Birth of Archie Harrison Mountbatten-Windsor: May 6, 2019

[Kataryn]

Originally Posted by Denville

I think we know it is Harry's son.

You and we all here knows it. But what about the neighbors in the US????

[Denville]

Originally Posted by O-H Anglophile

Apparently not, there must be some deep, hidden meaning.

Generally royal names have a function of honouring other royals, such as parents, important ancestors etc. they seem to have just picked 2 names randomly and IMO not very attractive names at that. Meg could have picked a name from her family or some American style name.. such as a bible name.. to honour her side of the family.. and they could have picked a name from Diana's family to honour HER... but they didn't. They didn't pick one of the RF's male names such as Philip or Charles to honour that side. Williams children have had names that honour the Windsors.. and are also used in the Spencer family such as Louis.. and Charlotte...

[MaiaMia_53]

This is not officially confirmed, however, there's a DM report claiming a palace rep said:

"... a senior source told the Evening Standard that it’s been agreed with Harry and Meghan that Archie will automatically become a prince.

‘The Sussexes have chosen not to give their children courtesy titles at this time -- on the change of reign the George V convention would apply,’ the source said."

Several reporters, including Chris Ship, have indicated this as well, whether or not they are assuming, or whether they heard it from the same palace source. Still, it's not set in stone if M&H once again decide to refuse HRH titles for their children at the time of Charles' ascension. The indication of some kind of current 'agreement' with the Sussexes is interesting, but is it accurate? Archie would likely be about 10 or so years old by that point.

There are still questions that can't be answered definitively right now without full confirmation, which is unlikely to be forthcoming.

[Denville]

Originally Posted by MaiaMia_53

This is not officially confirmed, however, there's a DM report claiming a palace rep said:

"... a senior source told the Evening Standard that it’s been agreed with Harry and Meghan that Archie will automatically become a prince.

‘The Sussexes have chosen not to give their children courtesy titles at this time -- on the change of reign the George V convention would apply,’ the source said."

Several reporters, including Chris Ship, have indicated this as well, whether or not they are assuming, or whether they heard it from the same palace source. Still, it's not set in stone if M&H once again decide to refuse HRH titles for their children at the time of Charles' ascension. The indication of some kind of current 'agreement' with the Sussexes is interesting, but is it accurate? Archie would likely be about 10 or so years old by that point.

There are still questions that can't be answered definitively right now without full confirmation, which is unlikely to be forthcoming.

Its possible that they want to wait and perhaps when C is king, they will decide wheter they want Archie to be HRH or not.. or whether they will go the Edward route and he' will just use the secondary title as a courtesy or possibly remain Master Archie.

[DeeT]

Originally Posted by Denville

Generally royal names have a function of honouring other royals, such as parents, important ancestors etc. they seem to have just picked 2 names randomly and IMO not very attractive names at that. Meg could have picked a name from her family or some American style name.. such as a bible name.. to honour her side of the family.. and they could have picked a name from Diana's family to honour HER... but they didn't. They didn't pick one of the RF's male names such as Philip or Charles to honour that side. Williams children have had names that honour the Windsors.. and are also used in the Spencer family such as Louis.. and Charlotte...

The names were chosen by Harry and Meghan for their baby. I love the names that the Sussexes chose. Even the meanings of the names flow together so well, Archie Harrison ‘strong & bold, son of Harry; strong, bold ruler’. Harry/Henry is a traditional RF name, Harrison is another way to honour that name.

Prince Philip is probably happy that his latest great grandchild is using his surname too.

[Denville]

Originally Posted by DeeT

The names were chosen by Harry and Meghan for their baby. I love the names that the Sussexes chose. Even the meanings of the names flow together so well, Archie Harrison ‘strong & bold, son of Harry; strong, bold ruler’. Harry/Henry is a traditional RF name, Harrison is another way to honour that name.

Prince Philip is probably happy that his latest great grandchild is using his surname too.

Why not just call him Henry or Harry as a second name?

[tommy100]

Personally I would find it really odd for them to go from no title (inc a courtesy title he is already technically got) to becoming a HRH Prince once Charles becomes King, but that is just IMO.

[Denville]

Originally Posted by tommy100

Personally I would find it really odd for them to go from no title (inc a courtesy title he is already technically got) to becoming a HRH Prince once Charles becomes King, but that is just IMO.

But unless they/Charles explicitly take action when C is King that is exactly what WILL happen. Once Chas is king, Archie as his grandson in the male line will have the HRH. They MAY tell Ch that they don't want him to be HRH and it will be announced in LP that he's not - that he will perhaps remain known as Master Archie.. we don't know.. but unless there is an action taken.. he will automatically go to HRH Prince

Originally Posted by Kataryn

You and we all here knows it. But what about the neighbors in the US????

If they are interested in royalty Im sure they will know it...

[MARG]

Originally Posted by tommy100

Personally I would find it really odd for them to go from no title (inc a courtesy title he is already technically got) to becoming a HRH Prince once Charles becomes King, but that is just IMO.

That is the point, he does not have a "courtesy" title. Harry, his brother William and his father Charles all use their Scottish title when in Scotland. Master Archie is what he will be known as just as Charles was known as Master Charles in his formative years which I find very interesting as I don't think William and Harry were.

Now to that amazing photo. The photographer took several on the way to St Georges Hall. But that one sticks out like Rudolph's nose is the family baby love fest. Either the Queen and DoE came to take care of Doria while the official photos were taken or, the olds ambushed them. The result? An unscripted magical moment.

