Birth of Lilibet “Lili” Diana Mountbatten-Windsor: June 4, 2021

[RandyDrx]

Originally Posted by Royalist.in.NC

I think you have an excellent point! Why give the Susssexes any more oxygen?

I thought it telling that the Cambridges referred to the baby as Lili in their congratulations and not her full name. I also thought the same thing about them saying congrats to Harry, Meghan and Archie instead of The Duke and Duchess of Sussex - which the royals always do when posting birthday wishes.

Looking back at the announcement I laughed when I saw they’d released it with the monogram. And the spine of Megan’s book didn’t even include the title. Literally every book I’ve ever seen (with the exception of very old books) has the title of the book written in large font with the author’s name in smaller font. It is blatantly obvious that they care very much about their titles and connection to the RF that they’ve been bashing for months. I guess nobody ever told them “don’t bite the hand that feeds you.”

Of course they are, how else are they going to make money?

[Royalist.in.NC]

Originally Posted by Heavs

And now they're accusing the BBC of libel and defamation:

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/h...ibet-xqblbxx7t

Oh good grief! These two children didn’t get their way on the HalfInHalfOut manifesto and they’ve been whining and passive aggressive about it ever since.

[Denville]

I've never heard these days of a book which doesn't have the title on the spine but just the authors name. but I guess they think people will see "Meg and Duchess" and buy the book....

[Archduchess Zelia]

Originally Posted by Denville

I agree. I think that if they'd gone for her proper name Elizabeth, she would have been fine with it.. but even then it must seem odd to find that her grandson whos been calling her whole family monsters, wants to name his child after her. but she would have stilfed any feelings about that, and accepted the naming.

Can I ask, most everyone here seems very confident that the Queen disapproves of the name but what exactly is there to suggest that she isn't fine with Lili being named Lilibet? Apart from random people with no relation to her's personal assumptions, dubious "royal" sources and people over-analysing photo captions?

Why is the default line of thinking that she disapproves?

[Duc_et_Pair]

I would have liked it better when the parents announced: "Her names are Elizabeth Diana. We call her Lilibet."


When the late Prince Claus registered his firstborn to the Mayor of Utrecht he litterally said (as was broadcast on TV): "His names are Willem-Alexander Claus Georg Ferdinand. We call him: Alexander".


By doing so it would be more stylish, it would have had more cachet, after all we are talking about a future Princess of the blood royal, no matter she will use her rightful title or not. "HRH Princess Lili of Sussex" is really too Barbie-esque.

[Denville]

Originally Posted by Archduchess Zelia

Can I ask, most everyone here seems very confident that the Queen disapproves of the name but what exactly is there to suggest that she isn't fine with Lili being named Lilibet? Apart from random people with no relation to her's personal assumptions, dubious "royal" sources and people over-analysing photo captions?

Why is the default line of thinking that she disapproves?

As I just said, I'm sure she was bewildered to find that the Sussexes wanted to call the baby after her, when they have made it clear that they feel they were so cruelly treated by the RF of which she is the head. IF they had said they wanted to call her Elizabeth as a second name, I think seh would have tried to be charitable and believe that they meant the name as an olive branch.. but to use a private name that only a few call her, as the given name, could only be some odd decision to focus public attention on her and their relationship iwht her.

[Tatiana Maria]

Originally Posted by Archduchess Zelia

Can I ask, most everyone here seems very confident that the Queen disapproves of the name but what exactly is there to suggest that she isn't fine with Lili being named Lilibet? Apart from random people with no relation to her's personal assumptions, dubious "royal" sources and people over-analysing photo captions?

If you mean the unidentified palace source cited by the BBC report, she/he did not state that the Queen disapproved or was unsupportive of the name.

[ACO]

Gotta love how the UK media and palace staff making it known they don’t want Lili named after the Queen. Poor thing will grow up knowing that. Probably wise she is born and raised in America.

The palace should just issue a statement at this point because briefing the BBC is pretty funny especially due to recent events.

[Erin9]

Originally Posted by Mbruno

Palace source denies that Harry and Meghan asked the Queen to use Lilibet name.



https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-57408163



Sussex spokesperson claims, however, that the Queen was the first member of the Family to be informed of the chosen name and was " supportive ".



The two statements are not necessarily mutually exclusive or contradictory.

That’s true.

[Royalist.in.NC]

This was on Twitter: could not figure out how to get The Times link. If someone else could, that would be great. Not sure if I can post the whole thing, but I got it directly from Twitter

https://twitter.com/MTSundayExpress/...183106/photo/1

[Heavs]

Originally Posted by Tatiana Maria

If you mean the unidentified palace source cited by the BBC report, she/he did not state that the Queen disapproved or was unsupportive of the name.

No but I suppose the thinking is that if she approved of the name then "Palace sources" would not leak that she did not give permission.

Even the Sussex spokesperson worded it in such a way that the words "we specifically asked her permission to name our baby Lilibet and she said that she was delighted" were never stated.

There's a lot of parsing and loop holes and "our truth" in there.

I think it's highly possible she was told that Harry wanted to name a daughter after her but that she wasn't specifically asked about Lilibet. Or that they just told her and didn't give her a chance to say "I'd really prefer if you used Elizabeth or Lily".

