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Old 06-21-2019, 12:07 AM
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According to this Telegraph article they both 'contributed a six figure sum from their own personal fortunes' to begin the Foundation in 2009.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/ukn...oundation.html
Thanks for the info...I thought that was the case.
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Old 06-21-2019, 01:15 AM
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The devil is in the details, and after having a careful look through of the financial statements of 2018-2019 of the Royal Foundation, I would say H&M are getting out just in the nick of time. There were "certain" projects that were not generating much income and was actually taking money from other projects to keep afloat. It's a long report but it's important to do your own due diligences and read through the report carefully. Here is a copy.

http://apps.charitycommission.gov.uk...181231_E_C.PDF

Personally, I hope that the individual projects from H&M goes with them to their new foundation, and that they focus on one 1 or 2 individual projects that requires serious fundraising in a year instead of just listing off a bunch initiatives just to say that they have something to do.
Oh that report was a very interesting read. I think it probably is the best thing for all parties to have a fresh start.
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Old 06-22-2019, 09:27 AM
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I don’t think any of Queen Elizabeth ‘s younger children have their own foundation even though they are involved with different charities. How common is that or is it a first for a younger son or brother of the King ?

I am glad Harry and Meghan want to make a mark with their philanthropic work, but setting up a foundation of their own strikes me again as the Duke and Duchess trying to have a higher profile than they would otherwise be entitled to based on their rank and precedence within the Royal Family.

I didn't think the Queen's other children had any based on common knowledge either, but looking into it they actually do.

Just like the Prince's Trust for Charles, there's the Princess Royal Trust for Carers, the Prince Andrew Charitable Trust and the Wessex Youth Trust, for each respective sibling of Charles.
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Old 06-22-2019, 09:40 AM
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I didn't think the Queen's other children had any based on common knowledge either, but looking into it they actually do.

Just like the Prince's Trust for Charles, there's the Princess Royal Trust for Carers, the Prince Andrew Charitable Trust and the Wessex Youth Trust, for each respective sibling of Charles.

OK, I take back what I said then.
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Old 06-22-2019, 09:48 AM
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By the way Harry has done good work with Sentabale and Invictus but do not kid yourselves that he was doing all the work, yes he has been a fantastic figure head and magnet for fund raising, as they all are. He didnt do it all on his own. He had advice and guidance.
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Old 06-22-2019, 09:54 AM
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By the way Harry has done good work with Sentabale and Invictus but do not kid yourselves that he was doing all the work, yes he has been a fantastic figure head and magnet for fund raising, as they all are. He didnt do it all on his own. He had advice and guidance.

That is how it normally works. The royals are the public face of their foundations/trusts for PR and fundraising purposes, but the day-to-day running of the charity is best left to trustees and professional administrators.


There are a few royals like Mary Donaldson or Máxima Zorreguieta who actually have a professional background in commerce or finance, but that is not case of Charles' sons.
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Old 06-22-2019, 10:22 AM
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By the way Harry has done good work with Sentabale and Invictus but do not kid yourselves that he was doing all the work, yes he has been a fantastic figure head and magnet for fund raising, as they all are. He didnt do it all on his own. He had advice and guidance.
While there are always people working behind the scene, it’s unfair to say Harry shouldn’t be given the credit he is due. It’s often been said that he’s very involved in getting both of those organization started off and running. Especially at the beginning. And certainly he seems to enjoy a lot of success in setting up Sentebale and IG. Not all charity or cause becomes successful just because it has the support of a famous face.
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Old 06-22-2019, 10:31 AM
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Fondations, Trusts are means to support personal charitable endeavors. The primary role of members of the Firm is to support the monarch. Right now everybody is supporting the Queen in their own capacities. Harry's role is not to support is brother. In due time, he will support his father the next monarch in the same capacity.
After that things are getting fuzzy and tricky. If things remain the same, by that I mean the overall atmosphere, I predict that he will exit the BRF and settle elsewhere maybe the States. He is not about to stand idle while his family is gratuitously attacked.
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Old 06-22-2019, 11:03 AM
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Fondations, Trusts are means to support personal charitable endeavors. The primary role of members of the Firm is to support the monarch. Right now everybody is supporting the Queen in their own capacities. Harry's role is not to support is brother. In due time, he will support his father the next monarch in the same capacity.
After that things are getting fuzzy and tricky. If things remain the same, by that I mean the overall atmosphere, I predict that he will exit the BRF and settle elsewhere maybe the States. He is not about to stand idle while his family is gratuitously attacked.



Where do you get this idea that he will leave the RF and settle overseas ? That is highly unlikely in my opinion.



In the good old days, they could make him Governor General of Canada (like the Duke of Connaught) or of Australia (like the Duke of Gloucester), but of course that is not possible anymore. And he cannot renounce his place in the line of succession unilaterally, other than by converting to Roman Catholicism. In order to exclude Harry and his descendants from the line of succession, an act of the UK Parliament and consent of the Commonwealth realms would be needed.
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Old 06-22-2019, 11:13 AM
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Where do you get this idea that he will leave the RF and settle overseas ? That is highly unlikely in my opinion.



