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Old 01-01-2018, 01:52 PM
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The causes William, Catherine and Harry focus on now impact women just as much as men.

Drug addiction, homelessness, mental health to name a few. I think Meghan being a ‘voice’ for women is kind of insulting to the work other members of the royal family already do.
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Old 01-01-2018, 01:54 PM
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There is nothing political about 'feminist' causes. Nor do you have to put a 'feminist' spin on women's causes. Feminist has a completely negative connotation for so many people.

Camilla works hard promoting charities protecting women against domestic violence. Is that political?? Eugenie is involved in modern slavery causes. I don't see why Meghan cant continue to fight for women's health and rights.
IMO that is the fault of the attention the rabid feminists get. They tend to tar everyone with their brush so to speak.

It's not the fault of the average person when they shut down after hearing someone identify as a feminist.

I don't think Meghan will have an issue with it at all, she has never come across (based on the interviews I've seen with her discussion the issues and even feminism) as someone trying to lead a crusade in a aggressive or political manner.


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Old 01-01-2018, 01:57 PM
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The causes William, Catherine and Harry focus on now impact women just as much as men.

Drug addiction, homelessness, mental health to name a few. I think Meghan being a ‘voice’ for women is kind of insulting to the work other members of the royal family already do.
I don't get how it is insulting

While yes, the issue of mental health affects all walks of society, Harry and the Cambridges have all taken a different approach to mental health. Harry focusses on soldiers and the impact mental health has on them. William focusses on bereavement. Kate's focus is a little less clear, seems to be mainly children. For Meghan to focus on women's mental health would be her angle in joining the work that the trio already does. It would only add to their work, not take away from it.

No one suggested Meghan was the ONLY voice for women. Simply that she could be a voice for women. There are many causes that affect women in society, and room enough for more then one royal woman to speak on.

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IMO that is the fault of the attention the rabid feminists get. They tend to tar everyone with their brush so to speak.

It's not the fault of the average person when they shut down after hearing someone identify as a feminist.

I don't think Meghan will have an issue with it at all, she has never come across (based on the interviews I've seen with her discussion the issues and even feminism) as someone trying to lead a crusade in a aggressive or political manner.
For no other reason then what you say right now, I hope Meghan declares herself a feminist, AGAIN.

This sick need for anyone, especially other women to paint feminists as RABID is embarrassing. Women who want equal rights to men but who cant be bothered to speak up for themselves. Painting other women as man haters. Feminists do not want special rights, they don't hate men, they want equal rights. Maybe if other women stopped attacking feminists, while enjoying the freedoms those feminists earned them, maybe we wouldn't be tarred and feathered constantly.

Its great men like Justin Trudeau have stepped up and shown feminism is not an evil world. Nor is it something only women are.

Of course anytime a woman doesn't sit demurely and quietly, and ask for a petition over tea, she is rabid.

'Well-behaved women rarely make history'.
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Old 01-01-2018, 02:16 PM
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The causes William, Catherine and Harry focus on now impact women just as much as men.

Drug addiction, homelessness, mental health to name a few. I think Meghan being a ‘voice’ for women is kind of insulting to the work other members of the royal family already do.
How is encouraging girls to reach for the stars and expecting the same treatment as their brothers insulting to other members of the royal family? Or working with young girls on self esteem issues? I don’t think that’s an issue that’s been address very clearly by the royal foundation as of right now. And it’s not a dig or criticism at them because one foundation can’t do everything and they’ve picked their own issues. So now we can have someone else that can address something that’s not being addressed, everybody should be happy about that.
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Old 01-01-2018, 02:27 PM
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I don't get how it is insulting

While yes, the issue of mental health affects all walks of society, Harry and the Cambridges have all taken a different approach to mental health. Harry focusses on soldiers and the impact mental health has on them. William focusses on bereavement. Kate's focus is a little less clear, seems to be mainly children. For Meghan to focus on women's mental health would be her angle in joining the work that the trio already does. It would only add to their work, not take away from it.

No one suggested Meghan was the ONLY voice for women. Simply that she could be a voice for women. There are many causes that affect women in society, and room enough for more then one royal woman to speak on.



For no other reason then what you say right now, I hope Meghan declares herself a feminist, AGAIN.

