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Old 06-08-2021, 05:57 AM
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I honestly don't see what the big deal is. If your family nickname is Cutie Face or Snugglebum or Big Ears, then you're not likely to want everyone to know about it, but being called Lili rather than Lilibet, or Susie rather than Susan, or Johnny rather than Jonathan, really isn't something that anyone would see as being a private thing.
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Old 06-08-2021, 06:38 AM
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The reason I asked for UK and US posters is it normal there is this - it's their culture, not mine and not yours. That's how it should be judged. We don't have the phenomenon of a string of first names here either. I'm Moran, not Moran + a string of first names. But I don't find the string strange because from hundreds of books, movies and textbooks I know it's a normal thing in certain countries. I've just never heard of a name different from a legal one being included in an official announcement in the UK when the child isn't going to grow up in the public eye.
Being from North America, I think in this specific instance her parents are doing it because of the problems the name already causes. If they just announced it as "Lilibet", there would be even more outraged gasps about how and why they are doing this.

"Lili" is either a safety valve to reassure people "it's okay; we're not going around calling and introducing her by the Queen's name" OR it's a very deliberate underlining "yes, we aren't going to use it and could have just called her Lili/Lily, which we possibly prefer, but she's still named after the Queen".

Who even knows with those two.
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Old 06-08-2021, 06:39 AM
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I honestly don't see what the big deal is. If your family nickname is Cutie Face or Snugglebum or Big Ears, then you're not likely to want everyone to know about it, but being called Lili rather than Lilibet, or Susie rather than Susan, or Johnny rather than Jonathan, really isn't something that anyone would see as being a private thing.
No, its not that big a deal.. but its part of the whole dancing in and out of "private life" that they've done for the last couple of years. They claimed ot want to be private citizens, and even when they were working royals, the message they gave was that their son was "off limits" and a private person. Yet they've shown him off in videos etc. since they went to America, and now they are giving their child a name that will make a talking point.. and telling us what name she'll be called, as well.. though there is no real need to do so. But so much of what they say, seems to vary iwth the mood that they're in. Once, Harry was a real jolly chap who seemed to enjoy his royal duties and to like helping people. Now he's told us "No I hated doing that. I was miserable.. I was over worked and strained - I didn't wnat to be helping people." Or "we talk to the queen and the D of E all the time, jolly old chats on Zoom.. but then its "no, I can't talk to my father, the whole RF was cruel to us, they made racist remarks, they treated us teriribly...."
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Old 06-08-2021, 07:03 AM
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Being from North America, I think in this specific instance her parents are doing it because of the problems the name already causes. If they just announced it as "Lilibet", there would be even more outraged gasps about how and why they are doing this.

"Lili" is either a safety valve to reassure people "it's okay; we're not going around calling and introducing her by the Queen's name" OR it's a very deliberate underlining "yes, we aren't going to use it and could have just called her Lili/Lily, which we possibly prefer, but she's still named after the Queen".

Who even knows with those two.
it's a very deliberate underlining "yes, we aren't going to use it and could have just called her Lili/Lily, which we possibly prefer, but she's still named after the Queen".

Bingo! I think you’ve hit the nail on the head! I think it is obvious that they prefer Lili - or why on earth include that in a birth announcement?
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Old 06-08-2021, 08:33 AM
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it's a very deliberate underlining "yes, we aren't going to use it and could have just called her Lili/Lily, which we possibly prefer, but she's still named after the Queen".

Bingo! I think you’ve hit the nail on the head! I think it is obvious that they prefer Lili - or why on earth include that in a birth announcement?
I think its likley that Lili is the name they like and wanted to use.. but they hit on this way of bringing in their connextion with the queen.
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Old 06-08-2021, 09:14 AM
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[...]As I said, I don't mind variations for a first name, besides Elizabeth, Eliza, Lili, Isabella etc would have been perfectly fine in my opinion. And yes, also Lilibet, if they had not spent the past months publicly disrespecting the Queen & could be assumed to have asked her for permission.
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Old 06-08-2021, 09:45 AM
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There is also Lillian which is a variation. That could have been a first name. Bess, Bette or Betty are also nicknames for Elizabeth. Lauren Bacall's real first name was Betty (I don't think she was given the formal name Elizabeth).
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Old 06-08-2021, 09:59 AM
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Well, there's this...that last paragraph is a doozy. It's a pretty sickeningly sweet and fawning bit from a friend, though I don't recognize his name as one of those friends who has regularly been used as spokesperson. And per this article and an unnamed source, we now know that they apparently introduced HM to the baby via video chat.
https://people.com/royals/inside-meg...er-birth-lili/
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Old 06-08-2021, 10:00 AM
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[...]I think that Lili’s parents have proven themselves as not honoring the Queen in any way, shape, or form by their actions. Why attempt to “honor” HM in this way? It is great PR because LOOK at the the discussion and emotions it has engendered here -as only one place.

I am really beginning to think that we don’t really know where they stand on anything: just that they want to keep their names in the media.

Had they been respectful and not thrown the RF under the bus, I still would not have liked the “name” Lilibet . Lili/Lily Diana is absolutely fine.

I have spent many, many years in the public school system in the US and have seen how children suffer when their parents make up a name, use an unusual spelling for a name. I have had children come to me asking if we could “fix” their name so that it wouldn’t look or sound “weird.” So this is where I am coming from.

