Archie will be a prince of the United Kingdom when his grandfather is king. He is not a private citizen then.
Again, we know the godparents of Prince Joachim's, or Princess Astrid's , or Infanta Elena's children, all of whom are grandchildren of a sovereign in collateral line, just as Archie will be one day. It is not unreasonable that detailed information on his baptism be made public.
Why is that not an issue anywhere for several families in a similar position and is an issue specifically for the Sussexes ? I am sorry, but I think the Sussexes are overreacting.
Both Zara's and Peter's godparents are known. It is a matter of public interest and historic record for grandchildren of a sovereign. Again, Archie may be a great-grandson now, but he will be a sovereign's grandson eventually. We should know the same about his early life as we know about Peter's or Zara's or Louise's or any other European royal grandchild.
My personal view is that details of Godparents are not a matter for the state - even tho' in this instance the parents in question represent The Crown.
A Godparents’ role is the spritual concern for their Godchildren.
That said the reaction to this is likely to be wholly negative [within the United Kingdom], and the couple really seem unable to realise they are needlessly antagonising and excluding the Public on whom they [ultimately] depend.
We have no idea what Archie’s title will be but I’m willing to bet he will never be Prince Archie of Sussex. I think not even giving him the Earldom told everyone where this was going. He is a private citizen. They treating him as such.
We are getting pictures. We will see him with his parents on tour and no doubt other family engagements like Trooping. That should be enough.
And who are the godparents for the Philip and Tindalls children, I just did a search and came up with nothing. For Lena’s recent christening a statement from the palace said it was a private matter.
These comparisons to the Philips and Tindalls are rrelevant to any argument in my opinion. Those families are not royal to begin with. Peter and Zara are the children of a princess, but are not royal themselves. Their children are literally regular private citizens, with the Queen as a great-grandmother. They are as relevant to the monarchy as Alexander Ramsay was, miniscule. While he may be titeless right now, Archie will become a male line grandchild of the monarch who has the ability to become a HRH. If he should be compared to anyone, I would say it should be Louise and James, who have a similar situation to him except for a few differences.
While I do respect the parents wishes and understand how they want to raise Archie, I do think their fears may be just a little overblown. I haven't really seen any indication that people would invade the godparents lives that much, but maybe I've missed the previous examples.
That said the reaction to this is likely to be wholly negative [within the United Kingdom], and the couple really seem unable to realise they are needlessly antagonising and excluding the Public on whom they [ultimately] depend.
Frankly, to me it is not an issue as to who Archie's godparents are. But to me, this is a pointless own goal. IMO, there is nothing to be achieved by withholding the information, but just more drama to be created, and more goodwill lost needlessly.
The press weren’t at the Wessex christenings either. So more or less the same. It was completely private and they released pictures. They did release the godparents names but again for Archie’s this was at their request which was made clear.
I can't make out if you're implying that Harry is too weak-minded or too ignorant to partake in decisions regarding his own son?
I think I am right in saying that the Cambridges were the first couple to invite the press to record the arrival of the guests. Previous royal christening were totally private with photographs issued later. I do believe god parents were announced though. I am referring to the queens children and grand children here.
If you are angry that people want their privacy and it takes away your so called goodwill then likely it was never there in the first place.
That said the reaction to this is likely to be wholly negative [within the United Kingdom], and the couple really seem unable to realise they are needlessly antagonising and excluding the Public on whom they [ultimately] depend.
Interpret it as you wish.
People are saying we shouldn’t be comparing Archie to the Cambridge children and we don’t know who the Phillips or Tindall godparents are...Mia and Lena will never be grandchildren of a reigning Monarch, regardless of whether they and Archie are currently only great grandchildren of one. We know the godparents of all the Queen’s grandchildren because they are that - a reigning monarch’s grandchildren. Currently Archie is “only” a great grand child but he won’t alaays be just that. This obsession with privacy is bordering on weird frankly. Edward and Sophie strived for privacy for their children and they have achieved it but they still manage to provide details about their children’s lives. Whether Edward and Sophie liked it or not, their kids are grandchildren of a monarch and they realised that.
Archie will be even more well known than the Wessex children and Harry and Meghan need to get over themselves and realise this. Privacy can be achieved - all they have to do is look at Harry’s two youngest cousins to know it’s possible. They just also need to realise that they as the parents are not private people and belong to one of the most famous families in the world.
I am not angry at all, I am just amused at the consistent lack of maturity in dealing with these matters displayed by H&M.
I am not angry at all, I am just amused at the consistent lack of maturity in dealing with these matters displayed by H&M.
As the codparents wish to not be named, then that's it. Their right to privacy should come first. I don't get why anyone would be upset about that.
Pulling the privacy card whenever it suits them will be annoying people to no end.
The problem is that Harry and Meghan seem to want all the privileges of their position without the “constraints” of tradition and publicity...which even as a life-long Monarchist I find hard to defend.
The problem is that Harry and Meghan seem to want all the privileges of their position without the “constraints” of tradition and publicity...which even as a life-long Monarchist I find hard to defend.
The problem is that Harry and Meghan seem to want all the privileges of their position without the “constraints” of tradition and publicity...which even as a life-long Monarchist I find hard to defend.
I am not angry at all, I am just amused at the consistent lack of maturity in dealing with these matters displayed by H&M.
As in what? What have they denied the public? Did we not see Archie after his birth?