Shots like that are hard to script and organise. What gave me goosebumps was Granny and grandpa with no official filter. They were as besotted as everyone else. How fortunate that Philip was up from Sandringham for an Official event and either came early or stayed late and we got something special.

Originally Posted by Denville

Its possible that they want to wait and perhaps when C is king, they will decide wheter they want Archie to be HRH or not.. or whether they will go the Edward route and he' will just use the secondary title as a courtesy or possibly remain Master Archie.

[Denville]

No I've never heard of Charles being known as Master Charles. I don't remember his birth, but AFAICR he was always known as Prince Charles

[Lilyflo]

Originally Posted by Denville

No I've never heard of Charles being known as Master Charles. I don't remember his birth, but AFAICR he was always known as Prince Charles

His title from birth until the Queen's accession was HRH Prince Charles of Edinburgh.

[wyevale]

unless there is an action taken.. he will automatically go to HRH Prince

It will take an act of Parliament to [legally] deprive this individual of his princely status..

I hardly think the public will be pleased to see the legislature waste its time on fripperies of this sort...

[Denville]

Originally Posted by wyevale

It will take an act of Parliament to [legally] deprive this individual of his princely status..

I hardly think the public will be pleased to see the legislature waste its time on fripperies of this sort...

I think it could be done by Letters Patent to state that the children of the Duke and Duchess would not be HRH and would go on being styled - whatever....

Originally Posted by Lilyflo

His title from birth until the Queen's accession was HRH Prince Charles of Edinburgh.

Certianly that was my impression from all I have read. I don't think that in the 1940s or 50s, he would be known in the media or generally as Master Charles...

[Jacknch]

Please note that a number of off-topic posts have been deleted. This is not a platform for discussing the Markles, family relationships or comparing the way the Sussex's do things against the way the Cambridges do things. Lets stay on topic and not drift into conversations inappropriate to the thread.

[Osipi]

I think its all a case of Occum's Razor. The principle states that one should not make more assumptions than the minimum needed. This is how I see things surrounding Archie's birth and ensuing events.

Perhaps its as simple as Harry and Meghan deciding to name their child something that is unique to the child himself rather than debate whom to name the child after. This indicates to me that they'll raise him with no expectations of what they presume his roles in life should be. Archie is different from his cousins and Aunt Kate and Uncle Will is that those children *will* have expectations on them because of being in the main line of succession.

The pictures at Windsor Castle we see are probably just a few of many a photographer took while he was there. The great grandparents weren't receiving a person of importance as in someone presenting their credentials to the Queen but were in "family" mode meeting their new great grandchild. Just looking at all the faces lets us know just what a happy event Archie's birth is for them. Nothing more, nothing less and no intent on a subliminal message being sent although I'll admit to the Queen having a 1000 watt light bulb smile this time of year because of the Windsor Horse Show.

For now, Archie is "Master Archie". What happens in the future as far as the HRH honorific along with Prince isn't clear. Along the same lines of we don't actually know if Camilla will be "Queen Consort". The options are open ended and will be addressed hopefully not for many more years.

Harry, Meghan and Archie make for a close, cozy family of three and one thing that really made me smile is the change here reading "The Duke and Duchess of Sussex and Family". I'll leave the looking for deeper meaning into any of all this to others.

I wonder if Archie has pulled a "gotcha" on his Daddy yet? That's when Daddy removes a dirty diaper and as he reaches for a wipe or a clean diaper, Archie aims and fires and "gets" Daddy.

[Denville]

As for Charles, I imagine that if H and Megan don't want their son to have his royal title, he wont insist on it. why should he? If they've changed their minds by then, and DO want him to be a Royal, he will automatically become one

[Gawin]

Originally Posted by Kataryn

You and we all here knows it. But what about the neighbors in the US????

Why wouldn't those of us in the U.S know he's Harry's son?

Originally Posted by tommy100

Personally I would find it really odd for them to go from no title (inc a courtesy title he is already technically got) to becoming a HRH Prince once Charles becomes King, but that is just IMO.

This way he'll always be known by his name - Master Archie then Prince Archie, as opposed to Lord Dumbarton then Prince Archie.

[wbenson]

Originally Posted by wyevale

It will take an act of Parliament to [legally] deprive this individual of his princely status..

It's peerages that can't be taken except by an act of Parliament. There is no such entitlement attached to being a prince. For example, the 2nd Duke of Connaught was born His Highness Prince Alastair of Connaught in 1914, but had that taken away in 1917 when the current letters patent narrowed the rules.

[Bassoonist]

Originally Posted by Mirabel

Apparently George told a woman he met casually that his name was Archie!
So the press is having fun with the idea that H & M copied the name from their tiny nephew!

Although today the DM claims Meghan named her baby after her cat. So who knows?

As for Harrison, I can only think of the kid on the TV series Dexter. His name was Harrison.

I'm with you- I don't like the name at all.
But then, they didn't consult me!

I know, darn it , LOL. Why didn't they just ask me? I could have helped them select a name that would please everyone. But, noooooooooo, they went off on their own and see what happened. Sigh...maybe with the next one. Otherwise we might get a Jughead or Veronica.

edit: Actually, now that I think about it, Veronica is a pretty name, and unusual in the US right now. I do hope the Sussex's have another child. They seem soooooo happy right now.

[JuliannaVictoria]

Tomorrow will be Meghan's first Mother's Day (U.S.). I do wonder if SussexRoyal will post something for Meghan and Doria (to include Diana and the Queen).

P.S. I understand the U.K. Mothering Sunday was last month and since the DDoS represent the U.K. and the BRF, they may have no obligation to acknowledge U.S. Mother's Day, however I do think that it would be a great public gesture towards her own mother.