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Old 06-06-2021, 05:23 PM
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But they do want to call her Lili.. they have said so.. and its apparently quite a popular name in the US at present.


Calling her lili and wanting her real name to be Lilibet are not mutually exclusive.
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Old 06-06-2021, 05:23 PM
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Why wasn't he disqualified by being in the line of succession elsewhere?
I dont think there was any rule against it. George I was in the line of succession for the Kingdom of Hanover, and he became King.
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Old 06-06-2021, 05:23 PM
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So certainly her GRANDSON is entitled to honor his grandmother that way. He isn’t asking anyone to call HM Lilibet. And just because it’s HMs nickname, it’s cynical and dishonorable to use it again? How does that make any sense? Especially when they’ve made clear she will be called Lili.
Have you been following how Harry and Meghan have been trashing the RF, the monarchy itself, and parenting by the RF the last few months? They are incredibly tone deaf.
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Old 06-06-2021, 05:24 PM
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Why wasn't he disqualified by being in the line of succession elsewhere?
Maybe he was. Never thought of that. Is anyone able to confirm that?
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Old 06-06-2021, 05:25 PM
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I just rolled my eyes when I first saw the chosen name. Fancy burdening a new baby with such a childish nickname, and what a cheek appropriating the Queen’s special name, after the disrespect this couple has shown the Royal Family. Perhaps it would’ve been more seemly to have named their daughter Lilli/Lili, with mention of the connection, rather than stealing the name itself.
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Old 06-06-2021, 05:26 PM
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Congratulations on the birth of a healthy baby girl, and I'm glad Meghan is doing well.

I find the choice of name incredibly cynical, and in my personal opinion a clear attempt to stay in the royal limelight. I cannot match the attitude both Henry and Meghan have outspokenly portrayed, verbally, since leaving the royal family and "honouring" The Queen with the use of her incredibly personal and heartfelt nickname used by her beloved husband and family.



I don't believe the word "private" means that everyone doesn't know. Lilibet isn't a typical name for the given name Elizabeth, it is one used by her family only. It's incredibly private in that manner.

Lilibet will now become one of those Top 10 names in the next couple of years, in my opinion ruining the private nature of the name.
I agree that this controversy about the name will keep them in the limelight.
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Old 06-06-2021, 05:30 PM
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Congratulations to Harry and Meghan. I'm glad mother and baby are doing well. I think it is very nice that they honored Harry's grandmother and mother. Lilibet is the Queen's family name and Harry, Meghan, Archie and little Lilibet are family.
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Old 06-06-2021, 05:32 PM
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I'm probably the only person who doesn't like the name Lili/ Lily. I do, on the other hand, like Lilibet very much. It's pretty, it's unique and more elegant than Lili in my opinion. That's my opinion on the name by itself, without the context...

However, for them to use this name after spending the past year, and recent months in particular, trashing the Queen's parenting, her family & life's work, is beyond hypocritical and distasteful. I cannot perceive them as genuinely trying to honour someone, to whom they have not shown much respect at all, and whom they have caused a tremendous amount of hurt during one of the most difficult times in her life.

If they had shown the Queen love and respect as Harry's grandmother and a dear family member, I would think it a sweet tribute. In this context, I cannot.

I also really, really doubt that they asked the Queen's permission, which they should have since it is an intimate nickname and certainly not a common one! And she is a Queen, so in my opinion they should have asked permission even if they had wanted to use Elizabeth as a first name (as opposed to a middle name as the other members of the family have done). It's just the respectful thing to do.

If one disregards the disrespectful behaviour and constant seeking of fame (and that's what this name is meant to do, in my opinion, provide more fame and money making opportunities) of the parents, I think it will still be a sweet connection for the Queen and Lilibet to share. The Queen can't be happy with what Harry & Meghan are doing, but she might still be happy to have her nickname live on in her great-granddaughter. And when Lilibet is old enough to understand the Queen's life and reign, I hope it will be very special to her, too
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Old 06-06-2021, 05:35 PM
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It makes me cringe to imagine HM's staff and close family referring to the baby as Lilibet in the presence of The Queen. So awkward! The name seems like such a "gotcha" move on the part of Harry and his wife.
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But they are ‘personal choices’ of each member of the royal family. No new parent names their child by committee or takes note of what crowds of strangers think about their choices.

