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Old 07-06-2019, 09:28 AM
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Yes. Totally. The guest rode in with Charles. Imagine the conversation.

Chris Ship thinks the little Cambridges attended as well. It not long now until the pictures are released.
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Old 07-06-2019, 09:30 AM
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I agree they clearly have the discretion to do as they please. However, that comes of as self-serving and not so much in tune with royal tradition. Apparently, they are ok with that image (imo they are smart enough to know the effect of what they are doing; if they aren't aware, their aides should help them out) - and I am sure they don't mind us discussing their latest illogical move.
If by self-serving, you mean making decisions on how to raise a baby that is generating a lot of interest, but have no role in the monarchy, then I have no problem with it. I’m not sure what is so illogical about protecting private citizens’ identities as they wish. The only illogical thing is the entitlement by people to know.
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Old 07-06-2019, 09:30 AM
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Where are they going to fit everyone? The picture in an article posted previously shows the chapel and it is tiny! How on earth will they fit the family, godparents and choir in?
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Old 07-06-2019, 09:32 AM
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So according to BP, photos taken by Chris Allerton should be released around sometime around 3pm today. So soon, maybe 2-3 more hours.
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Old 07-06-2019, 09:41 AM
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I predict that Archie will have a traditional Christening and that we will see photographs of the occasion, including the Godparents.
There is no reason to keep the Godparents under wraps - except to create ill will.
I suspect that they will be announced after the event.
So why all the claims that they are not going to announce he names of the godparents? or that the christening is to be totally private and the implication being that tehre wont be any photos released
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Old 07-06-2019, 09:46 AM
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If by self-serving, you mean making decisions on how to raise a baby that is generating a lot of interest, but have no role in the monarchy, then I have no problem with it. I’m not sure what is so illogical about protecting private citizens’ identities as they wish. The only illogical thing is the entitlement by people to know.
I am sure you understood I referred to various decisions made by the couple; this is just one of them.

And you are free to blame 'us' for being entitled when we only expect them to follow some basic royal traditions as Marengo explained very well in his post. Clearly, you think they are exempt for doing so. Is that because you don't really care about royal traditions in general? Or are their certain traditions that you think they should uphold?
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Old 07-06-2019, 09:47 AM
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^^ There has never been any implication that no photographs would be released. It was announced that photos will be taken in the Green Drawing Room after the ceremony and will be released later. Maybe in about three hours. And all christenings in the BRF are private.
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Old 07-06-2019, 09:47 AM
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So why all the claims that they are not going to announce he names of the godparents? or that the christening is to be totally private and the implication being that tehre wont be any photos released
The announcement from Buckingham Palace states that in keeping with the wishes of the godparents, their names will remain private. It also stated that photos will be released after the christening.

The names of the godparents will be noted for historic record, and for right now, it's not for public consumption or knowledge. I think once the furore over everything Harry and Meghan dies down, I think some historian will be granted access to it and we will find out. However, right now, there is just too much animosity for H&M in the press for any of their private friends to want to endure what is sure to be a detailed perusal of their lives splashed all across U.K tabloids.
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Old 07-06-2019, 09:48 AM
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So why all the claims that they are not going to announce he names of the godparents? or that the christening is to be totally private and the implication being that tehre wont be any photos released
The statement from the court was clear on that pictures will be released after the christening. It was the same announcement that indicated that the christening would take place today and the names of godparents would not be released.
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Old 07-06-2019, 09:51 AM
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I am sure you understood I referred to various decisions made by the couple; this is just one of them.

And you are free to blame 'us' for being entitled when we only expect them to follow some basic royal traditions as Marengo explained very well in his post. Clearly, you think they are exempt for doing so. Is that because you don't really care about royal traditions in general? Or are their certain traditions that you think they should uphold?
My view on tradition doesn’t matter and isn’t up for discussion here.

And yes, I’m aware it’s multiple decisions, as I pointed out to decisions regarding how being up a baby that has appeal, but without a role in the monarchy. Frankly, I find the general conversation about expectations placed on non working royals to be odd. They are expected to find their own way, yet people still expect things from them. Odd.

Meghan and Harry have official roles, and there are expectation they announce major life events in their life and give certain access. But no one is entitled to Archie. If they want it, they should make clear he’s expected to work for the monarchy and have HRH title and all the things that come with it. Otherwise, he is allowed freedom from all of that.
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The names of the godparents will be noted for historic record, and for right now, it's not for public consumption or knowledge. I think once the furore over everything Harry and Meghan dies down, I think some historian will be granted access to it and we will find out. However, right now, there is just too much animosity for H&M in the press for any of their private friends to want to endure what is sure to be a detailed perusal of their lives splashed all across U.K tabloids.
I'd say the names of the godparents are recorded in accordance with church requirements. I hope that one day access will indeed be granted to something that should be publicly available (although it's interesting that no one in the press ever thought to request the godparents of Savannah, Isla, Mia, Lena or grandchildren of the Kents and Gloucesters) - however, as you expect it to become available: what's the timeframe you are thinking about?
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https://twitter.com/mirrorroyal/stat...190632961?s=21

