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Old 06-22-2019, 02:24 PM
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I don't agree with Jane's take whatsoever. It is pretty clear just from that little snippet she blames everything on Meghan and thinks the Sussex needs to fall in line behind the Cambridges for whatever reason. No what they need to do is support their monarch who is currently Queen Elizabeth II. Also there are no "winners" in this. And that mindset is actually the problem. People would be wise to remember that William and Kate will too need their family or their reign will be short lived. Her Majesty understands that.
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Old 06-22-2019, 02:30 PM
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A global Sussex brand isn't what the monarchy is about.
Got this from another forum.

Okay, Royals are not global?

Prince Charles works and invests (possibly Duchy money) in Romania.

Is William's conservation work related to protecting endangered turtle doves, crickets, red squirrels, and hedgehogs in the UK?

Prince Harry - Invictus Games, Sentebale, landmines in Angola, HIV/AIDs work.

Eugenie works to end global trafficking and slavery.

Oh, and someone should give Anne a lecture about being the President of Save the Children from 1970 to 2016. And for doing all those international site visits for the international charity Save the Children.

Charles and Camilla recently took over as joint royal presidents of her late brother's elephant conservation charity, Elephant Family. Camilla has worked with this for years.

The recent masquerade ball at Clarence House was a fund raiser for this international charity
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Old 06-22-2019, 02:33 PM
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I don't agree with Jane's take whatsoever. It is pretty clear just from that little snippet she blames everything on Meghan and thinks the Sussex needs to fall in line behind the Cambridges for whatever reason. No what they need to do is support their monarch who is currently Queen Elizabeth II. Also there are no "winners" in this. And that mindset is actually the problem. People would be wise to remember that William and Kate will too need their family or their reign will be short lived. Her Majesty understands that.

Same here...I read that and just rolled my eyes.



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Old 06-22-2019, 02:34 PM
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As long as we're referencing the media, I found this gem today:


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Meghan Markle and Prince Harry announced they will create their own foundation after splitting from Prince William and Kate, Duchess of Cambridge earlier this week. The Royal Foundation, which the brothers formed together in 2009, stated the decision to split the couples was taken to "better align their charitable activity with their new households." But royal author Tom Bower warned the Duchess of Sussex should resist attempts to follow in the footsteps of her grandfather-in-law Prince Charles and help keep the family together.

Speaking to Good Morning Britain, Mr Bower said: "There is only one career, and that is to serve the country and make us all feel there is a family who symbolises the best of Britain.

"The problem with Charles was that he kept on doing the separate stuff and cause trouble.

Speaking to Good Morning Britain, Mr Bower said: "There is only one career, and that is to serve the country and make us all feel there is a family who symbolises the best of Britain.

"The problem with Charles was that he kept on doing the separate stuff and cause trouble.

https://www.express.co.uk/news/royal...Prince-William
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Old 06-22-2019, 02:34 PM
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The Sussexes are a truly international brand.
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Old 06-22-2019, 02:37 PM
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@Marlo - Jane clearly mentions the reports from Omid who states his sources tell him the Sussexes want their own ‘brand’. That’s completely different from doing charity work that crosses borders.
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Old 06-22-2019, 02:42 PM
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I'd add Anne's involvement with Save The Children. Last I heard, its a global organization also. There's also Anne's membership involvement with the International Olympic Committee. The Olympic Games are definitely a global thing.

Going global isn't something new at all.
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Old 06-22-2019, 02:43 PM
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Okay, Royals are not global?
Marlo, you quoted a person who said a Sussex brand was not the point of the [British] monarchy, which is nothing at all like saying that "Royals are not global."

It is very difficult to carry on reasoned conversation when other posters deliberately misstate direct quotes from others.
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Old 06-22-2019, 02:44 PM
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Jane from Berkshire to Buckingham has her take on it. Yes it’s a Cambridge blog but people post links to ‘Mad about Meghan’ all the time.



More: What Does the Royal Foundation Split Mean?
The point that Jane makes about whether Meghan realises or will be satisfied with a supporting role in the BRF is one that was made around the time of the engagement. It is clear that she is a clever, articulate and driven individual. How she copes with playing a junior, supporting role we are starting to see ramification of. Let us hope that the initial process of adjustment and defining of their roles helps her achieve the fulfillment that she seeks.
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Old 06-22-2019, 02:47 PM
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I'd add Anne's involvement with Save The Children. Last I heard, its a global organization also. There's also Anne's membership involvement with the International Olympic Committee. The Olympic Games are definitely a global thing.

Going global isn't something new at all.
But I’d think you’d agree there is no global Princess Anne ‘brand’?

The only brand is ‘The Firm’.
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Old 06-22-2019, 02:50 PM
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But I’d think you’d agree there is no global Princess Anne ‘brand’?

The only brand is ‘The Firm’.
You are right, the only brand can and should be "The Firm". Diana was the last royal who tried to create her own brand, and we all know things did not go well in that case. I hope Harry is wise enough to know that.
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Old 06-22-2019, 02:53 PM
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At the end of the day, I don’t think it’s really about one being envious of another as both roles have pros and cons. It’s about finding your own calling. And when I say that, it’s not just about being king or not, but what you want to do with what you have. About putting your own stamp even if you have to overcome hurdles. Just like their father had to. Many would’ve thought his purpose is to be king, a role that he has waited longer than anyone else in history for, but he’s certainly done far more than waiting 70+ years.
I don't think it necessarily has anything at all to do with being envious, for either brother. I didn't use that word, and don't think it really applies here. My reference was to the fact that William's role, status, and future are on a divergent course from Harry's and that at some point in the future they won't be just two brothers, they will be the sovereign and subject, and Harry will be subordinate to, and to a degree, dependent on William. That's a lot to absorb, especially since Harry now may see how this will impact not only himself, but his wife and children. Especially if he and William are currently at odds with each other over something (unknown and unspecified).

