short time. just getting married is stressful, as is having a child. add in Meghan changing religions, and moving to England. again, I wish them (and archie) only the best.
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Old 08-26-2019, 11:25 AM
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I personally admire The Clooneys more than Meghan and Harry. Bottom line is The Clooneys are celebrities/an international lawyer. Meghan chose to marry a Prince and join his world, recently she seems to be playing the role of an A Lister rather than a Duchess.
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Old 08-26-2019, 11:32 AM
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Recently? Meghan has been on maternity leave for six months and for ages she wasn't seen. She and Harry attended one A list event, the Lion King premiere, in that time, and that was to aid projects in Africa.
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Old 08-26-2019, 12:08 PM
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It’s a shame how folks been treating a woman that’s been working hard behind the scenes for her patronage’s and on other projects while pregnant and then on maternity leave. She even conducted two foreign royal trips while pregnant. Royal duties comes first for her.
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Old 08-26-2019, 12:17 PM
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Being pregnant does not save you from criticism, it's not a disability. Meghan for a long time has been conducting herself as half royal and half celebrity; Harry screwed up recently with the environment talk and taking a jet to a summit. The 2nd tier couple is always open to more criticism ala Andrew and Sarah; remember the flack Sarah got for taking handouts? I think the criticism towards the Sussexes is also a build up to the last time Harry seemed to be lecturing about the video games.
To me, Meghan needs to stay away from politics and Vogue and go back to speeches and ribbon cutting putting her feet on the cement.

I criticize the Cambridges/Kate as well so I don't play favs.
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Old 08-26-2019, 12:26 PM
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Criticism is also often exaggerated. Meghan and Harry have made some mistakes, but they don't deserve much criticism either. William and Kate now seem to be running away from controversy and are taking on more and more responsibilities. The Sussex and Cambridge have to move away from controversy and show more and more work and I believe that is what they will do.
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Old 08-26-2019, 12:31 PM
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Being pregnant does not save you from criticism, it's not a disability. Meghan for a long time has been conducting herself as half royal and half celebrity; Harry screwed up recently with the environment talk and taking a jet to a summit. The 2nd tier couple is always open to more criticism ala Andrew and Sarah; remember the flack Sarah got for taking handouts? I think the criticism towards the Sussexes is also a build up to the last time Harry seemed to be lecturing about the video games.
To me, Meghan needs to stay away from politics and Vogue and go back to speeches and ribbon cutting putting her feet on the cement.

I criticize the Cambridges/Kate as well so I don't play favs.
What I’m saying is that Meghan hasn’t really stopped working even while carrying a baby and taking care of the baby at home. Her focus has been on her work and royal duties the entire time — while others are focused on the petty stuff.

She haven’t gotten involved with politics and her guest editing Vogue was for her work, not out of self interest.

People abusing her because she’s a former actress and know some well known people is pretty much ridiculous. If people are going to come down on her for working with and knowing some celebrities, then let’s slam all other members of the family for doing the same. Yeah, lets slam her brother-in-law, father-in-law for working with celebrities for charities and begging to get them on board to support their patronage’s. Let not single Meghan out because she’s of her former experiences. Let’s slam them all and force them to drop every single celebrity from their friends list and their charitable donor list.

Let’s do that, please.
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Old 08-26-2019, 12:53 PM
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Being pregnant does not save you from criticism, it's not a disability. Meghan for a long time has been conducting herself as half royal and half celebrity; Harry screwed up recently with the environment talk and taking a jet to a summit. The 2nd tier couple is always open to more criticism ala Andrew and Sarah; remember the flack Sarah got for taking handouts? I think the criticism towards the Sussexes is also a build up to the last time Harry seemed to be lecturing about the video games.
To me, Meghan needs to stay away from politics and Vogue and go back to speeches and ribbon cutting putting her feet on the cement.

I criticize the Cambridges/Kate as well so I don't play favs.
If someone truly does something wrong then yes they should be criticized for it, however, Meghan got dumped on for petty reasons, many of which were untrue and criticized for things that other royals were praised for. This shouldn't be heaped on anyone let alone someone who is pregnant and post-partum.

Just curious what has Meghan done as a royal that was political? What was so wrong with the Vogue issue? (The public, for the most part, don't seem to mind as many stores keep running out of the issue). How is ribbon-cutting helping the citizens of the UK and/or Commonwealth? If she just gives speeches isn't that lecturing...something some people are whining about?

