Birth of Lilibet “Lili” Diana Mountbatten-Windsor: June 4, 2021

[Denville]

Originally Posted by Erin9

Directly anyway. IMO- there are a lot of attacks- just not by name.

Though- there is a bit of irony that the one area Harry attacked HM by name was in the parenting department. And....they named their child after her. It’s....interesting.

It wouldn’t surprise me if HM was the only one to rate a video call. I do tend to believe that it is accurate that at least she did though.

hmm. I expect they did call. But I'm a bit skeptical of these chats they had with Philip when they went to the US. I get the feeling that Phil was leading a very quiet life, just doing the things that made hm happy in the last year.. and I cant' see him enjoying a chat with Harry all that much, knowing how much stress had been caused to the queen by his departure and general attitude.
I wonder why they are claiming closeness with Phil and the queen... and presumably the rest of the RF are terrible. Is is that they know it dont look good to attack a man who's just died - at least not TOO Severely? And the queen IS the top lady, so they want to keep up some kind of relationship with her and as H's granny, she may be trying to tolerate his behaivour...

[Sandy345]

I think the pandemic totally enhanced distress and perhaps changed the scenario. Maybe there would have been more regular trips by Harry and Meghan to the UK if it had not been for the pandemic. That also separated many families who could not be literally in the same room. Even Philip's funeral separated the family and they could not sit in close proximity to each other.

[Royalist.in.NC]

Originally Posted by Alison H

I used to know someone to whom everyone referred as "Michele with one l", because that was how she always introduced herself! Why her parents didn't just call her Michelle, I don't know. The Snowdons' daughter is Margarita, because Margaret, whilst a very popular name in the first half of the 20th century, was very old hat by the time that Margarita was born.

Liz, Lizzie, Liza, Eliza, Bet, Betty, Bess, Bessie, Bessy, Betsy and Beth are all used as shorts for Elizabeth: it's been such a popular name over the years that there are umpteen versions of it.

But Lilibet is a private family nickname.

Incidentally, the Queen Mother's childhood nickname was Buffy, long before anyone was into vampire slayers. I'm not sure why, but I suppose that a little kid might say Elizabuff, and that could easily become Buffy. At least they didn't use that!

Exactly my thoughts, Heather! Did not know that about the QM and Buffy

[ACO]

Prince Charles mentions baby Lili today.

https://twitter.com/chrisshipitv/sta...854362115?s=21

Prince Charles says his first words about Harry & Meghan’s #babylilibet - his 5th grandchild: “such happy news” he calls it “having recently become a grandfather for the fifth time.”

[Denville]

Originally Posted by Sandy345

I think the pandemic totally enhanced distress and perhaps changed the scenario. Maybe there would have been more regular trips by Harry and Meghan to the UK if it had not been for the pandemic. That also separated many families who could not be literally in the same room. Even Philip's funeral separated the family and they could not sit in close proximity to each other.

do you really think that Philip would have welcomed them had he known what they were doing in their off time... planning to launch attacks on the queen adn the rest of hte RF?

[Erin9]

Originally Posted by _Heather_

And they made sure to beat us over the head yet again with an emphasis on how close Harry is to HM and how even though everyone has talked about her King lessons with William, she has such an important bond with Harry and that remains...lest we forget.

Indeed. I do feel beat over the head with it at this point.

I know we’ll never know- but I sure would like to know what HM really thinks of the events of the last couple of years.

[Archduchess Zelia]

Originally Posted by _Heather_

And they made sure to beat us over the head yet again with an emphasis on how close Harry is to HM and how even though everyone has talked about her King lessons with William, she has such an important bond with Harry and that remains...lest we forget.

... She can't have an important bond with both grandsons?

[ladyjolene]

I have many friends who are teachers and, as others have pointed out here, that poor girl is going to be spelling out her name to everyone. It will get tiresome. She'll introduce herself as Lilibet. The response will be, "Elizabeth?" "No, it's Lilibet." When we named our daughter, we thought long and hard and didn't want to give her a name that would give her a headache. They also did Archie no favors with that name especially since they moved to the US--not a popular name here. A bit like Johnny Cash's "Boy Named Sue."

[ACO]

I think Lili and Archie will be just fine. Kids have different names all over but especially where they are growing up in California.

Kids get teased for anything and everything. They probably will be more mocked for their family connections more than their name if we being honest.

[Royalist.in.NC]

Originally Posted by Alison H

I used to know someone to whom everyone referred as "Michele with one l", because that was how she always introduced herself! Why her parents didn't just call her Michelle, I don't know. The Snowdons' daughter is Margarita, because Margaret, whilst a very popular name in the first half of the 20th century, was very old hat by the time that Margarita was born.

Liz, Lizzie, Liza, Eliza, Bet, Betty, Bess, Bessie, Bessy, Betsy and Beth are all used as shorts for Elizabeth: it's been such a popular name over the years that there are umpteen versions of it.

But Lilibet is a private family nickname.

Incidentally, the Queen Mother's childhood nickname was Buffy, long before anyone was into vampire slayers. I'm not sure why, but I suppose that a little kid might say Elizabuff, and that could easily become Buffy. At least they didn't use that!

