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Old 11-28-2017, 04:03 PM
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Don't worry Fashion Maven, it was all new information at one time or other to all of us.
Oh you got that so right! Its amazing for me to realize that I've been learning the ins and outs of things as I went along just by reading stuff I was interested in. I came believing that there was a "Princess Diana" and astounded myself a ways down the line being able to have an intelligent discussion in a thread about the title and styling of "prince" and referring to LPs of various years. Its a process and a fun one at that. I had no clue that a duke was a peer of the realm and prince was just a designation of relationship to the monarch.

I do have to admit that even with all the years here under my belt, I still, for some odd reason, find myself typing duck instead of duke. Weird eh?
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Old 11-28-2017, 04:37 PM
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Next, I expect a significant change of name of the Royal Foundation after the wedding. Probably something like The Royal Foundation of Cambridge and "X" as The Royal Foundation of The Duke and Duchess of Cambridge and The Duke and Duchess of "x" is going to take up the top half of the page as a letterhead.

Most significantly, we're going to be seeing Harry and Meghan hitting the ground running and appearing a lot in public together between now and the wedding. We've been starved for pictures and information on these two. They're just so wonderful to see together and involved with each other that I think I can seriously say that we're in for some real eye candy over the next six months or so as we work our way towards the "Big Day".
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Old 11-28-2017, 04:45 PM
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Meghan will not be a Princess and certainly not a Princess of the United Kingdom. The only Princess title she would receive is Princess Henry of Wales if he would not receive a title.
None of what you said here is true or correct.
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Old 11-28-2017, 05:02 PM
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Maybe they can start using acronyms? The D&DoC and The D&D of X <G>


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Old 11-28-2017, 05:07 PM
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The Royal Foundation of The Duchies of Cambridge and X?

Or is it improper to say duchy when there is not land/property associated with the title?
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Old 11-28-2017, 05:40 PM
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The Royal Foundation of The Duchies of Cambridge and X?

Or is it improper to say duchy when there is not land/property associated with the title?
Can it just be the Royal Foundation of Cambridge and XXXX? I always thought the name was a mouthful as it is.
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Old 11-28-2017, 05:44 PM
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OR can it just be The Royal Foundation?
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Old 11-28-2017, 05:51 PM
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I don't think it can be "of Cambridge and X," since Cambridge is a city (and whatever title Harry is given will also be a geographical place that likely has a governmental body) and to call something that would imply that it's of the city, not of those individuals. Same for calling it the Royal Foundation without a qualifier; I would think it would have to be the Queen's creation to be called that.
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Old 11-28-2017, 05:56 PM
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Maybe they can start using acronyms? The D&DoC and The D&D of X <G>


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LOL - they can be the Duke and Duchess of Xessex. That would be lovely. Sorry, it has been a long day.
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Old 11-28-2017, 06:05 PM
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I think it’s best to break it all down to The Royal Foundation.
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Old 11-28-2017, 07:11 PM
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I don't think marrying Harry should force her to give that up as that representing these types of organizations is exactly what she is supposed to be doing.

When you marry into the British Royal Family you become part of the Firm, as they like to call it, and you don't do your own thing, so to speak. Basically, as a member of the Firm you work for the Crown. I imagine they want her to start with a clean slate so that she can take on charities that are approved by the Firm. I am not saying that they would not approve of these charities by no means, but she is starting a brand new life. In a sense, she is not just marrying Prince Harry, but the entire family. From a practical standpoint, Meghan is going to have so much to adjust to that they probably want to ease her into it, like they did with Kate, so that she can have a good adjustment. Essentially you adjust your life to them and not them to you. I am not saying this in a negative way because I LOVE the British Royal Family. It is just a fact and I imagine everything that Meghan is doing from giving up her current charities, to becoming a member of the CofE, to eventually becoming a UK citizen was part of the "frank" discussions that Harry had with her.
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Old 11-28-2017, 07:13 PM
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No. She is technically a Princess of United Kingdom by marriage. Just not Princess Kate or Princess Catherine, just like Meghan will not be Princess Meghan, as she is not a princess by birth.
Exactly. Meghan will be a princess in rank but not in title.
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Old 11-28-2017, 07:15 PM
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I don't know if this is the right thread for this. There are so many threads about the couple, it's hard for me to figure out. So, move it to a better one if necessary.

Anyway, how much will Meghan have to change publicly? I mean, I don't expect her to throw a public 4th of July party or anything. But, it just seems that she can be this person at home where no one sees, but totally different out where people can see her. Just things from different parts of the internet, saying she might have to change this, or tone this down.

Will she be able to be herself? I mean, again, I don't think she's going to go on engagements waving the American flag and stomping on British traditions. But, isn't possible to be American to an extent (I'm not talking citizenship) and still represent her new country? To expand her identity, rather than tuck the American part at home where no one can see it?
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Old 11-28-2017, 07:24 PM
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I don't know if this is the right thread for this. There are so many threads about the couple, it's hard for me to figure out. So, move it to a better one if necessary.

Anyway, how much will Meghan have to change publicly? I mean, I don't expect her to throw a public 4th of July party or anything. But, it just seems that she can be this person at home where no one sees, but totally different out where people can see her. Just things from different parts of the internet, saying she might have to change this, or tone this down.