Harry has been no different than any other royal who has talked about the environment and taken a private plane. He and Meghan at least tried to make up for the difference.... the more we learn the more we can make plan travel, in general, safer for the environment. As for video games, people do need to pay attention to and be aware of them, for many they can become addictive. Harry/Meghan (other royals, experts, celebrities) bring things to our attention to consider but ultimately the decisions are ours to make or not make.
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Old 08-26-2019, 01:27 PM
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Thankfully the Sussexes are intelligent & recognize the importance of advocating for the marginalized as well as ribbon-cutting events. Whether it is opening a new youth centre that aids local citizens or highlighting diverse women, programmes & charities by guest editing Vogue; all can be used effectively to bring attention to significant causes & help many people.
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Old 08-26-2019, 01:35 PM
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I hope we’re not suggesting the Sussexes are the only royals advocating for the marginalised.

Yes opening schools and planting trees is important but long before Meghan came on the scene royals were supporting causes like homelessness, addiction, maternal mental health etc. I could go on and on.
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Old 08-26-2019, 01:43 PM
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I hope we’re not suggesting the Sussexes are the only royals advocating for the marginalised.

Yes opening schools and planting trees is important but long before Meghan came on the scene royals were supporting causes like homelessness, addiction, maternal mental health etc. I could go on and on.
Nope. She’s just doing her job and folks are harassing her for doing so.
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Old 08-27-2019, 05:53 AM
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Not sure if the other thread is the correct place for this response.

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Harry is a born prince big difference. He is never going to fully disappear from the royal duties. Right now he and Meghan can lay low as they are only a grandson/wife of the monarch and there are plenty of working royals. When Charles is king, Harry is only one of 2 kids of the monarch. As the older royals retire, and until the Cambridge kids get into at least mid twenties (if not older like their dad) Harry and Meghan will need to fill a void.

I actually think they will just spend more time abroad. Their roles with the commonwealth have already started carving out that place. It seems the eventual intention will be for William and his family to be the face at home (with Charles) and Harry and Meghan to be the ones out and abroad.
I don’t quite get this “Harry an Meghan will need to fill a void” when Charles is King blah blah that you so often trumpet around the forum. You make it seem as though the other working royals like the Gloucesters, Kents et al. will suddenly fall of the map if Charles does indeed get to ascend the throne. And what makes you so sure a future King Charles would willingly strip way or deprive existing royal patronages/charities of their current patrons? Aside from the bad optics, I believe he will be benevolent as head of his family, etc. plus take into account the raised profiles these charities gain from royal patronages - in addition to the hard work of these family members over the years who after all are similar in age to him. There is no reason to assume the current set-up in relation to this will not remain the same, including the usual standard tours abroad that working royals partake in, once Charles is King - unless you have concrete information to the contrary. There are literally hundreds upon hundreds of royal patronages at stake and it is folly and perhaps a bit delusional to think the Sussexes and Cambridges can manage them all on there own.

Also, in case you hadn’t noticed, the U.K. is no longer a colonial power with outposts all over the shop. And the Sussexes can’t just be shipped off by others or decide themselves to plonker off to settle for long periods of time somewhere in the CW as active working royals. Aside from the optics on all sides which would in all probability prove problematic there will of course be the usual never-ending outrage/whinging from back home about taxpayer money being spent/wasted on the additional costs of extra security and home(s)that would be required. You don’t seriously expect the host Nation/s to foot the bill do you?

If the couple are feeling intense pressure at home from the usual sources/both from within and outside the establishment (and I wouldn’t say I’d blame them if they were feeling the strain because in all honesty so much of the unrelenting attacks and smears which just reeks of extreme cruelty and unfairness) - but to saunter off to live elsewhere for long or extended periods of time as active working royals in other sovereign Nations just because these countries are part of the CW is simply not the answer. Royals being stationed abroad in whatever capacity in another sovereign Country that does NOT have tq as it’s Head of State could potentially be seen as patronising if not offensive however well-intentioned the agenda, given the colonial history. And I believe it will be in Britain’s interest to be considerate of sensitivities and not try to downplay or disregard this.

Now I am not suggesting that the royal couple would be acting as pseudo governor generals in all but name under the guise of charity, animal conservation, activism and of course as part of their CW roles just so others can play pretend/toy empire back home, but still...

This “...William and his family to be the face at home (with Charles) and Harry and Meghan to be the ones out and abroad” is incredibly shortsighted at best. Of course, there is the option of working royals retiring completely from royal life/duties altogether and living elsewhere in a private capacity. They can then do whatever it is they want within reason; be it trying to make the world a “FANTASTIC” place and so long as they respect different cultures and ways of life plus abide by the laws of the land. And not merely serve as extensions or mouthpieces for those who pontificate on soapboxes back home about population control for a different continent when the preachers themselves already have more than the generally accepted standard whilst lecturing.

