Marie Cavallier: Degreed? Assumptions? True or False?

[Kataryn]

Originally Posted by Benedikte

And an article from the newspaper Jyllandsposten:
Royal CV: slightly tweaked

Prince Joachim's fiancee, Marie Cavallier, Apparently are not as well-Educated as the royal family has portrayed her, according to See and Hear gossip magazine.

Same source, even though Jyllandsposten has a good reputation here in Germany as a serious newspaper.

I discussed the reasons why I think that both the information the press officer gave at first and later the official CV is correct, as you can have a BA from Marymount College with minors in business management aka marketing and IT.

But, dear Benedikte, can we agree that if the CV now published on the website of the DRF is wrong in stating that Marie has an academic degree she has not, then two and a half year is quite a long time for Se og Hoer to keep quiet and not present their alleged "proof" in form of official documents? It obviously was that one article which was taken over by other news outlets, but that was sooo long ago without anything newer even though the information about Marie being degreed is still officially circulated.

And may I quote your signature featuring a bonmot by our German academic, politician and poet: Who is the happiest of men? He who values the merits of others, and in their pleasure takes joy even as though t'were his own.

Well, I take pleasure in the fact that Marie has her merits, academical and personal. She seems to me to be a very nice, kind and interesting lady which does a great job representing Denmark as well as keeping her husband happy and raising their kid plus his kids as a loved step-mother. Who wouldn't want the fair Marie as a daughter-in-law (in my case, but unfortunately my son's girlfriend is far from being so nice..maybe that's why I like Marie so much?)

[Sternchen]

All the articles are from March 2008 Marie and Joachim were married in May 2008

[sgl]

Originally Posted by Sternchen

But the point is, that I haven't in any of the articles read that S&H claimed that the degree was bought I might have missed it though


I wrote "Apparently" I never said that they were right

And I never claimed that S&H said that the degree was bought I guess we are misunderstanding each other.

[Sternchen]

I know that you never claimed it

[Kataryn]

Originally Posted by Sternchen

But the point is, that I haven't in any of the articles read that S&H claimed that the degree was bought I might have missed it though

No, noone said that Marie "bought" her degree.

But if a paper publishes how costly a private College is and that Marie failed another college, then there is a bit of the insinuation that she changed colleges because the other one was "easier to pass" as it is a "Liberal Arts" college. It was not explicitely said but well, you could get the idea that her parents' money helped a lot when she is portrayed as a intellectual failure.

As our American members told, this is not true when it comes to Marie's college from which she graduated. But here in Germany in many a paper you can read adverts about getting degrees and even doctorates from American private colleges and university without attending a lesson. So every federal state in Germany has a department at the ministry of education where they check the degree if it is to be accepted or not. So well, yes, there are dubious schools in the US and I just wanted to check if Marymount Manhattan College is a serious one or not. It turned out it is even one of the best of the US, so surely they have high standards.

[Sternchen]

I never understood the articles in a way, that they claimed, that Maries parents bought her the degree.
I understood it more that S&H was rather gleeful that they were able to point out a mistake the Danish Royal Court made If S&H was right or wrong might be disputable, but somehow I can imagine, that there was a lot of glee, as (as I can imagine) the Danish Royal Court wouldn't usualy give S&H the time of the day
More something of a payback for not given interviews, informations, etc.

But that's just me

[Kataryn]

Originally Posted by Sternchen

I never understood the articles in a way, that they claimed, that Maries parents bought her the degree.
I understood it more that S&H was rather gleeful that they were able to point out a mistake the Danish Royal Court made If S&H was right or wrong might be disputable, but somehow I can imagine, that there was a lot of glee, as (as I can imagine) the Danish Royal Court wouldn't usualy give S&H the time of the day
More something of a payback for not given interviews, informations, etc.

But that's just me

Liebes Sternchen,

it has probably a lot to do with the fact that today my main occupation is to edit/co-write books and to be responsible for the accuratesse of it. Thus I always read between the lines automatically and check if there is something said or implied which is not correct, then check the available sources, evaluate them and try to bring the book to best level available (that depends a lot on the publisher and how much he wants to spend for that check!)

It's a lot easier now because of the internet and a lot more difficult, too.. But for me it's a fun job...