Will she be able to be herself? I mean, again, I don't think she's going to go on engagements waving the American flag and stomping on British traditions. But, isn't possible to be American to an extent (I'm not talking citizenship) and still represent her new country? To expand her identity, rather than tuck the American part at home where no one can see it?
I bet she is going to "throw a Fourth of July" party at the Palace in a room where a portrait of King George Iiii is hanging on the wall !
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Old 11-28-2017, 07:25 PM
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I bet she is going to "throw a Fourth of July" party at the Palace in a room where a protrair of King George Iiii is hanging on the wall !
Good one!!!
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Old 11-28-2017, 07:28 PM
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I don't know if this is the right thread for this. There are so many threads about the couple, it's hard for me to figure out. So, move it to a better one if necessary.

Anyway, how much will Meghan have to change publicly? I mean, I don't expect her to throw a public 4th of July party or anything. But, it just seems that she can be this person at home where no one sees, but totally different out where people can see her. Just things from different parts of the internet, saying she might have to change this, or tone this down.

Will she be able to be herself? I mean, again, I don't think she's going to go on engagements waving the American flag and stomping on British traditions. But, isn't possible to be American to an extent (I'm not talking citizenship) and still represent her new country? To expand her identity, rather than tuck the American part at home where no one can see it?
Everyone here wants to change her. If Harry wanted to marry a Brit, he would have done so. Leave Meghan alone!
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Old 11-28-2017, 07:29 PM
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I think you are a bit confused about what is meant by the term 'of the UK'.

ALL the princes and princesses are 'of the UK'. They often use territorial designations but that is to distinguish which branch of the family they belong to and doesn't remove them from being 'of the UK.'

As a result as the wife of a 'Prince of the UK' Meghan will be a 'Princess of the UK'. She will be HRH Princess Henry of Wales and when Charles becomes King she will be HRH The Princess Henry.

What she won't be is HRH Princess Meghan.

She will be known as either HRH Princess Henry of Wales and then HRH The Princess Henry when Charles becomes King or Duchess of xxxx but she will still be a princess.

Remember that in the UK Princess is a lower style than Duchess anyway. The only wife of a Prince of the UK who uses the title of Princess is Princess Michael of Kent and that is because Michael has nothing better for her to use.

When Birgitte married Richard she was known officially as Princess Richard of Gloucester but when he inherited the Dukedom they were both promoted from Prince and Princess to Duke and Duchess.

Meghan will therefore be - HRH Princess Henry of Wales if Harry isn't promoted to a peer of the realm on or before his wedding day.

The 'of Wale', 'of Cambridge', 'of York', 'of Gloucester' and 'of Kent' are there so people can know which prince or princess you are talking about if there are two of them e.g. there are two Prince Edwards - one is 'of Wessex' and one is 'of Kent' but both of 'of the UK'.
Thank you so much for this explanation. I know this is off topic, but I still have one question that baffles me based on prince/princess being a lower style than duke/duchess. Wikipedia says "On 22 February 1957, she [Queen Elizabeth] granted her husband the style and title of a Prince of the United Kingdom by Letters Patent, and it was gazetted that he was to be known as "His Royal Highness The Prince Philip, Duke of Edinburgh".[56]" Why would she have give him the title of Prince since he was already a Duke?
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Old 11-28-2017, 07:30 PM
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He held the title Prince in his own right since he was a Prince by birth....she just expanded or added to that.


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Old 11-28-2017, 07:39 PM
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I don't know if this is the right thread for this. There are so many threads about the couple, it's hard for me to figure out. So, move it to a better one if necessary.

Anyway, how much will Meghan have to change publicly? I mean, I don't expect her to throw a public 4th of July party or anything. But, it just seems that she can be this person at home where no one sees, but totally different out where people can see her. Just things from different parts of the internet, saying she might have to change this, or tone this down.

Will she be able to be herself? I mean, again, I don't think she's going to go on engagements waving the American flag and stomping on British traditions. But, isn't possible to be American to an extent (I'm not talking citizenship) and still represent her new country? To expand her identity, rather than tuck the American part at home where no one can see it?
I for one think it is inappropriate for anyone to suggest she be anyone other than her American self. However, royal history is rife with tragic stories of young royal brides made miserable in their adopted country because the populace just did not like the woman's 'German ways' or whatever it was.

This will be the salting ground for Meghan. She has the hardest audience of her life to win over. Will she sacrifice herself for the role? How will she play it? Luckily she will be the wife of the second son no where near the throne. This is why I had fears for her, fears that her bounteous spirit will be crushed, as we know can happen, as we know has happened with other women who have married royalty. Someone mentioned the transformation of Letizia of Spain, how sparky she was in her engagement interview and what a shadow of that former self she now is.

My hope is that Meghan gets out ever before she allows anything close to that to happen to her, though I have a strong sense that both Harry and Meghan intend for this marriage to work. It's likely (speculation) Meghan will survive by Harry and she 'traveling the commonwealth' as she hinted at. Whatever they do, however they handle it, it is not an insignificant aspect of this marriage. I hope they manage it well, for both their sakes.
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He held the title Prince in his own right since he was a Prince by birth....she just expanded or added to that.


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Thank you. It finally makes sense.
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