This sick need for anyone, especially other women to paint feminists as RABID is embarrassing. Women who want equal rights to men but who cant be bothered to speak up for themselves. Painting other women as man haters. Feminists do not want special rights, they don't hate men, they want equal rights. Maybe if other women stopped attacking feminists, while enjoying the freedoms those feminists earned them, maybe we wouldn't be tarred and feathered constantly.

Its great men like Justin Trudeau have stepped up and shown feminism is not an evil world. Nor is it something only women are.

Of course anytime a woman doesn't sit demurely and quietly, and ask for a petition over tea, she is rabid.

'Well-behaved women rarely make history'.

You can ignore the reality of how these women act (rabid feminists) if you like but that doesn't change the fact that they do exist and we've all seen them or been victims of their commentary. There's no need to paint them as anything...their actions speak for themselves.

Your idea of women behaving badly must vary greatly from mine, if you condone their behavior.

Beyond this it's evident that Meghan is not of the rabid feminist type and this is a good thing.


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Old 01-01-2018, 04:28 PM
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Off topic, but related to the things I have read that Meghan has said that relate to women's right's...

I'm for women's rights - have been lo these many years. And everything I have worked for had/has a benefit for men, children and other women. Because we succeed with one another, rather than on the backs of one another. This seems true of all of what I have read she cares about.

And I think the BRF has been pro men, women, children in this way as well.

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Old 01-01-2018, 06:56 PM
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Honestly I don't think she's going to do anything too political. You can get involved with causes that help women without approaching it from the political angle. She can roll up her sleeves and expose the need for women to have access to sanitary health without lecturing and pounding the pulpit.

IIRC Camilla is involved with some 'women's issues and manages it without causing controversy.


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She can get involved with some issues, like the well in that one country she went to. But I think she will have to stay away from the word feminist which she has used in the past. Domestic violence is a neutral cause though some people di say violence against men needs to be talked about more.
I may be mistaken but I recall Meghan saying in a speech she was proud to be a feminist and I assume statements like that won't sit well with the firm, it's too political and controversial. She may have to say statements like she supports equality for women or for everyone.
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Old 01-01-2018, 07:11 PM
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I think if she worked for a UN body and talked about women's rights it might give her more cover over any political flack.
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Old 01-01-2018, 07:18 PM
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Didn't Meghan once work for the UN in some sort of ambassadorial role? She could take up something like that, advocating equal rights / women's rights etc
That would be a 'no-no'. She can't do anything that suggests political involvement unless she wants to cause a constitutional crisis in Britain.

Encouraging girls to strive to be the best they can be is one thing but to talk about equality and women's rights (which already largely exist in the UK) takes her into an arena she will have to learn to avoid.

That will be the hardest thing for her in many ways - learning that she can't say what she wants, when she wants on any issue she wants. She will be told by the government what to say and have her speeches approved etc. She is marrying into a family with fewer freedoms than the rest of the British population - the price they pay for their luxurious lifestyle is a total lack of freedom of speech and movement. Even a quick trip down to the shops will need to be 'pre-approved' by the security people. She is really giving up her freedom.
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Old 01-01-2018, 07:23 PM
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Equality rights in the Uk are enshrined in law. Have been for many years. The legislation is in place.

So she doesn't need to change anything about the law, only attitude. And that is with businesses, universities, political establishments, the press and the public.

Minefield - requires softly softly approach. Show by example.

And she definitely cannot condemn anything that happens in other countries directly. Again its soft, diplomatic approach.

She is more than capable of doing it - she just needs to understand what is required/how it is to be handled by the British Government. And stick with it.
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Old 01-01-2018, 07:59 PM
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That would be a 'no-no'. She can't do anything that suggests political involvement unless she wants to cause a constitutional crisis in Britain.