In the good old days, they could make him Governor General of Canada (like the Duke of Connaught) or of Australia (like the Duke of Gloucester), but of course that is not possible anymore. And he cannot renounce his place in the line of succession unilaterally, other than by converting to Roman Catholicism. In order to exclude Harry and his descendants from the line of succession, an act of the UK Parliament and consent of the Commonwealth realms would be needed.
Last time I checked he is an human being with free will. Just like you think it is highly unlikely in your opinion, my opinion is on the contrary. It has nothing to do with line of succession et al. When one is fed up, and one wants to protect one's family, one acts. I truly believe Harry is the type of person to say darn it, enough, pack his family and move on greener pastures
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Old 06-22-2019, 11:23 AM
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Last time I checked he is an human being with free will. Just like you think it is highly unlikely in your opinion, my opinion is on the contrary. It has nothing to do with line of succession et al. When one is fed up, and one wants to protect one's family, one acts. I truly believe Harry is the type of person to say darn it, enough, pack his family and move on greener pastures

His family is far more protected as members of the Royal House than they would be as private citizens. And, if Harry and Meghan want to become powerhouses in philanthropy, it is much easier to do it as HRHs than as ex-royals.



Harry has to accept, however, that William will be his sovereign one day if they both survive their father. He will most likely have to kiss William's hand the moment their father passes way and will have to kneel and swear allegiance to him on the day of William's coronation. That is how hereditary succession by order of primogeniture works. Right now, William knows his place and respects the hierarchy leaving decisions on Harry's future role and duties to the Queen and the Prince of Wales, but, as William gets closer to the throne, it is natural that he will be also consulted on Harry's projects. If Harry or Meghan are not comfortable with that, then I agree they should leave.
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Old 06-22-2019, 11:38 AM
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His family is far more protected as members of the Royal House than they would be as private citizens. And, if Harry and Meghan want to become powerhouses in philanthropy, it is much easier to do it as HRHs than as ex-royals.



Harry has to accept, however, that William will be his sovereign one day if they both survive their father. He will most likely have to kiss William's hand the moment their father passes way and will have to kneel and swear allegiance to him on the day of William's coronation. That is how hereditary succession by order of primogeniture works. Right now, William knows his place and respects the hierarchy leaving decisions on Harry's future role and duties to the Queen and the Prince of Wales, but, as William gets closer to the throne, it is natural that he will be also consulted on Harry's projects. If Harry or Meghan are not comfortable with that, then I agree they should leave.
I could not agree more with you.
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Old 06-22-2019, 11:44 AM
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Harry has to accept, however, that William will be his sovereign one day if they both survive their father. He will most likely have to kiss William's hand the moment their father passes way and will have to kneel and swear allegiance to him on the day of William's coronation. That is how hereditary succession by order of primogeniture works. Right now, William knows his place and respects the hierarchy leaving decisions on Harry's future role and duties to the Queen and the Prince of Wales, but, as William gets closer to the throne, it is natural that he will be also consulted on Harry's projects. If Harry or Meghan are not comfortable with that, then I agree they should leave.
Where has there been any indication that Harry doesn’t understand or accept William will one day be king? However, what people seem to forget is that, in this day and age, the relationship requires efforts and compromise from both the one that will be king and the one that will not be. Otherwise, it won’t turn out well for either. In the days where people no longer believe a king is by divine will, monarchy can’t operate in a my way or high way scenario. I still think it’s best for both brothers to put aside their differences, but make no mistake, this is in both of the best interest. Not just Harry.
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Old 06-22-2019, 11:45 AM
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His family is far more protected as members of the Royal House than they would be as private citizens. And, if Harry and Meghan want to become powerhouses in philanthropy, it is much easier to do it as HRHs than as ex-royals.



Harry has to accept, however, that William will be his sovereign one day if they both survive their father. He will most likely have to kiss William's hand the moment their father passes way and will have to kneel and swear allegiance to him on the day of William's coronation. That is how hereditary succession by order of primogeniture works. Right now, William knows his place and respects the hierarchy leaving decisions on Harry's future role and duties to the Queen and the Prince of Wales, but, as William gets closer to the throne, it is natural that he will be also consulted on Harry's projects. If Harry or Meghan are not comfortable with that, then I agree they should leave.
Mbruno makes some very good points. There's been a lot of (heated) discussion over how the big change in the brothers' relationship in the last couple of years has been the inclusion of Meghan in the family, and while that's true, there is plenty of evidence, based on her past relationships with friends and coworkers, that she is a warm and loyal person. It seems unlikely to me that if there is friction, that it originates with her, although it's possible. It has seemed to me that a larger, and potentially more upsetting change has been William being clearly moved into the heir to the heir position: he is filling in more and more for the Queen, he is being included in the Duchy of Lancaster business, and so on. Although of course Harry has always known that William will one day be king, there's a huge difference between knowing something with your head, and actually seeing it play out, and beginning to realize in a visceral way how it will affect you, your family, and your goals.