Yes, names are very personal and individual. But think of a child who has to spend his whole life spelling his name “Timathie” for others and pronounce it “Timothy.” This is real, I kid you not.
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Old 06-08-2021, 10:17 AM
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Well, there's this...that last paragraph is a doozy. It's a pretty sickeningly sweet and fawning bit from a friend, though I don't recognize his name as one of those friends who has regularly been used as spokesperson. And per this article and an unnamed source, we now know that they apparently introduced HM to the baby via video chat.
https://people.com/royals/inside-meg...er-birth-lili/


What really stood out to me was:

Now they are parenting on “their terms.” Wow. Just can’t stop from twisting the knife again. Though- it sure seemed to me- that Archie was also on their terms.

That 20 weeks paid parental leave via Archewell is really nice. And not something that the rest of us Americans identify with at all. You do good to get 6 weeks paid or 12 weeks total (often not paid by the end). If it is paid period.

The article was careful to actually say- this name emphasizes their enduring ties to the royal family. Indeed. We all got that message- loyd and clear. I’m still laughing at the “step back” phrasing. In the end: they quit.

It’s over the top. Totally agree. Sickeningly sweet is a good word for it. Some of the word choices just made me roll my eyes.

And- while I don’t doubt they wanted to introduce their baby to her namesake- and she was delighted to see her....of course we “need” to know that. So- did anyone else rate a video chat? Or just the Queen.
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Old 06-08-2021, 10:19 AM
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I thought of Lily as in Lily Langtry. Or Lillian as in Lillian Russell. Beth is another nickname that could have been used.
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Old 06-08-2021, 10:22 AM
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What really stood out to me was:

N doubt they wanted to introduce their baby to her namesake- and she was delighted to see her....of course we “need” to know that. So- did anyone else rate a video chat? Or just the Queen.
well sounds like the queen is the only one in the RF that they are not attacking (except of course that she "badly parented" Charles )

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I thought of Lily as in Lily Langtry. Or Lillian as in Lillian Russell. Beth is another nickname that could have been used.
Lillie was not Mrs Langrtry's name. She was called Emilie Charlotte..
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Old 06-08-2021, 10:25 AM
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Her stage name. Though Emilie is a really nice name, like Amelia.
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Old 06-08-2021, 10:28 AM
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Her stage name. Though Emilie is a really nice name, like Amelia.
but the baby is called Lilibet. That was their choice to "honour the queen".... (in case we didn't know without them telling us).
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Old 06-08-2021, 10:28 AM
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What really stood out to me was:

Now they are parenting on “their terms.” Wow. Just can’t stop from twisting the knife again. Though- it sure seemed to me- that Archie was also on their terms.

That 20 weeks paid parental leave via Archewell is really nice. And not something that the rest of us Americans identify with at all. You do good to get 6 weeks paid or 12 weeks total (often not paid by the end). If it is paid period.

The article was careful to actually say- this name emphasizes their enduring ties to the royal family. Indeed. We all got that message- loyd and clear. I’m still laughing at the “step back” phrasing. In the end: they quit.

It’s over the top. Totally agree. Sickeningly sweet is a good word for it. Some of the word choices just made me roll my eyes.

And- while I don’t doubt they wanted to introduce their baby to her namesake- and she was delighted to see her....of course we “need” to know that. So- did anyone else rate a video chat? Or just the Queen.
And they made sure to beat us over the head yet again with an emphasis on how close Harry is to HM and how even though everyone has talked about her King lessons with William, she has such an important bond with Harry and that remains...lest we forget.
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Old 06-08-2021, 10:30 AM
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but the baby is called Lilibet. That was their choice to "honour the queen".... (in case we didn't know without them telling us).
I am just saying there could have been different "nicknames" like Beth, Betty, or Bette. If they wanted Lily to be the name she went by then they could have chosen Lillian or Lily as the name.

My favorite names would have been Cynthia or Emma but they went in another direction.
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Old 06-08-2021, 10:34 AM
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Yes, names are very personal and individual. But think of a child who has to spend his whole life spelling his name “Timathie” for others and pronounce it “Timothy.” This is real, I kid you not.
I used to know someone to whom everyone referred as "Michele with one l", because that was how she always introduced herself! Why her parents didn't just call her Michelle, I don't know. The Snowdons' daughter is Margarita, because Margaret, whilst a very popular name in the first half of the 20th century, was very old hat by the time that Margarita was born.

Liz, Lizzie, Liza, Eliza, Bet, Betty, Bess, Bessie, Bessy, Betsy and Beth are all used as shorts for Elizabeth: it's been such a popular name over the years that there are umpteen versions of it.

But Lilibet is a private family nickname.

Incidentally, the Queen Mother's childhood nickname was Buffy, long before anyone was into vampire slayers. I'm not sure why, but I suppose that a little kid might say Elizabuff, and that could easily become Buffy. At least they didn't use that!
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Old 06-08-2021, 10:36 AM
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well sounds like the queen is the only one in the RF that they are not attacking (except of course that she "badly parented" Charles )


Directly anyway. IMO- there are a lot of attacks- just not by name.

Though- there is a bit of irony that the one area Harry attacked HM by name was in the parenting department. And....they named their child after her. It’s....interesting.

It wouldn’t surprise me if HM was the only one to rate a video call. I do tend to believe that it is accurate that at least she did though.
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Old 06-08-2021, 10:37 AM
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I am just saying there could have been different "nicknames" like Beth, Betty, or Bette. If they wanted Lily to be the name she went by then they could have chosen Lillian or Lily as the name.

My favorite names would have been Cynthia or Emma but they went in another direction.
yes of course they could have called her Lily but that wouldn't have given them a chance to mention how close they are to the queen.
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Old 06-08-2021, 10:37 AM
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Alison H, I remember a trendy name was LizBeth.

Buffy was the name of a character on TV show Family Affair before Buffy the Vampire Slayer.
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