I don't think "Palace Sources" are always true but I don't think the BBC would have got involved in the "controversy" over the name if they didn't have a *good* source. And neither do the RRs.

And quite frankly the Sussexes have no track record when it comes to the facts either.

[_Heather_]

Good grief. Here we go with the threats and the lawsuits and the almost immediate clapback delivered through Scobie per the usual from these two. Funny how that whole "we don't pay attention to the noise" stuff just keeps being thrown out the window. But anyway, their newest war and threats appear to be aimed at the palace, the BBC, etc.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...urce-says.html

[Royalist.in.NC]

Originally Posted by Duc_et_Pair

I would have liked it better when the parents announced: "Her names are Elizabeth Diana. We call her Lilibet."


When the late Prince Claus registered his firstborn to the Mayor of Utrecht he litterally said (as was broadcast on TV): "His names are Willem-Alexander Claus Georg Ferdinand. We call him: Alexander".


By doing so it would be more stylish, it would have had more cachet, after all we are talking about a future Princess of the blood royal, no matter she will use her rightful title or not. "HRH Princess Lili of Sussex" is really too Barbie-esque.

I agree that this would have been classier. But they plan to call her Lili not Lilibet.

[Erin9]

Originally Posted by Heavs

The fact that it's the BBC that broke the "absolutely not" story gives it more credibility to me than if it was just the ever updated and contradictory DM stories on this issue. Especially with them treading on eggshells over Bashir.

I don't believe for one second the ridiculous stories that they continually happily zoom with HM and she's the first to know everything whilst they keep trashing everything she's work for for 70 years.

Even the "we definitely asked" stories leave a lot of wiggle room "well we asked if we could name the baby after her..." "she knew we wanted to use her name..."

The Sussexes have now updated "their truth" to include that Lili is a "sweet nod" to Doria who used to call Meghan "flower". The fact that this was not included on the press release whereas the other details about the name *were* and indeed Doria was not mentioned at all until there was backlash tells me "this truth" happened for them in the last couple of days.

I don't believe the palace knew of the birth before hand because otherwise they'd have had a statement read to go and not just a few lines over and hour later that didn't even mention the name.

You don't have to believe "Palace sources" are always correct to also realise "Sussex spokespeople" and Omid Scobie are most certainly not reliable either.

It really is sad that there's so much controversy over a name for a baby though. And once again, this doesn't at all reflect on her in the slightest.

Excellent points.

It’s interesting that they’ve updated “their truth” to say that Lili is now a nod to Doria too. Funny how they didn’t make the initial release that was complete with a royal monogram, reference to Diana as THE Princess of Wales, etc. It was all about royal connections.

Good point about the Bashir interview being a reason for the BBC to be VERY careful about what they say right now. Especially if it involves royals.

I hadn’t thought about the time lag in responses to the birth. That does speak volumes about communications. I remember the Sussex communication even had the whole “embargoed until x” on it. It was certainly carefully timed.

Agreed There’s lots of wiggle room about what the Sussexes say regarding talking to HM about the name versus what actually happened.

This is all sad.

[Addapalla]

Originally Posted by Royalist.in.NC

I thought it telling that the Cambridges referred to the baby as Lili in their congratulations and not her full name.

The Cambridges know from the parents that their niece is to be known as Lili. Was it equally "telling" that the RF wasted little time in rebranding her father as Prince Harry?

There is so much fodder for discussion of Sussexes & Cambridges, but the attempts here and elsewhere to concoct a “Lilibet-gate” controversy seem unusually small-minded and petty.

[Erin9]

Originally Posted by Heavs

And now they're accusing the BBC of libel and defamation:

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/h...ibet-xqblbxx7t

Seriously?! I’d say this is unbelievable….but it’s not. This drags HM into this mess. That’s…..kind.

[Royalist.in.NC]

Originally Posted by Addapalla

The Cambridges know from the parents that their niece is to be known as Lili. Was it equally "telling" that the RF wasted little time in rebranding her father as Prince Harry?

There is so much fodder for discussion of Sussexes & Cambridges, but the attempts here to concoct a “Lilibet-gate” controversy seem unusually small-minded and petty.

I don’t think that we created it here. Have you looked at the BBC today?

[Kaye1850]

If only they had listened to me and named her ‘Lily Diana’…..

Or, ‘Lili Diana’ if they must.

[Denville]

Originally Posted by Kaye1850

If only they had listened to me and named her ‘Lily Diana’…..

Then the queen's name wouldn't have been in there.

[ACO]

Originally Posted by _Heather_

Good grief. Here we go with the threats and the lawsuits and the almost immediate clapback delivered through Scobie per the usual from these two. Funny how that whole "we don't pay attention to the noise" stuff just keeps being thrown out the window. But anyway, their newest war and threats appear to be aimed at the palace, the BBC, etc.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...urce-says.html

I mean why wouldn't they response? Their little girl's name is being thrown all over the media. They are protective of their kids and people are in a way attacking her. She 5 days old has had the most vile crap said about her.

The fact the palace is briefing against an infant is pretty wild to me but here we are in another drama between the Sussexes and the palace over a baby's name.

It was inevitable.