Interesting piece right here: https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/2019/04/23/o...mpression=true

And the report in this screenshot will forever make me roll my eyes as it kind of suggests some form of plotting behind the Sussexes back and the report seems authentic and credible enough given that the names of senior palace courtiers were actually listed : https://twitter.com/hendopolis/statu...303229440?s=19
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Old 08-27-2019, 06:28 AM
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Sicne the Kents and Gloucesters are now a good deal older, it is reasonable to assume that by the time Charles is king.. they'll be wanting to retire. And Charles seems to want to cut down on the number of working royals and just keep it to his 2 sons and their wives...Harry and Will wont IMO take on as many patronages as was the case years ago.. and they will be kept busy with the royal work...
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Old 08-27-2019, 06:41 AM
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They fall within the same age bracket as Charles though and if he is able to continue working as a royal then so can they. I’ve already mentioned the bad optics and unfairness of depriving charities and patronages of their royal patrons in these desperate times. The underlying purpose of the monarchy in this day and age is to support those in need, otherwise what is the the point in sustaining an institution via “taxpayers” that some love to scream their heads off about, especially when it relates to all things Meghan?

I know it could be argued that there is a constitutional aspect to monarchy. But justifying its financial upkeep would realistically be a lot more harder to convince people about without anything tangible/beneficial to demonstrate for its current existence. Having just two couples and a king handling the odd charity here and there is simply not enough justification. IMO
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They fall within the same age bracket as Charles though and if he is able to continue working as a royal then so can they. I’ve already mentioned the bad optics and unfairness of depriving charities and patronages of their royal patrons in these desperate times. The underlying purpose of the monarchy in this day and age is to support those in need, otherwise what is the the point in sustaining an institution via “taxpayers” that some love to scream their heads off about, especially when it relates to all things Meghan?

I know it could be argued that there is a constitutional aspect to monarchy. But justifying its financial upkeep would realistically be a lot more harder to convince people about without anything tangible/beneficial to demonstrate for its current existence. Having just two couples and a king handling the odd charity here and there is simply not enough justification. IMO
Just because Charles may well be able to continue working does not mean that his cousins can or wil want to. Most European monarchies only have the monarch and consort and thei heir and their consort, perfroming royal duties...
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Old 08-27-2019, 07:20 AM
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Sicne the Kents and Gloucesters are now a good deal older, it is reasonable to assume that by the time Charles is king.. they'll be wanting to retire. And Charles seems to want to cut down on the number of working royals and just keep it to his 2 sons and their wives...Harry and Will wont IMO take on as many patronages as was the case years ago.. and they will be kept busy with the royal work...
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They fall within the same age bracket as Charles though and if he is able to continue working as a royal then so can they. I’ve already mentioned the bad optics and unfairness of depriving charities and patronages of their royal patrons in these desperate times. The underlying purpose of the monarchy in this day and age is to support those in need, otherwise what is the the point in sustaining an institution via “taxpayers” that some love to scream their heads off about, especially when it relates to all things Meghan?

I know it could be argued that there is a constitutional aspect to monarchy. But justifying its financial upkeep would realistically be a lot more harder to convince people about without anything tangible/beneficial to demonstrate for its current existence. Having just two couples and a king handling the odd charity here and there is simply not enough justification. IMO
I think the Duke of Kent has already slowed down The Gloucesters are about the same age as C&C, and I think will continue to work for the forseeable future. Similarly, Anne, Andrew, Edward and Sophie have a good few years left in them, and I have no doubt they will continue to support the monarch of the day.
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I hope we’re not suggesting the Sussexes are the only royals advocating for the marginalised.

Yes opening schools and planting trees is important but long before Meghan came on the scene royals were supporting causes like homelessness, addiction, maternal mental health etc. I could go on and on.
You are right which makes it all the more fascinating that when Meghan does it she is met with absurdity from many as if she was the first to ever do it.

Make that make sense. She is no different than the others. That is the point.
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Old 08-27-2019, 10:57 AM
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Just because Charles may well be able to continue working does not mean that his cousins can or wil want to. Most European monarchies only have the monarch and consort and thei heir and their consort, perfroming royal duties...

But most other European monarchies do not have the same workload/ number of engagements that the BRF has.
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