Harry’s old nanny Tiggy was a guest as well.
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Old 07-06-2019, 10:03 AM
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I'd say the names of the godparents are recorded in accordance with church requirements. I hope that one day access will indeed be granted to something that should be publicly available (although it's interesting that no one in the press ever thought to request the godparents of Savannah, Isla, Mia, Lena or grandchildren of the Kents and Gloucesters) - however, as you expect it to become available: what's the timeframe you are thinking about?
Given it is a royal peculiar, it is in accordance with church requirement. As it reports to no one but the monarch. As with everything else in the royal archive, it’ll be made available when there is a need for it to be available from a historic record point of view.
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Old 07-06-2019, 10:05 AM
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Which article? The one I read said Charles flew in by helicopter. Letís not go overboard just to criticize the couple.
You are right, sorry. I must have misread it while skimming over the article.
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Old 07-06-2019, 10:08 AM
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Harry’s old nanny Tiggy was a guest as well.
Possibly a godmother? I’m sure she’ll be asked that question.
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I'd say the names of the godparents are recorded in accordance with church requirements. I hope that one day access will indeed be granted to something that should be publicly available (although it's interesting that no one in the press ever thought to request the godparents of Savannah, Isla, Mia, Lena or grandchildren of the Kents and Gloucesters) - however, as you expect it to become available: what's the timeframe you are thinking about?
My timeframe would be a few years. I'm thinking of a royal historian who would do a documentary of some type. In a few years, the "hype" over H&M would have hopefully died down and people would be more focused on their work for the Crown rather than who their son's godparents are. Harry and Meghan share their public life with the world, but they don't have to share their personal which includes their close friends who want to remain out of the spotlight. We get some updates about Archie because his future role in the monarchy is uncertain at this point ( he can either be a full time working royal in the future or a completely private citizen) and I think that H&M are leaving that decision up to him to make. In the mean time, he's just Archie, a 2 month old who has been christened today and welcomed into the church family.
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Old 07-06-2019, 10:13 AM
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Well, I can’t wait to see pictures.

Btw, am I the only surprised there hasn’t been a fit issue with the gown yet with all the babies?
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Old 07-06-2019, 10:17 AM
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Well, I canít wait to see pictures.

Btw, am I the only surprised there hasnít been a fit issue with the gown yet with all the babies?
Me too. Looking forward to the pictures. Regarding the fit, the dress maker probably made it to fit up to a certain weight for babies. Was Lena christened in the same gown? If she was, then it's a possibility it's made to fit babies from a few months up to 48 months. Just a guess.
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Old 07-06-2019, 10:20 AM
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The announcement from Buckingham Palace states that in keeping with the wishes of the godparents, their names will remain private. It also stated that photos will be released after the christening.

The names of the godparents will be noted for historic record, and for right now, it's not for public consumption or knowledge. I think once the furore over everything Harry and Meghan dies down, I think some historian will be granted access to it and we will find out. However, right now, there is just too much animosity for H&M in the press for any of their private friends to want to endure what is sure to be a detailed perusal of their lives splashed all across U.K tabloids.
So,if someone makes a request to see the baptism certificate under the Parochial Registers and Records Measure and the Palace claims they are private, how will the RF defend itself from the accusation of flouting the law ? Church lawyers have already said royal peculiars are not exempt.

I trust you realize that is an unnecessary controversy that could be easily avoided . Besides , it is actually putting all the guests in jeopardy as far as their privacy is concerned. Harry’s nanny was just seen arriving the ceremony. Of course she will be asked now if she was a godmother, even if she isn’t. Nobody from the press would harass her on the other hand if the identity of the godparents were known.
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Old 07-06-2019, 10:21 AM
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My timeframe would be a few years. I'm thinking of a royal historian who would do a documentary of some type. In a few years, the "hype" over H&M would have hopefully died down and people would be more focused on their work for the Crown rather than who their son's godparents are. Harry and Meghan share their public life with the world, but they don't have to share their personal which includes their close friends who want to remain out of the spotlight. We get some updates about Archie because his future role in the monarchy is uncertain at this point ( he can either be a full time working royal in the future or a completely private citizen) and I think that H&M are leaving that decision up to him to make. In the mean time, he's just Archie, a 2 month old who has been christened today and welcomed into the church family.
I don't think it's up to Archie to decide whether he wants to be a full-time working royal. That's up to the monarch of that time (and most likely it's already clear what wille be expected of him - however, if a tragedy were to strike that decision could be altered). He might be able to refuse to become one if that would be requested (which I don't think will happen based on the numbers that I calculated previously) but he can't require to become one just because he would want to.

It has been said that Andrew would like his daughters to be full-time royals (and they indeed seem to enjoy doing royal-charity type work, so that could very well be the case) but they aren't because the current and/or future monarch don't want them to.
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