Nikolai and Felix: Future Possibilities and Options

[Duc_et_Pair]

Originally Posted by Muhler

I don't think there will be any reference to her pre-marriage title.
As I see it she will simply be Fru Athena Schmidt-Jensen. - Or alternatively Fru Glücksborg, married to Hr. Schmidt-Jensen.
Or Fru Monpezat, perhaps. Or Fru Cavalier?

What about examples as Fru Anna Emilie von Lowzow født komtesse Lerche-Lerchenborg, Grevinde Christine Holstein-Holsteinborg født komtesse Reventlow, Baronesse Friderica Løvenskjold født komtesse Knuth, Fru Marie Antoniette Krieger von Lowzow født komtesse Bille-Brahe-Selby ?

[Muhler]

Originally Posted by Duc_et_Pair

What about examples as Fru Anna Emilie von Lowzow født komtesse Lerche-Lerchenborg, Grevinde Christine Holstein-Holsteinborg født komtesse Reventlow, Baronesse Friderica Løvenskjold født komtesse Knuth, Fru Marie Antoniette Krieger von Lowzow født komtesse Bille-Brahe-Selby ?

That's, I presume, how they are presented on the DRF guestlists?
In that case, I stand corrected.

However, in day to day life, a reference to their previous titles is, I dare say, not being used outside the court.

[Duc_et_Pair]

Originally Posted by Muhler

That's, I presume, how they are presented on the DRF guestlists?
In that case, I stand corrected.

However, in day to day life, a reference to their previous titles is, I dare say, not being used outside the court.

Yes, that is the same in my country. Only at the most formal events indeed. In daily life usually only the husband's name or the own name.

[Tatiana Maria]

Originally Posted by Muhler

I don't think there will be any reference to her pre-marriage title.
As I see it she will simply be Fru Athena Schmidt-Jensen. - Or alternatively Fru Glücksborg, married to Hr. Schmidt-Jensen.
Or Fru Monpezat, perhaps. Or Fru Cavalier?

Originally Posted by Duc_et_Pair

What about examples as Fru Anna Emilie von Lowzow født komtesse Lerche-Lerchenborg, Grevinde Christine Holstein-Holsteinborg født komtesse Reventlow, Baronesse Friderica Løvenskjold født komtesse Knuth, Fru Marie Antoniette Krieger von Lowzow født komtesse Bille-Brahe-Selby ?

Originally Posted by Muhler

That's, I presume, how they are presented on the DRF guestlists?

In all of the Danish royal guestlists which I have viewed, a former countess married to a commoner was presented as plain Mrs. without a reference to her pre-marriage title.

I am not familiar with the women Duc_et_Pair cited.

Originally Posted by Duc_et_Pair

For an example eventual children of Froilán de Marichalar will not be a Grande but a plain Mr/Mrs/Ms.

I am not sure about that, as I explain in the Spanish titles thread: https://www.theroyalforums.com/forum...ml#post2452029

Originally Posted by JR76

I've seen some conflicting references, but I believe that Princess Dagmar, the latest (and first?) Danish princess who married a commoner, lost her rank and title.

Princess Dagmar married a Danish nobleman, Jørgen Castenskiold. No Princess of Denmark has married a commoner, although Princess Elisabeth would probably have married her commoner partner if the Queen had been willing to allow her to maintain her royal status after marriage.

But you are right that Princess Dagmar lost her rank and title. The Danish court calendar no longer presented her as a princess following her marriage.

King Christian X apparently insisted on higher standards for equal marriages than his successors. He likewise deemed Prince Aage's marriage to the Italian noblewoman Mathilde Calvi di Bergolo to be unequal.

[Stefan]

Would it not be possible for Countess Athena of Monpezat not to take her husbands name and simply keep her maiden name.

[Kataryn]

IMHO we either accept that a child or grandchild of the souvereign is a prince/princess, or we don't. But having rules that strips people of titles only because a cousin has a child don't make sense to me.



What I like in the UK is that it turns out you can hold a title and style but nor use it - by your own choice or by Royal command.


If you as a child of a monarch want your own children to be prince or princess - fine. But maybe the Souvereign could make it clear that in RL these princes or princesses are just known by a nobility title and their children will be nobles as well, rather than Royals?


They could even use a construct like Nicolai prince of Denmark known as Count Monpezat and in any situation apart from court he will be Count Monpezat and his children are Monpezats as well, but if he is invited to court he will be announced as a Prince of the country. I mean in a country that accepts nobility it should not be a problem. But in Norway we get a whole new class of former Royals, no? How will Sverre Magnus 's son be known as? It's easier with the Bernadottes, who can always use that name.

[JR76]

Originally Posted by Stefan

Would it not be possible for Countess Athena of Monpezat not to take her husbands name and simply keep her maiden name.

Naturally she could keep her surname, but she would loose her title. That's what happened to her father's second cousins when they married. The fact that they still go by their titles in the tabloids is another matter.

[Prinsara]

Originally Posted by JR76

Naturally she could keep her surname, but she would loose her title. That's what happened to her father's second cousins when they married. The fact that they still go by their titles in the tabloids is another matter.

If you mean Carl Gustav’s sisters (aside from the one who was considered to have married equally) those are Joachim’s first cousins once removed, since they're his mother’s first cousins (Victoria, CP and Madeleine are his second cousins, sharing a great-grandparent). Not sure who else has had titles to lose relatively lately.

[Somebody]

Wouldn't loosing her royal title depend on whether she receives consent to marry or not? Of course, the Danish monarch of that time might adopt a policy somewhat similar as queen Beatrix used for her younger nephews (although that process would have included parliament) of not giving consent to grandchildren of a monarch (not by a heir) just to reduce the number of royals but if she would get consent, she could at least keep her style as highness and princess while loosing her 'komtesse de Monpezat'.

[Stefan]

Originally Posted by Prinsara

If you mean Carl Gustav’s sisters (aside from the one who was considered to have married equally) those are Joachim’s first cousins once removed, since they're his mother’s first cousins (Victoria, CP and Madeleine are his second cousins, sharing a great-grandparent). Not sure who else has had titles to lose relatively lately.

I think he means three daughters of Count Christian of Rosenborg.

And i don't understand why shee needs to loose her title. Pricness Benedikte has keept hers and not taken on the title of her husband.

[JR76]

Originally Posted by Stefan

I think he means three daughters of Count Christian of Rosenborg.

And i don't understand why shee needs to loose her title. Pricness Benedikte has keept hers and not taken on the title of her husband.

Yes, I meant the Rosenborg sisters. My comment about Athena loosing her title was because you chose to use her noble title instead of her royal title. According to the customs of the Danish nobility she would loose that title.

Does the Danish nobility have set regulations like for example the Swedish nobility does or are these matters ruled by customs?