Nikolai and Felix: Future Possibilities and Options

[Fireweaver]

Her siblings were demoted due to their marriages to people that weren't accepted by the monarch (or they didn't ask permission). It had nothing to do with a small Royal Family.
And anyway, the RF will still be small.
Crown Prince Frederik (next king) And CP Mary (future Queen)
HRH Prince Joachim and Princess Alexandria
HH Prince Felix
HH Prince Nikolai
HRH However many children Frederik and Mary have. Still rather small.

[Theilmann]

Objection!!! That is simply not true Fireweaver, you might want to read up on your Danish post-war history. The demotion was agreed upon by King Frederik IX and his brother Arveprins Knud. Largely because The King wished to trim the royal family in order not to seem extravagant. At the time the Danish monarchy was in real peril, more than 40% of the population wanted the monarch to be replaced by a president upon King Frederik IX's death. A small royal family was a move to counter the objections made about the monarchy being an anachronism and symbol of the class-divided society. King Frederik IX and Oueen Ingrid always wanted to be percieved as a model-family living in (and ruling) a model society.
Danish post-war history books such as those written by Prof. Palle Lauring or Paul Hammerich will tell you just how wrong you are.

[hrhcp]

Schaekenborg near Tonder is almost as far as you can get away from Copenhagen in Denmark.

How do Prince Joachim and Princess Alexandra travel to their official engagements in Copenhagen?

Do their children travel separately or in tow to acquaint grandmother about their latest goings on ?

Could we have some travel pictures here?

Some comments as to how they travel, would be nice too. I don't see them flying too much, and train seems to most logical since its more eco-friendly than the car. But that would mean they have a car based in Copenhagen the whole time, or do they avail themselves to the Royal Fleet ?

[Jasl]

I don't really know, but I can't imagine them catching the train to get to their engagements, can you?

For one, there's the security risks... and there aren't many pics of her hopping off the train (I've never seen one).... and plus, well, I just cant see them doing it. But then again apparently Alexandra's always wanted a chauffer, so unless Joachim and her share a driver now then.... maybe someone from Copenhagen picks her up?

[sara1981]

oh well!

im sure grandmother from Japan or Korea? but i think the kids wanted see grandmother really bad than parents going state trips without kids to see grandmother that not fair for children!

Sara Boyce

p.s. takes the kids!!

[DKgirls]

We think they drive to Copenhagen! That would probably be the easiest!

And we do know that they sometimes just visit Copenhagen to visit friends and family and so! They have their own apartment at Amalienborg and in a few years from now they will have 1 of the 4 palaces there (the one Frederik used to live in!)!!!

[galuhcandrakirana]

Does the monarch family have a private Helicopter for traveling (at least for the essentials one), since the government of some of other country provide it for national duty of their president; or the rich often has that kind of luxurious private transportation for saving time on their trip.

[norwegianne]

I'm pretty sure that the queen has no actual private helicopter, but if needed, she can use one belonging to the military.

Their maternal grandmother is from Austria, and currently living at Schackenborg.

Their paternal grandmother is the queen, who lives at Amalienborg for large periods of the year. I would presume that they either drive, or, drive to the closest airport and fly. It doesn't take long from Kastrup Airport to Amalienborg.

Originally Posted by sara1981

oh well!

im sure grandmother from Japan or Korea? but i think the kids wanted see grandmother really bad than parents going state trips without kids to see grandmother that not fair for children!

Sara Boyce

p.s. takes the kids!!

[moosey60]

Well, the kids won't have to worry about long bus, train rides, or flights to Copenhagen anymore since they'll be living at Amalienborg with Alexandra. I'm sure Grandma and Grandpa will enjoy having the boys close to them.

[galuhcandrakirana]

I'm pretty sure the grandparents will.
I also hope that their dad will visit them or contact them quite often then they won't miss him alot.

Originally Posted by Norwegianne

I'm pretty sure that the queen has no actual private helicopter, but if needed, she can use one belonging to the military.

Thanks.

[Josefine]

i do not think they will take on a big royal role when they are grown up

[btsnyder]

So, when Nikolai and Felix marry, will their spouses adapt their husband's style of highness? Will they become HH Princess (insert name here) of Denmark? Is there any precedent in this area? I don't recall any grandson or nephew of the monarch in the male line in Denmark marrying - much less a commoner - in the last century or so - excpet maybe Prince Viggo, who married Eleonora Green - was she then Countess Elenora of Rosenborg? isn't it confusing having all these Rosenborgs running around?

[Stefan]

Originally Posted by btsnyder

So, when Nikolai and Felix marry, will their spouses adapt their husband's style of highness? Will they become HH Princess (insert name here) of Denmark? Is there any precedent in this area? I don't recall any grandson or nephew of the monarch in the male line in Denmark marrying - much less a commoner - in the last century or so - excpet maybe Prince Viggo, who married Eleonora Green - was she then Countess Elenora of Rosenborg? isn't it confusing having all these Rosenborgs running around?