It's an interesting point to ponder, anyway, and makes more sense to me than some of the other overblown speculation.
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Old 06-22-2019, 11:55 AM
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If Harry or Meghan are not comfortable with that, then I agree they should leave.
Precisely so.
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Old 06-22-2019, 12:07 PM
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Mbruno makes some very good points. There's been a lot of (heated) discussion over how the big change in the brothers' relationship in the last couple of years has been the inclusion of Meghan in the family, and while that's true, there is plenty of evidence, based on her past relationships with friends and coworkers, that she is a warm and loyal person. It seems unlikely to me that if there is friction, that it originates with her, although it's possible. It has seemed to me that a larger, and potentially more upsetting change has been William being clearly moved into the heir to the heir position: he is filling in more and more for the Queen, he is being included in the Duchy of Lancaster business, and so on. Although of course Harry has always known that William will one day be king, there's a huge difference between knowing something with your head, and actually seeing it play out, and beginning to realize in a visceral way how it will affect you, your family, and your goals.

It's an interesting point to ponder, anyway, and makes more sense to me than some of the other overblown speculation.

At the end of the day, I don’t think it’s really about one being envious of another as both roles have pros and cons. It’s about finding your own calling. And when I say that, it’s not just about being king or not, but what you want to do with what you have. About putting your own stamp even if you have to overcome hurdles. Just like their father had to. Many would’ve thought his purpose is to be king, a role that he has waited longer than anyone else in history for, but he’s certainly done far more than waiting 70+ years.
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Old 06-22-2019, 12:24 PM
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At the end of the day, I don’t think it’s really about one being envious of another as both roles have pros and cons. It’s about finding your own calling. And when I say that, it’s not just about being king or not, but what you want to do with what you have. About putting your own stamp even if you have to overcome hurdles. Just like their father had to. Many would’ve thought his purpose is to be king, a role that he has waited longer than anyone else in history for, but he’s certainly done far more than waiting 70+ years.

You said it the way I wanted. When people say, William is taking on a much restrictive role because he's a future King, well that's not really true at all. We are already in the modern era and even the BRF is embracing change. Prince Charles didn't see his role as restrictive, in fact, to date he is still one of the most hardworking heirs and had to be the face of change when he founded Prince Charles Foundation in 1979 when BRF is still as traditional.
I agree that Prince Harry is the embodiment of this "embracing change" of Prince Charles. Prince Harry was 22 when he founded Sentebale with Prince Seeiso that aims to support children with HIV (which was a very sensitive topic that time) among others. He also founded the Invictus Games in 2014. With Meghan, who has the same passion, they both are indestructible. Prior to her marriage, Meghan helped and supported the women of Grenfell Tower to produce a cook book which is a worldwide bestseller right now.
Harry knows his place in the BRF but makes the most out of it.
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I think the Queen and PoW were in full agreement in how The Cambridges have been allowed to slowly build up to being full time working royals and how they are now able to focus so much on raising the children. I think the Sussexes will be given the same options with their children.

They learned from past situations IMO.



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Old 06-22-2019, 01:55 PM
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I think the Queen and PoW were in full agreement in how The Cambridges have been allowed to slowly build up to being full time working royals and how they are now able to focus so much on raising the children. I think the Sussexes will be given the same options with their children.

They learned from past situations IMO.



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While I think there can be more balance (the majority of other families in the world seem to make it work). But if the Cambridges want to focus the majority of their time on the children that's fine, however the Sussexes should not be held back for fear of out shining a future king because of it. The Sussexes clearly have the drive, passion and willingness to do more now and are finding a balance in their work/family lives.
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Jane from Berkshire to Buckingham has her take on it. Yes it’s a Cambridge blog but people post links to ‘Mad about Meghan’ all the time.

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Splitting the Royal Foundation, though, might not be enough to ease the tension. The issue is very simple. Harry and Meghan appear to be attempting to forge a path that isn't proper to their role.

Meghan was an actress who was working very hard to become a star when she met Harry. The problem is, she took a part in a lifelong drama of which she can never be the leading lady. She chose that, and kudos to her. If she loved Harry, I am glad she didn't let anything stand in her way. People and relationships are the most important things in life. Meghan didn't have to marry into the Firm.

Chelsy Davy, who clearly loved Harry, couldn't take the plunge. She didn't want to live her life in a fishbowl, so she walked away. Meghan's problem is the opposite. She is very comfortable with the fishbowl; in fact, she has actively sought it for the entirety of her adult life. Her problem is on the other end of the spectrum, and that is she can't advance beyond the role she has chosen.

As I mentioned in my earlier post, a global Sussex brand isn't what the monarchy is about. There is no global York brand, or global Princess Anne brand. The royals who aren't in direct line play supporting roles...forever. Meghan is the Duchess of Sussex, her spouse is a popular prince, but his position in the BRF will drop, and his star will inevitably fade as the years roll on. See, e.g. Prince Andrew.

The tug-of-war between the Cambridges and the Sussexes comes down to a power struggle--the outcome of which has already been decided: William and Kate are the winners. But, how Meghan and Harry finish has yet to be determined.
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