Yes, Alison, and Lili will introduce herself as “Lili with an i “

[_Heather_]

Originally Posted by Archduchess Zelia

... She can't have an important bond with both grandsons?

Seriously? Of course she can. And probably does. That isn't even remotely the point, though I think it likely that you're aware of that. The point, since it apparently needs to be stated yet again, is that we've long known that while HM's relationships with each of her grandchildren differ just as individuals differ, she's always had close relationships with each of her grandchildren. This is nothing new. However, after the constant whine-fest of the last few months this article that was contributed heavily to by friends of Harry and Meghan, was at great pains and went to great lengths to reassure us, yet again, of just how close she and Harry are. We all know that that was because of all of the public bashing she's suffered at the hands of these two. There was really no need for them to, yet again, beat us over the head with that nugget of information unless they really, really feel the need to drive home the point and be sure that we all know that, without a doubt, HM and Harry are besties, super tight for life, nothing will break the bond kind of tight, doesn't matter what he says or does, he's the favorite kind of tight. Honestly, methinks they doth protest too much.

[Denville]

Originally Posted by ACO

I think Lili and Archie will be just fine. Kids have different names all over but especially where they are growing up in California.

Kids get teased for anything and everything. They probably will be more mocked for their family connections more than their name if we being honest.

so wont it be even worse if they are PRince Archie and Princess Lilibet?

[Royalist.in.NC]

Originally Posted by ladyjolene

I have many friends who are teachers and, as others have pointed out here, that poor girl is going to be spelling out her name to everyone. It will get tiresome. She'll introduce herself as Lilibet. The response will be, "Elizabeth?" "No, it's Lilibet." When we named our daughter, we thought long and hard and didn't want to give her a name that would give her a headache. They also did Archie no favors with that name especially since they moved to the US--not a popular name here. A bit like Johnny Cash's "Boy Named Sue."

Thanks so much to parents like you who select names that will not give their child a headache or worse. I had one student who begged me to talk to his mother about using a “typical” nickname for his quite unusual given name which he disliked. I called his mom but she refused to call him the requested (shortened and typical) name. However at school, I called him the nickname he requested and let teachers know about his request.

[ACO]

Originally Posted by Denville

so wont it be even worse if they are PRince Archie and Princess Lilibet?

It won't matter what they are called because bullies will bully regardless. You can't live your life worried about what people who have their own inner issues have. You can name your child the most generic name ever and someone will still mock it if that is the goal.

I am grateful I had parents who taught be to be proud of my name. It was similar to a character in Disney and people would attempt to tease. It didn't really work though cause I loved my name and I also was the type to push back on the bully. Though not all have that kind of personality.

[Erin9]

Originally Posted by Archduchess Zelia

... She can't have an important bond with both grandsons?

Of course she can. And with ALL her grandchildren. And great grandchildren for that matter.

I’m not sure why we need people magazine to point that out though. We’re getting hit over the head IMO with the idea that no matter what Harry says..... everything is all good with Granny. I have no idea how she actually feels, of course, but that’s the message anyway IMO.

[Denville]

Originally Posted by Erin9

Of course she can. And with ALL her grandchildren. And great grandchildren for that matter.

I’m not sure why we need people magazine to point that out though. We’re getting hit over the head IMO with the idea that no matter what Harry says..... everything is all good with Granny. I have no idea how she actually feels, of course, but that’s the message anyway IMO.

Yeah Im sure teh queen loves having her family abused and called racist, and her grandson having a go at them a few weeks before her husband died.

[Erin9]

Originally Posted by Denville

Yeah Im sure teh queen loves having her family abused and called racist, and her grandson having a go at them a few weeks before her husband died.

I believe she’s likely quite hurt for all those reasons. I just try to be careful about saying how people feel.

[TLLK]

Originally Posted by Royalist.in.NC

Thanks so much to parents like you who select names that will not give their child a headache or worse. I had one student who begged me to talk to his mother about using a “typical” nickname for his quite unusual given name which he disliked. I called his mom but she refused to call him the requested (shortened and typical) name. However at school, I called him the nickname he requested and let teachers know about his request.

I need to send you a pm so we can discuss the various student names that have appeared on our rosters.

[Denville]

Originally Posted by Erin9

I believe she’s likely quite hurt for all those reasons. I just try to be careful about saying how people feel.

I dont think she can be happy with Harry's behavior. He's her grandson and she's probably worried about the state that he appears to be in, and worrying that he is now living so far away from his family and seems so angry with them. But her statement as soon as they did the first interview seemed to me to clearly state that she's not willing to accept what he said without protest... I think she is probably thinking that while most of what he says is nonsense it is worrying that hes in such a state and attacking his family....so she wants to keep a hand out for him. But Im not so sure that they were having al that many cosy chats on Zoom and with Philip I'd be even more sceptical....

[lea]

Originally Posted by Alison H

Fairly random point :-) , but the last two or three generations of royals have been unusually nickname/abbreviation-free. If you go back to the early 20th century, you can get extremely confused as you read about Ducky, Sunny, Moretta, Sandro, Greek Georgie, Lenchen, Ena, etc etc etc!

Maybe random, but interesting!!