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Old 04-12-2021, 12:16 PM
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It's great to see Joachim so well.

Two more photos and part of the interview
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Here is the interview with the magazine: Hjernesagen = The Brain Cause/Association
https://www.hjernesagen.dk/wp-conten...nr.-2-2021.pdf
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What a very moving account!
And very honest.
It was good they chose this magazine and this cause to tell their story in depth for the first time.
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Actually, from the way I initially read the Twitter quote, without being familiar with Joachim, it's quite hard to tell whether Marie meant that he is usually articulate, or whether he can sound convoluted and abstruse without needing to be severely ill! (And I thought it was the latter!)
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Old 04-18-2021, 03:25 AM
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(Edited and re-uploaded in accordance with TRF guidelines:)

Here is the interview with the magazine: Hjernesagen = The Brain Cause/Association
https://www.hjernesagen.dk/wp-conten...nr.-2-2021.pdf

And a summary:
It was in the early evening of 24th July 2020. Joachim had given an interview earlier in the afternoon. Joachim, our Marie and their two children went to seen a (female) cousin of Joachim's who lives five minutes by car from Chateau Cayx. The family sits on the patio, Joachim is talking to his (male) cousin, when Marie notices that Joachim is talking nonsense. Something that is most unusual for her husband! For a brief second she thought he was teasing, but when she looks at him, she immediately realize that something is seriously wrong.
Marie asks Joachim to repeat what he just told his cousin, to Joachim's surprise:
"I can't feel anything. When you have thought the sentence, you have already heard it being articulated inside your head, and that's why it appears clear. So I'm astonished that she asks me to repeat. When I look over at her I can tell from her expression that something is wrong. But I can't feel anything."
Marie pads Joachim's arm:
"I knew right away that something was seriously wrong with his brain. I could see he facial-paralysis, it was... it was very, very dreadful. They are images that are forever in my mind."

Together with the (female) cousin Marie sounds the alarm. Unfortunately they are half an hour away from the hospital in Cahors, there is no ambulance nearby and time is critical!
Fortunately a rescue-vehicle from the fire brigade is nearby and help arrives in fifteen minutes.
Joachim can remember everything. He is not in pain and have no black-outs. He recalls the paramedics arriving and putting him on a stretcher and the drive to Cahors.
Marie drives along in the rescue-vehicle. A trip that normally lasts half an hour is done in 20 minutes. The children and their dog stays with the cousin.
On the way it is determined that Joachim is paralyzed in the entire left side of his body, from head to toe.
They arrive at the hospital in Cahors, between 21 and 22 in the evening, where Joachim is immediately scanned.
Joachim also clearly remember arriving and being checked at the hospital in Cahors. That doesn't have the facilities to treat him. So he is send on to the specialists in Toulouse.
During the drive there, he loses consciousness.

Marie however is left behind in Cahors:
"It was truly dreadful. I couldn't come along in the ambulance and I had no car in Cahors. So I had to find a car as fast as possible, so I could follow to Toulouse. I was quick to give them my mobile number, so that I could a little bit about what happened when I couldn't come along. They told me his condition was worsening and when I asked them what was the first thing that could happen, they wouldn't talk too much about it. But they were very concerned."

Joachim arrives to Toulouse around 01 and around 02 he undergoes a procedure, a thrombectomy.
Joachim has a cone-shaped bloodclot 3 mm in diameter and 13 mm long and located 4-5 cm after the first fork of the main artery, shutting off half of the blood-flow to the brain. The large size if fortunate though, because it means the doctors can remove the bloodclot.
Marie:
"It was THAT close to a tragedy that could have changed our lives forever. We are very grateful for being together today and being able to talk to you about it. I'm so grateful that he can smile and recognize me."
While Joachim is in the operating theater, Marie spends a very long night at the hospital waiting, together with Joachim's (female) cousin. or her that was pretty much the worst part:
"During the first phase it was necessary that I was focused and on. But suddenly I'm just sitting there waiting. You become really sad, because you can see the images of the accident before you, again and again. And you can see a person who is completely helpless and who can't do anything. I was afraid we would lose him as a person. His physical paralysis worried me much less, what was important was to save his brain. His ability to talk and think."

At 08.00 Marie is finally getting good news:
Marie knew he was responsive, and went in to see him right away. Joachim smiled at her, though he can't remember it today, with both sides of his face. She knew that he wouldn't be paralyzed in one side of his body.
In the meantime the DRF have been informed, but the children are not told anything until there are good news for certain. Marie would not give them false hopes.
Marie felt there was no reason to neither alarm them more then necessary, nor to give them a sense of false hope.

