Birth of Archie Harrison Mountbatten-Windsor: May 6, 2019

[Madame Verseau]

Originally Posted by Rudolph

Thomas Markle's statement

https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-new...mpression=true

A civil statement but too little and way too late IMO. That statement cannot wipe away almost a year of abusive interviews from Dad and three years of public nastiness from the half siblings. Look at the birth announcement from Buckingham Palace about the families being informed before the world, Markles aren't mentioned. The birth announcement told the world where the Markles stand: nowhere.

[Somebody]

Yes, quite a contrast to the engagement announcement that included her father, while this one includes Harry's aunts and uncle on his mother's side but not the maternal grandfather.

[Spheno]

Originally Posted by Somebody

I fully agree. While he technically is Lord X Mountbatten-Windsor, that doesn't mean that he will be addressed as such. Had Harry not had subsidiary titles he would be known by this name.

No. Heirs of dukes are always Lord Something, not Lord FirstName Surname.
If they don't have a subsidiary title they use fictional title or Lord Surname.

[ACO]

Originally Posted by Madame Verseau

A civil statement but too little and way too late IMO. That statement cannot wipe away almost a year of abusive interviews from Dad and three years of public nastiness from the half siblings. Look at the birth announcement from Buckingham Palace about the families being informed before the world, Markles aren't mentioned. The birth announcement told the world where the Markles stand: nowhere.

As it should be. They made their beds. I did love the inclusion of Diana’s siblings.

[Biri]

Princess Royal, Duke of York and Earl of Wessex weren't mentioned either.

[American Observer7]

Has it been announced "Officially" what Baby Sussex's title will be and what it will not be?

And I am thrilled the little guy arrived safe and healthy!!!

[Mbruno]

Originally Posted by Biri

Princess Royal, Duke of York and Earl of Wessex weren't mentioned either.

I suppose the Queen, the DoE, Charles and Camilla.,the Cambridges and Diana’s siblings are what Harry considers his “ nuclear family” .

Apparently the Duke of York is also “ delighted” like everybody else. I don’t expect a public statement from the Princess Royal or the Earl of Wessex, but who knows ?

[stunking]

Congrats to the Harry and Meghan all is good!

[rominet09]

Delighted for them ! I can't wait to see him !

[Rudolph]

The birth wasn't recorded in the Court Circular

[Somebody]

Originally Posted by Spheno

No. Heirs of dukes are always Lord Something, not Lord FirstName Surname.
If they don't have a subsidiary title they use fictional title or Lord Surname.

Thanks, I learned something new! Although I still think there is a difference between how they are known and what they are; which was my initial point as I stated from the start that this baby will be known with Harry's subsidiary title without being the actual earl. So, as he is not an earl himself, the alternative to being a Lord would be to be a mere 'mr' while his younger siblings would be Lord and Lady...

Can you give an example of a Duke without subsidiary titles and what his eldest son is known as? (but we should probably move this discussion to a different thread)

Originally Posted by Biri

Princess Royal, Duke of York and Earl of Wessex weren't mentioned either.

Had Diana been still alive she would have been mentioned instead of her siblings, so no surprise that Harry didn't feel the need to include his paternal uncles and aunt as he could include his father. Very different from not mentioning your own father (who you included less than 18 months ago in your engagement announcement).

[Mbruno]

Originally Posted by Rudolph

The birth wasn't recorded in the Court Circular

Were Lady Louise’s and Viscount Severn’s births recorded in the Court Circular ?

[Iluvbertie]

Originally Posted by Rudolph

The birth wasn't recorded in the Court Circular

Given the time of the birth that isn't a surprise as the CC is sent to the press the night before.

It may appear as an addendum tomorrow - for the 7th rather than the 6th.

[Rudolph]

Originally Posted by Mbruno

Were Lady Louise’s and Viscount Severn’s births recorded in the Court Circular ?

No but I know the Cambridge children were.

[Somebody]

Originally Posted by American Observer7

Has it been announced "Officially" what Baby Sussex's title will be and what it will not be?

And I am thrilled the little guy arrived safe and healthy!!!

There is nothing to announce anymore - the relevant announcement was made at their wedding a year ago: the baby boy will be known as Earl of Dumbarton as that's his father main subsidiary title.

[Rudolph]

Originally Posted by Iluvbertie

Given the time of the birth that isn't a surprise as the CC is sent to the press the night before.

It may appear as an addendum tomorrow - for the 7th rather than the 6th.

You're right It was also a bank holiday today so we'll have to wait and see tomorrow

[PtahHotep]

Originally Posted by ACO

As it should be. They made their beds. I did love the inclusion of Diana’s siblings.

Personally I believe a lot of TM's problems arose out of listening to Samantha constantly.

But that's MY conjecture. Of course.

But yes, sadly........too little, too late.
Oh well.

[American Observer7]

Originally Posted by Somebody

There is nothing to announce anymore - the relevant announcement was made at their wedding a year ago: the baby boy will be known as Earl of Dumbarton as that's his father main subsidiary title.

No such announcement was made during Harry's wedding. That announcement was made during Edward's wedding.

[Iluvbertie]

Originally Posted by Mbruno

Were Lady Louise’s and Viscount Severn’s births recorded in the Court Circular ?

Yes for Louise:

This is the entry for Louise on the 8th November

The Countess of Wessex was safely delivered of a daughter at 11.32 pm today. Her Royal Highness and her child are both stable. Signed: Mr Gareth Beynon, Mr. Sukhpal Singh, Anne Deans, Dr Peta Maltby, Dr Melinda Brazier, Dr Claire Edkins, Mr. Adam Lewis and Mr. Marcus Setchell.

No for James

[Thena]

Congratulations to the Sussex couple on the birth of the Earl of Dumbarton! I had a feeling that it was a boy, since they are more likely to go overdue.

I have to admit that I was scrambling a bit this morning. They announced that she was in labor as I arrived at work, and my first thought was that I needed to change my "Meghan Is Still Pregnant" avatar. But my old avatar was definitely not on my phone or in my Dropbox, and I can't seem to find it on my desktop. I fear it was on my old laptop.

Originally Posted by Mbruno

Yes, but in the two generations following the Queen’s , hospital deliveries appear to have become the norm, not only in Britain , but in continental royal births too. So it is understandable if some people are surprised Meghan chose to have a home birth, if that was the case. Since they are not disclosing the place of birth ( perhaps not to tip the press about locations of future births ?) , there is no way to know for sure.

Originally Posted by Rudolph

According to Richard Palmer

"No signatures of medical staff because the couple don’t want the public to know who attended at the birth"

My feeling is that they want to protect the location of the birth in case they want to use it again for future children, and also because Meghan has a certain half-sister with a history of turning up uninvited. I know of people with difficult family relations that had to go to extraordinary measures to ensure that wacky Aunt Hilda didn't barge her way into the delivery room.

And there can be unexpected complications in a home birth that can be life-threatening. According to a Vanity Fair article a while back, Princess Marie-Chantal gave birth at a maternity clinic but hemorrhaged afterwards, and they did not have blood for a transfusion. She had to be transferred to an actual hospital and it took some time.

Originally Posted by Moonmaiden23

In no particular order I hope he is named John for Harry's late paternal grandfather Earl Spencer, and Charles after the Prince of Wales!

Isn't John considered an unlucky name for the Windsors? I remember Diana wanting to use it and being told that it was a bad idea (or so she told Andrew Morton).

Originally Posted by O-H Anglophile

Since she went into labor during the night and had the baby at 5:26am, I’d bet heavily on natural.

My first thought was that the spicy salsa for Cinco De Mayo must have done the trick!