If they will mary with the Consent of the Monarch given in the Council of State their respective Consorts will become HH Princess of Denmark. One example is Prince Axel, son of Prince Vlademar who was married to HRH Princess Margaretha of Sweden. He was even a HRH as King Christian IX. gave the style of HRH to the children of Prince Valdemar on 05.02.1904. The oldest son of Axel and Margaretha, Prince Georg married also with Consent the Hon. Anne Bowes-Lyon (a niece of Queen Elizabeth, the Queenmother) and she became HH Princess Anne of Denmark after the marriage.

[Tricota]

Isnt it likely that one of them will take over Schaekenborg, and the other will probably end up with a "normal" job?....Especially if Joachim has more children...

Or perhaps he will leave the estate to Frederik and Marys second child, as it seams a good fit for the "sub" king....

[Philippe Egalite']

Originally Posted by Theilmann

To Fireweaver: HRH Princess Benedikte did not get downgraded because she is the child of King Frederik IX and she maintained her place in the succesion.

This is not quite the correct answer. Princess Anne-Marie, despite the fact that she was(is) teh daughter of a monarch and, even though she married with her father's permission, she lost her rights of Succession and ceased altogether to be a princess of Denmark in view of the fact that she married a ruling foreign dynast.
Princess Bebedikte on the other hand married with her father's permission a non-ruling foreign dynast, and as such she was allowed to maintain her succession rights and princely status. Her children, however, lost their rights or never acquired ones, because they were not raised as Danes and did not become Danish citizens by age 18.

[MargreteI]

Felix and Nikolaj are sure to be demoted when they marry. I am sure of that.

They are not the children of a king and the monarchy does not need them and they are not likely to receive an apanage and there is no need for them to reproduce little princes and prinsesses to roam around as ordinary people.

The royal family is kept small and exlusive.

I think it is also a benefit to them that this is the norm in Denmark. They become ordinary people, though most likely a part of the elite. Nevertheless they are more free without the title then with the title.

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[Philippe Egalite']

Originally Posted by MargreteI

Felix and Nikolaj are sure to be demoted when they marry. I am sure of that.

They are not the children of a king and the monarchy does not need them and they are not likely to receive an apanage and there is no need for them to reproduce little princes and prinsesses to roam around as ordinary people.

The royal family is kept small and exlusive.

I think it is also a benefit to them that this is the norm in Denmark. They become ordinary people, though most likely a part of the elite. Nevertheless they are more free without the title then with the title.

Well, the Queen has done that already. They two boys are HH and not HRH. They are princes but notroyal princes, meaning that they are not members of the inner Royal House. However, they may not be further demoted. According to the 1953 Succession Act, either you are or you are not in the Line of Succession and if you are then you are also a prince/ss. Conversely, once one loses one's rights in the Line of Succession, he/she automatically ceases to be a prince/ss. Thus, these boys may only cease to be princes if they marry without the monarch's permission. If they play by the rules, no one can further demote them.
I do agree, however, that they will never receive an apanage and [thus] they won't be required to do royal work.
Needless to say that their children (ie the children of HHs) will be neither royal nor princes/esses. And this is appropriate. That ridiculous thing that has been going on for centuries in many central European principalities where the great-great-great grand children keep calling themselves fraudulently princes and princesses ought to stop. After all, some 10-12 generations back we all Europeans or people of European descent have some princely or royal blood.

[RubyPrincess168]

Originally Posted by Tricota

Isnt it likely that one of them will take over Schaekenborg, and the other will probably end up with a "normal" job?....Especially if Joachim has more children.....

This would be my prediction. One takes over the farm/estate and one embarks on a military career.

[CasiraghiTrio]

So Schackenborg is Prince Joachim's private estate, therefore it is not part of the Crown Estate (or Danish equivalent)? I don't remember if he owns this privately or just leases from the Crown? Of course, either way, I do not see why not he can pass it onto his sons or one of them, because one of them, or both, can probably inherit the lease rights, if they really want it. I don't know if I'm making sense.

BTW, I do remember that now, since the separation, the boys' maternal grandparents, or at least their grandmother, is living near Alexandra in or just outside Copenhagen. Although their maternal grandma is Austrian, isn't their grandpa part British and part Chinese? They have such wonderfully exotic heritage: quarter British-Chinese, quarter Austrian on mother's side, and quarter Danish, quarter French on father's side, and now their stepmother is native Parisian, stepfather I guess he's Danish, right?

[RubyPrincess168]

I believe Joachim owns Schackenborg outright. I thought I read it somewhere around here that he was left the estate in the will of a heirless man when he was 9 years old. It must have been somewhat of a comfort knowing he had that.