For Joachim that period is blurry. However when he wakes up the next day, Marie is at his side. A very special moment for him. Even though he still hadn't comprehended all details of what had happened, he did not that he had been hanging in the balance. The first thing I told her was: You saved my life!
I was incredibly fortunate.
I have experienced how Marie immediately took command of the situation and that she with her decisive actions was the one who led until I was handed over to the paramedics in Cahors and sent on to Toulouse. She was amazing! She went into soldier-mode."
Joachim praises his wife for taking charge in regards to everything, also the mundane details, about buying for food. looking after the dog, ensuring the children were looked after. Everything was under control.
"Marie was both superman and octopus at the same time."
Marie protests but:
"Yes, you were. And I know that I with Marie has a resourceful, loving, caring and safe support."

Joachim spend five days in intensive care, followed by another five days in ward before being discharged. And coming back to Cayx he was relieved to see, and recognize his children again - knowing they wouldn't have to go to hospital to visit him there for the rest of his life.
Joachim was still quite weak but together they slowly started his rehabilitation, like going for walks in local area.
Marie however was afraid to leave Joachim alone. She feared he would have another stroke and the images from him having the stroke went through her mind all the time.
"Normally Joachim is the strong viking, who is never ever ill. But all of a sudden the one who has always been the strongest, isn't that anymore: Now it was actually me who was to be the strongest. It was strange, but also good, because that is a part of being together: You must always be there for each other."

Joachim:
"Switching roles can actually bring something good with it."

Joachim has no physical aftereffects from the stroke, and he considers himself to have been extremely lucky! He is not suffereing from PTSD, but the mental recovery phase after the stroke has been long. He see things and past events in a different light now. Everything happened at the right time, from Marie spotting his symptoms and immediately sounding the alarm. The help being nearby. World specialist also being nearby at Toulouse. It all clicked at just the right time.

Marie and Joachim have talked a lot about what happened afterwards, it wasn't that easy for Marie though, but it has helped.
The sympathy from the public was very heartwarming, also the fact that Joachim family got a lot of sympathy as well, it wasn't just directed at the patient.
Both of them are convinced that it was the late Prince Henrik who helped them.

It' the first time J&M talks about what specifically happened that evening and Marie explains that they have been looking forward to telling the story, but for her this has nevertheless been hard to return to. It still affects her, something she had not expected.

J&M were interviewed at the Danish embassy.

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What a very moving account!
And very honest.
It was good they chose this magazine and this cause to tell their story in depth for the first time.
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Old 05-11-2021, 08:12 PM
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Another interview from Paris
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Old 05-12-2021, 03:52 AM
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Here's another photo of the interview.


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Old 05-12-2021, 05:17 AM
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About the Interview

https://princessmariescloset.com/202...in-the-moment/

More pictures from the interview

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Prince Henrik and Prince Henrik!

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Old 05-12-2021, 12:02 PM
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They leave the impression of having grown closer together as a couple.

I also got the impression that Henrik has been teased a little at school about being a royal.
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Old 05-12-2021, 12:15 PM
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They leave the impression of having grown closer together as a couple.

I also got the impression that Henrik has been teased a little at school about being a royal.
Athena probably as well; but according to Marie she is confident (and (my interpretation) not an easy target, while Henrik is a 'softer soul' and an easier target.

This part about 'dissatisfaction' is also telling; so the whole move to France is indeed a way to find some new kind of meaning for their lives:

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A part of the interview also focused on Prince Joachim’s role as spare in the royal family. He said: “For the Crown Prince, it is enough to follow the course of events. But nothing is defined when the role of the spare and his wife, neither in writing nor orally. My father experienced the same dissatisfaction and never managed to get a clarification of his place in the royal family.” He also said that it wasn’t always easy as they had to find a role while staying in their place. Princess Marie did admit that she felt a little bit more free now and she said: “This will perhaps allow us to find our place, always with the mission of representing the family and our country well.”
And I don't think this was for princess Marie to say - imho it is up to Frederik and Mary to speak about the future of their children, not to the children's aunt:
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And I don't think, this was for princess Marie to say - imho it is up to Frederik and Mary to speak about the future of their children, not to the children's aunt:
Not her place to say that
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I do wish they would stop it with the victim narrative. It's so unnecessary that they keep reinforcing the idea that boo-hoo we're perfect scapegoats when the vast majority of the criticism they've received has been self-inflicted. And it's especially unnecessary since the public mood around Joachim in Denmark has really changed after he did his very popular documentary series, and also after his blood clot. I don't understand their (and seemingly especially Marie's) need to wallow around in this mentality instead of building on the positive attitude towards them.