I took a quick look at that blog, and the author doesn't seem to have a great grasp of how the royal family actually works. I'd take anything she has to say with a very, very large grain of salt. I think it exemplifies the problem with going to blogs and twitter for information about something as complex as royalty--anyone can put up a blog, tweet or post on Instagram without any real knowledge at all--as we have seen.
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Old 06-22-2019, 02:58 PM
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The royal family itself are an international brand. This need to credit the Cambridges or Sussexes really serve no purpose. Who would William and Harry be without their titled privileged? If all of this went away tomorrow I imagine both would struggle with their new reality. Kate married a prince. That is majority of her identity. The same for Meghan, though to her credit she did have a career before this. But there is no denying she went from a working actress to a global name. That is the brand.
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Old 06-22-2019, 02:59 PM
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The point that Jane makes about whether Meghan realises or will be satisfied with a supporting role in the BRF is one that was made around the time of the engagement. It is clear that she is a clever, articulate and driven individual. How she copes with playing a junior, supporting role we are starting to see ramification of. Let us hope that the initial process of adjustment and defining of their roles helps her achieve the fulfillment that she seeks.
There are two issues with this. People who preemptively take issue with a smart, articulate, and clever woman joining BRF is just insulting every woman who joined the family before this. It’s also a narrative some tabloids have promoted in the past about how it’s better if a woman joins the BRF without much of her own career before. Second issue here is people have seemed to already written a narrative around Meghan of being a bad fit before they even gave her a chance.
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Old 06-22-2019, 03:09 PM
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The point that Jane makes about whether Meghan realises or will be satisfied with a supporting role in the BRF is one that was made around the time of the engagement. It is clear that she is a clever, articulate and driven individual. How she copes with playing a junior, supporting role we are starting to see ramification of. Let us hope that the initial process of adjustment and defining of their roles helps her achieve the fulfillment that she seeks.
Isn't she already playing supporting? I mean truly, what has she done because from where I am she not doing anything that different than those before her.
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Old 06-22-2019, 03:18 PM
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I read Jane's piece this morning, and she vehemently lays ALL of the blame at Meghan's foot (color me surprise).
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Old 06-22-2019, 03:27 PM
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There are two issues with this. People who preemptively take issue with a smart, articulate, and clever woman joining BRF is just insulting every woman who joined the family before this. It’s also a narrative some tabloids have promoted in the past about how it’s better if a woman joins the BRF without much of her own career before. Second issue here is people have seemed to already written a narrative around Meghan of being a bad fit before they even gave her a chance.

I don't think those are the issues. The issues seem to be whether Harry and Meghan are OK with playing a supporting role, or if they want to develop their own global brand and "do their own thing" somewhat independently of the Firm.



To be fair, setting up their own Sussex Foundation does not prove any of the above and, most likely, the split was cleared by the Palace, or else it would not have gone ahead.
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Old 06-22-2019, 03:33 PM
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I don't think those are the issues. The issues seem to be whether Harry and Meghan are OK with playing a supporting role, or if they want to develop their own global brand and "do their own thing" somewhat independently of the Firm.



To be fair, setting up their own Sussex Foundation does not prove any of the above and, most likely, the split was cleared by the Palace, or else it would not have gone ahead.
The issues I was specifically talking about are with the argument that was being made against Meghan in that post I quoted.

As for the broader issue of BRF, isn’t that the case with every member of the royal family? They all contribute in their own way, and them looking good in their endeavors translates to overall good look on The Firm they all support? Supporting the Firm isn’t just about playing second to the monarch on every issue. And certainly, it’d be weird to have monarch and another member of the family on the same issue. How the world views that contribution isn’t something they have control over.
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Old 06-22-2019, 03:46 PM
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Actually, the more I think about it, the more I tend to think that Harry and Meghan creating their "own brand" is an impossibility. Nothing that they take on or wish to do is totally their own decision at this point and I believe that both Harry and Meghan know this. The last thing in the world Harry would want to do is let his "Granny" down. In this regard, I am leaning towards thinking that a "global Sussex brand" is a figment of the imagination penned by overeager people who want to come across as "authorities" on how things are going.

Everything they start up doing has the Queen's assent as "The Boss" or "The Chairman of the Board" so to speak with the "Firm" which *all* of the BRF represent. The Queen keeps an eagle eye on everything to do with her monarchy and if something were to be amiss or out of place or even just not a really good idea at all, she'd make her concerns known. In fact, it was the Queen, herself, that handed the Commonwealth roles to Harry and Meghan on the proverbial silver platter along with green lighting the move of the Sussex office to BP and I seriously don't believe there would be a dedicated Sussex foundation established without the green light from "The Boss".

I'm inclined to believe that HM, The Queen knows what she's doing over people who write blogs and articles expressing their own opinions without actually being "in the loop" with how things are decided and enacted and for what purposes.
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The autumn is shaping up to be busier than us usual. Both foundations with essentially launch. I assume three tours close together will be occurring before Christmas. Shall be very interesting.
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