Every parent chooses a name they love for their new baby, whether a family name or not, and what others, think about that choice doesn’t matter one jot. Or shouldn’t.
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Old 06-06-2021, 05:40 PM
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It makes me cringe to imagine HM's staff and close family referring to the baby as Lilibet in the presence of The Queen. So awkward! The name seems like such a "gotcha" move on the part of Harry and his wife.


I will say, that is a bit cringe-worthy. Luckily she has a nickname, Lili, much like her father is called Harry and I doubt ever Henry.
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It makes me cringe to imagine HM's staff and close family referring to the baby as Lilibet in the presence of The Queen. So awkward! The name seems like such a "gotcha" move on the part of Harry and his wife.
Why wouldn’t staff and family refer to the baby as Lili, as her parents almost certainly will do?

I am really really glad we didn’t have social media when Harry was born in 1984. When announcing his formal names the parents stated that the baby would be henceforth known as Harry. Some people didn’t like that very much, but accepted it. If that happened today apparently all hell would break loose!
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Old 06-06-2021, 05:42 PM
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I thought at the time that Harry was an awful Victorian nickname for Henry, which had long since gone out of fashion...
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Old 06-06-2021, 05:47 PM
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I thought at the time that Harry was an awful Victorian nickname for Henry, which had long since gone out of fashion...
Victorian names are in fashion again now. And Harry has returned to popularity for British parents since then, unlike Archibald.
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Old 06-06-2021, 05:47 PM
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Why wouldn’t staff and family refer to the baby as Lili, as her parents almost certainly will do?

I am really really glad we didn’t have social media when Harry was born in 1984. When announcing his formal names the parents stated that the baby would be henceforth known as Harry. Some people didn’t like that very much, but accepted it. If that happened today apparently all hell would break loose!


Social media would have done a number on Andrew and Fergie with the odd old names Eugenie and Beatrice.
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Old 06-06-2021, 05:49 PM
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Victorian names are in fashion again now. And Harry has returned to popularity for British parents since then, unlike Archibald.
Yes I know. Thanks to Harry the awful name is now quite common.
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Old 06-06-2021, 05:51 PM
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Yes I know. Thanks to Harry the awful name is now quite common.


Was there any controversy or backlash on the name Zara? Which is certainly odd by royal standards and also means Princess which…seems pretentious given she is not a princess.
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Old 06-06-2021, 05:53 PM
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Was there any controversy or backlash on the name Zara? Which is certainly odd by royal standards and also means Princess which…seems pretentious given she is not a princess.
It was considered very odd, but Anne was clearly not giving her children royal names, i.e. Peter and Zara and they were not meant to be working royals ever.. nor to have titles. And Zara is not "Princess" - that's "Sarah". Anne chose conventional middle names for her children however, calling Peter "Mark and Andrew" after his own father and Philips father.. and Zara is Zara Anne Elizabeth.
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Old 06-06-2021, 05:56 PM
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I wished they had gone with Lili or Lily as the official first name and explain it as a tribute to Lilibet. Lily/Lily goes better with Archie since he is just Archie and not Archibald “Archie”. Archie and Lily sound fresh without being too stuffy or weird.

I know H&M want a non-traditional name, to honor both Elizabeth and Diana, to not match Charlotte Elizabeth Diana, and to match Archie by not having three names, but did they need to lay claim on Lilibet just to call her Lili? They probably did it to stir the pot.

It would be interesting to see which name will be used more often in the future. The royal court will always use the formal name and the media will mention it often. I hope the Queen gave them her blessing to use Lilibet with the strict instruction to not do anything with it like Archie and Archewell. I hope Lili is able to meet her namesake and be happy with the name she uses when she grows up.

Speaking of Lily, Lily of the Valley is one of the Queen’s favorite flowers. And since they are in SoCal, she can be Lili of the Valley. LOL just pointing it out, not trying to speak ill about a baby.
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Old 06-06-2021, 05:56 PM
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Yes I know. Thanks to Harry the awful name is now quite common.
😄 Well, presumably the men and boys themselves, their parents and other close relatives don’t think the same way!
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