The "Nothing is defined [for the spare]" part is also slightly puzzling to me considering, how less than a year ago, they went on record basically implying they were forced to move to France. So it's wrong when they have room to define their own roles but when others are trying to define it for them it's also wrong?

I do, however, think what Joachim said about Harry and Meghan was very lovely. Don't appreciate the media's apparent intention to ask every royal available about H&M (IIRC Marie's also been asked before – gave a bit of a different answer that I can't remember off the top of my head) but Joachim's answer is definitely the most sensible one I've heard yet.

And poor little Henrik. A sensitive soul like his cousin Vincent. But what Marie said about installing confidence in the kids is very reassuring. (And I'm not surprised Athena is already a pillar of confidence – the difference in character between Henrik and Athena reminds me a lot of the difference between their twin cousins.)

Oh, and I can appreciate that Joachim and Marie don't hide behind "courtiers" and "royal sources" when they want to get their points across. I don't always agree with said points but I think it's commendable that they're actually taking responsibility for what they're putting out there.
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Breaking news....
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I guess you are still busy writing a short summary of what the breaking news is

Edit: Went to Google translate for a translation; and it is just writing about the piece in Vanity Fair and stressing the point that I stressed above about 'dissatisfaction'.
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I do wish they would stop it with the victim narrative. It's so unnecessary that they keep reinforcing the idea that boo-hoo we're perfect scapegoats when the vast majority of the criticism they've received has been self-inflicted. And it's especially unnecessary since the public mood around Joachim in Denmark has really changed after he did his very popular documentary series, and also after his blood clot. I don't understand their (and seemingly especially Marie's) need to wallow around in this mentality instead of building on the positive attitude towards them.

The "Nothing is defined [for the spare]" part is also slightly puzzling to me considering, how less than a year ago, they went on record basically implying they were forced to move to France. So it's wrong when they room to define their own roles but when others are trying to define it for them it's also wrong?
I agree. Their multiple interviews over the past year or so have been confusing. This narrative of painting themselves as the victims, through no fault of their own, is tiring. Joachim had turned a leaf with his documentaries. Marie, well, Im still puzzled with her work.

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I do, however, think what Joachim said about Harry and Meghan was very lovely. Don't appreciate the media's apparent intention to ask every royal available about H&M (IIRC Marie's also been asked before – gave a bit of a different answer that I can't remember off the top of my head) but Joachim's answer is definitely the most sensible one I've heard yet.....
Marie said something along the lines of 'Complaining is useless'. But then goes on to complain a little in a future interview.

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and right before Christian's confirmation
I do help Joachim finds his niche. He has some talents and I hope he continues exploring them. But at 51 and 45, lets also take some personal responsibility.
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Not her place to say that
Truth. The one who has to talk about her children's future is Princess Mary and Prince Frederik.
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Joachim is pointing out that he sense a similar (public) displeasing with him, that is comparable to what PH felt.

- I actually agree with him. There is a tendency IMO, for quite a few to shall we say vilify him. In the sense that whatever he does, say or behave it isn't right. - He's snob, he's arrogant, he's cold - he is all sorts of things.

And when he has had failures in life, which he undeniably has, there is very little sympathy from some people. When he talks about his failures, from his point of view there is a tendency among to dismiss it outright as whining.

We can debate endlessly as to whether he is right or not, but that how he feels it.
Royals are human too, and that includes the very human feeling of sometimes feeling sorry for yourself.

One more thing: Why shouldn't our Marie say something that is official and has been official for years: That apart from Christian, none of M&F's children will get an apanage and they will have to make a living on their own.
That has been mentioned very often here on TRF. - In fact I'm one of the few who is convinced that at least Isabella will have some sort of official role as a royal - and as such either get an apanage or have a public expense account.
Leading politicians have talked about, the DRF have talked about, the press talk about it, people talk about it. - So why not Marie?
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Joachim is pointing out that he sense a similar (public) displeasing with him, that is comparable to what PH felt.

- I actually agree with him. There is a tendency IMO, for quite a few to shall we say vilify him. In the sense that whatever he does, say or behave it isn't right. - He's snob, he's arrogant, he's cold - he is all sorts of things.

And when he has had failures in life, which he undeniably has, there is very little sympathy from some people. When he talks about his failures, from his point of view there is a tendency among to dismiss it outright as whining.

We can debate endlessly as to whether he is right or not, but that how he feels it.
Royals are human too, and that includes the very human feeling of sometimes feeling sorry for yourself.

One more thing: Why shouldn't our Marie say something that is official and has been official for years: That apart from Christian, none of M&F's children will get an apanage and they will have to make a living on their own.
That has been mentioned very often here on TRF. - In fact I'm one of the few who is convinced that at least Isabella will have some sort of official role as a royal - and as such either get an apanage or have a public expense account.
Leading politicians have talked about, the DRF have talked about, the press talk about it, people talk about it. - So why not Marie?
Why would she talk about it?