Liebe Grüße, Kataryn

[Sternchen]

Originally Posted by Kataryn

Liebes Sternchen,

it has probably a lot to do with the fact that today my main occupation is to edit/co-write books and to be responsible for the accuratesse of it. Thus I always read between the lines automatically and check if there is something said or implied which is not correct, then check the available sources, evaluate them and try to bring the book to best level available (that depends a lot on the publisher and how much he wants to spend for that check!)

It's a lot easier now because of the internet and a lot more difficult, too.. But for me it's a fun job...

Liebe Grüße, Kataryn

Liebe Kataryn,

I can imagine that it is a funny but also challenging job

Liebe Grüße,

Sternchen

[marlene]

I was just reading an article about the boarding school that Marie went to in switzerland (Beausolieil) and it is one of the most expensive in the world with a yearly tuition of over $100,000 a year.I had no idea that her family were that wealthy.Sorry if I put this in the wrong post as I didn't know exactly where to post it.

[tommy100]

I read that recently, I think in connection with Prince Felix of Luxembourgs engagement, his fiancée also went to the same school where the basic schools fees work out at €60,000 a year, so Marie must have come from a wealthy family to be able to afford it.

[Mariel]

I have not been following this thread, nor know a lot about Marie. However, I doubt one could buy a degree from Marymount College, if it is the same Marymount I am familiar with. This is, or was, a prestigious Catholic college and, yes, expensive, and not for quickie degrees. That said, a "liberal studies" course might be easier than a business course. I chose a liberal studies course because I was not up to doing a more demanding degree.
But my degrees did turn into a long career teaching in college.
Most students at Marymount are Catholic, but I believe the DRF is Protestant?

[TLLK]

Originally Posted by Mariel

I have not been following this thread, nor know a lot about Marie. However, I doubt one could buy a degree from Marymount College, if it is the same Marymount I am familiar with. This is, or was, a prestigious Catholic college and, yes, expensive, and not for quickie degrees. That said, a "liberal studies" course might be easier than a business course. I chose a liberal studies course because I was not up to doing a more demanding degree.
But my degrees did turn into a long career teaching in college.
Most students at Marymount are Catholic, but I believe the DRF is Protestant?

Yes the DRF is Lutheran.

[soraya]

Marie was catholic before marrying Joachim

[MARG]

Did she remain Roman Catholic or was she required to convert to Protestant Lutheran? Just asking as Princess Maxima in the Netherlands was not required to convert.

[soraya]

Originally Posted by MARG

Did she remain Roman Catholic or was she required to convert to Protestant Lutheran? Just asking as Princess Maxima in the Netherlands was not required to convert.

She converted to lutheran as Mary did.
Both renounced their nationalities too.

[Rocketmom]

Originally Posted by ashelen

I know people that have lived here in America for 12 years and still can not speak english, but if it is true that her english is not good how is possible that she graduated?

There are many people who were born in the U.S. who can't speak English. Just listen to many of our college athletes.

[Tilia C.]

Originally Posted by MARG

Did she remain Roman Catholic or was she required to convert to Protestant Lutheran? Just asking as Princess Maxima in the Netherlands was not required to convert.

She did not have to convert. Marie has spoken about it in one of her early interviews. She explained that she had looked into the Lutheran faith and found that in essence it was not so different form the catholic faith. At least not when it came to those aspects of religion that she cared most for. So she decided to convert, so that she would share the faith of her family. It was voluntary.

Originally Posted by Rocketmom

There are many people who were born in the U.S. who can't speak English. Just listen to many of our college athletes.

She did not graduate. She has acknowledged that in interviews as well. But she took several courses and her English clearly is/was good enough to follow them. Btw, having an accent or making grammatical mistakes here and there does not prevent anybody from graduating, as long as they have the necessary knowledge about the subject.

[helenbeee]

What does it matter she is obviously a very smart woman. I know a lot people with degrees who are ignorant in other areas of life. I think she has proven she doesnt need a piece of paper to prove how smart she is.

[Rocketmom]

Does it matter if she has a degree? In the strictest sense, everyone "buys" a degree in that they pay tuition, unless they are a full scholarship student. Marie seems sweet and appears to fit in with the family well.

[GracieGiraffe]

Originally Posted by Rocketmom

Does it matter if she has a degree? In the strictest sense, everyone "buys" a degree in that they pay tuition, unless they are a full scholarship student. Marie seems sweet and appears to fit in with the family well.

You don't buy a degree - you earn it. There's a difference.

Does it matter if she has a degree? I don't see it as a job requirement for her, so no.