Encouraging girls to strive to be the best they can be is one thing but to talk about equality and women's rights (which already largely exist in the UK) takes her into an arena she will have to learn to avoid.
May I ask why talking about equality and women's rights is off limits? I just thought she needed to steer clear of the term feminist not necessarily steer clear of "women's rights"
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Old 01-01-2018, 08:05 PM
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Any form of 'rights' is a political matter and she can't get involved in anything political at all.
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Old 01-01-2018, 08:11 PM
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She could simply offer a forum to encourage women to take on leadership roles. A lot of it isnít because women canít by law, we can, but itís the mindset of both the women and society overall, such as studies have shown that women are promoted based on what theyíre already doing, but men is promoted by their potential. Or encouraging women to have the confidence to be more assertive. Opening a dialogue about that type of soft issues that laws canít address is vital to improve this issue.
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Old 01-01-2018, 08:26 PM
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What makes something political? If she's not speaking about laws or national policies, why should something be considered political?

And do we know that the word "feminism" is considered political term by the "firm"? I mean, if it is, she'll have to stay away from it. But, do we know that? I very strongly disagree that there's anything inherently political about the term. Obviously, you can approach it from a political angle, but if you're making sure girls have access to education by making sure they have sanitary products, that's not political, but it is feminist. So, why should the word itself be a boogeyman word?

I mean, there are rules and she'll follow them regardless of what I say. But, I just don't see the point in not being able to say the "f" word in her public comments, when there's nothing inherently political about the word itself.
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Old 01-01-2018, 08:39 PM
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I think the reason Meghan is starting over with charitable interests is the Firm wants her to learn its way of doing things.

British royals have a lot of constraints put on them that Hollywood types don’t have to worry about.

It’s one thing to post Instagram videos complaining about the state of world when you’re a celebrity. It’s a whole new way doing things when you’re a royal.
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Old 01-01-2018, 08:55 PM
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She might have supported causes or charities that overlap or even may be in conflict with current BRF interests. It may not be all of her charities, but even if it is one or two that's enough to clean the slate and start anew.

I never looked up her charities and interests, so I cannot speak of particulars, but I do think that if she was involved with, say, 12 organizations and BP or KP or CH had issues, conflicts or duplication with even 2 of them, it would be better to clear the deck than to bring unwanted focus to issues that might be construed as court rivalry.
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Old 01-01-2018, 09:44 PM
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I think the reason Meghan is starting over with charitable interests is the Firm wants her to learn its way of doing things.

British royals have a lot of constraints put on them that Hollywood types donít have to worry about.

Itís one thing to post Instagram videos complaining about the state of world when youíre a celebrity. Itís a whole new way doing things when youíre a royal.
Yea, Meghan didnít just post Instagram videos complaining about state of the world. In fact, they provided solutions and encouraged other to follow suit. IG is just one way to spread the word. She also had commercial for UN Women, and official promotional videos for the organizations much like members of the royal family has done.

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She might have supported causes or charities that overlap or even may be in conflict with current BRF interests. It may not be all of her charities, but even if it is one or two that's enough to clean the slate and start anew.

I never looked up her charities and interests, so I cannot speak of particulars, but I do think that if she was involved with, say, 12 organizations and BP or KP or CH had issues, conflicts or duplication with even 2 of them, it would be better to clear the deck than to bring unwanted focus to issues that might be construed as court rivalry.
Itís not so much as conflicting with others or duplication. Two major issues here. One was that most of the charities she was involved with were outside of UK. Two was that some of it can be seen as political even if itís not for one side or other. For example, her specific role with UN Women is to encourage womenís political participation specifically.
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Old 01-01-2018, 09:52 PM
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Itís not so much as conflicting with others or duplication. Two major issues here. One was that most of the charities she was involved with were outside of UK. Two was that some of it can be seen as political even if itís not for one side or other. For example, her specific role with UN Women is to encourage womenís political participation specifically.
Serves me right for not researching Meghan's charitable interests!

Thank you, Jacqui.
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Old 01-01-2018, 09:58 PM
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Serves me right for not researching Meghan's charitable interests!

Thank you, Jacqui.
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Old 01-02-2018, 12:04 AM
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I guess for me it doesn't really matter if Meghan never says the word "feminist" again, because she's already on the record as saying she is one. Proudly. So even if she never says so again, does anyone actually believe that means she no longer holds those views? When it comes to issues on women and equality, where she stands and what she believes is pretty much already out there. She won't be able to speak that freely going forward, but unless the BRF plan to have her come out and denounce everything she's ever said or believed in the past, (which they won't) her views are already out there. I think she will just work within the constraints she has, while still shining a light on what she cares about. She can still have a voice, just in a different way.
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