She presents it as 'CP Frederik and CP Mary have decided that...', which is very different from what you are describing: it is official that none of their children will get an apanage. Was that truly something that the CP couple could decide? And what are the consequences of not receiving an apanage; do they have no role whatsoever and can they do as they please? Or will they have a limited role but won't be completely funded (still, why would she talk about it? There was no reason). I am not sure that all of that is set in stone and I don't recall any official communication on what their roles as not-sponsored siblings of a future monarch will be.

Marie's statement seems to go further than earlier discussions... She is not talking about 'an apanage', she is talking about 'the children will lead a life as they see fit' - which is also different than what you are saying, i.e., that it is likely that Isabella will have some kind of official role as the spare.

However, I would be interested in reading any specifics that Frederik and Mary previously said about the future of their younger children (probably in a different topic). Thanks in advance!

N.B. Joachim is right that it isn't the easiest way as their role is less fixed but some siblings have found very fulfilling lives enjoying a lot of the privileges of being a member of the royal family, without the burden of being the monarch. Others seem to have had more trouble accepting that it is their sibling that is (to become) the monarch and not they themselves (although they might not like the responsibility and limitations that come with it - most of the prestige is already there; although they will always be 'second' to their sibling). And some families have dealt with it better than others: expecting siblings to first support the monarchy and then figure it out for themselves when they are much older doesn't seem to be a good way of going about it.
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In what way does it differ?

Of course M&F have decided. It's their children.
It wouldn't be the official policy if M&F was in total disagreement. Especially as they are going to be in charge within a foreseeable span of years.
Then some other phrase would have been used.

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Yes, they are going to have a life as they see fit - if they are not going to have an apanage and as such no royal role. Unless you expect them to work for free.
As for Isabella - that is my opinion. I believe there will be a need for Isabella in a royal role, just in case and when needed. She may do a Benedikte, but I believe Isabella will be around and as such get some money from the state.

Try turn it around: "J&M refuse to comment on whether M&F's children will get money from the state when they grow up!" - "Are they going to get an apanage anyway?" - "Is there a change of plans?"
So why not stick to official policy?

Suggest you do a search: Prins Chistian apanage
It won't be difficult for you to find official references.
https://www.dr.dk/nyheder/indland/ko...rins-christian
https://www.berlingske.dk/samfund/ko...rins-christian
https://underholdning.tv2.dk/royale/...-knokle-ekstra
https://www.kristeligt-dagblad.dk/li...til-skaere-ned
- And it explains why I believe in the distinct possibility of Isabella getting an apanage.
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In what way does it differ?

Of course M&F have decided. It's their children.
It wouldn't be the official policy if M&F was in total disagreement. Especially as they are going to be in charge within a foreseeable span of years.
Then some other phrase would have been used.
Could they really decide that the government was going to fund their children for the next 80+ years? Wow, that is quite impressive for a royal family. I would think something like that would have to be agreed upon with the government; and would not be a personal decision of the future king and queen that will cost the state millions for decades to come.

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Yes, they are going to have a life as they see fit - if they are not going to have an apanage and as such no royal role. Unless you expect them to work for free.
As for Isabella - that is my opinion. I believe there will be a need for Isabella in a royal role, just in case and when needed. She may do a Benedikte, but I believe Isabella will be around and as such get some money from the state.
If there are or might be certain expectations of Isabella, that means that she cannot live a life as she sees fit. She would need to find something that works with both being the spare and building a life of her own. A delicate but not impossible balance.

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Try turn it around: "J&M refuse to comment on whether M&F's children will get money from the state when they grow up!" - "Are they going to get an apanage anyway?" - "Is there a change of plans?"
So why not stick to official policy?
But she wasn't asked about Frederik and Mary's children! They were asked about their own children. Joachim answered that question (and wasn't even done answering the question as after Marie's interruption he continued talking about his eldest sons) and than Marie felt the need to start talking about her nieces and nephew for some unknown reason. So, your scenario does not apply.

Thanks for the links, will look at it!
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As there was no official political demand for not giving M&F's children an apanage, except Christian, yes.
Because the DRF decided to be proactive and state, very clearly, as described in the links I posted, that there is no, and never has been an expectation of Isabella, Vincent and Josephine getting an apanage.
- That was a decision.

Okay, Marie shouldn't answer a question, she hasn't been asked, I take it that's what you mean?
Well, she did. Big deal. - Still, it's official stance of the DRF, so the problem is...?
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