 |
|
05-14-2021, 05:54 PM
|
 |
Majesty
|
|
Join Date: Aug 2017
Location: Somewhere, Suriname
Posts: 9,026
|
|
Quote:
Originally Posted by Muhler
Ah, I see.
Well, that would also call for a change of the Constitution. Because the Constitution says very clearly that Denmark is a Christian country, adhering to the Lutheran faith. I.e. the State Church.
|
I'd say that is a much larger change than just removing the Lutheran Church as the State Church. Although I would think that theoretically it is possible to define yourself as a Christian country without having a State Church.
But if I understand it correctly, in practice, there is very little practical significance of Denmark being a Christian country? Or do(es) Christianity/Christians receive a preferential treatment over other religions/believers?
Quote:
And then we are back to square one. Those who care are members of the State Church and they are unlikely to abolish the State Church.
And those who are not members of the State Church, don't pay church-tax, so it really doesn't matter to us.
So it's only a small minority who, mainly for principle, wish to abolish the concept of a State Church.
It certainly ain't something that's gonna sell and get people off the couches and off to the ballot boxes!
I do however disagree with you on one thing: There will be a minister for religious affairs even after the State Church was abolished.
The current Church Minister also oversee the affairs other religions.
|
We weren't discussing that issue, so I am not sure how you could disagree with a position I never expressed  I only stated that there would not be a minister who would be the Head of the Church in this scenario. I did not say anything about whether there would be a minister for religious affairs or not (personally, I don't see a need for it, as many countries do without but if Denmark wishes to have one, why not?).
|
05-14-2021, 06:04 PM
|
|
Courtier
|
|
Join Date: Aug 2011
Location: Berlin, Germany
Posts: 954
|
|
Quote:
Originally Posted by Somebody
If there is no longer a state church, I don't see why a government (i.e., state) minister would be head of a non-state church...
|
It is as well a tradition founded by Luther himself. While he preached at one point, that everybody should be one's own preacher... the quarrels of the times made it necessary to protect the new church.
And then he declared the Princes as "emergency bishops" and protectors. That is, how the state churches developed later on. (A provisional institution became, what the lutheranian churches in some countries are today - a wordly power thingy. Imho...)
|
05-14-2021, 06:27 PM
|
 |
Imperial Majesty
|
|
Join Date: Apr 2010
Location: Eastern Jutland, Denmark
Posts: 16,105
|
|
Quote:
Originally Posted by Somebody
I'd say that is a much larger change than just removing the Lutheran Church as the State Church. Although I would think that theoretically it is possible to define yourself as a Christian country without having a State Church.
But if I understand it correctly, in practice, there is very little practical significance of Denmark being a Christian country? Or do(es) Christianity/Christians receive a preferential treatment over other religions/believers?
We weren't discussing that issue, so I am not sure how you could disagree with a position I never expressed I only stated that there would not be a minister who would be the Head of the Church in this scenario. I did not say anything about whether there would be a minister for religious affairs or not (personally, I don't see a need for it, as many countries do without but if Denmark wishes to have one, why not?). |
Apart from a pretty generous funding from the state, not really I'd say.
The state is not obliged to fund building of non-State Church shrines.
And Lutheran holidays also being national holidays.
But it is really something our resident theologian Benedikte can answer better than me.
I interpreted from your reply that you believed there would no need for a Minister of Church if there was no State Church, hence my reply.
There will be a need for an administrator to handle funding, permits, regulations, checks, vetting and what not. The easiest would be to do what is being done today, having a ministry dedicated to that.
On another note:
BB will send live from Fredensborg tomorrow.
https://www.billedbladet.dk/kongelig...s-konfirmation
Further details and link to be added.
You should be able to watch it outside DK.
Whether there will be that much to see is another matter though.
Suggest you keep an eye under "Video".
|
05-14-2021, 08:04 PM
|
|
Imperial Majesty
|
|
Join Date: Nov 2008
Location: san diego, United States
Posts: 10,360
|
|
More information and pictures on the church where Christian's confirmation will take place.
https://www.kongehuset.dk/nyheder/fr...g-slotskirke-0
(..)
Up until his confirmation, which takes place today at 11.00, His Royal Highness Prince Christian has participated in confirmation preparation. The actual preparation has, among other things, consisted of conversations with the royal confessor, Bishop Henrik Wigh-Poulsen. The picture in this post is from one of these conversations in Frederik VIII's Palace at Amalienborg. In addition, Prince Christian has followed confirmation preparation together with his class at Tranegårdskolen in Gentofte.
Confirmation is the ecclesiastical act in which God confirms the promise made at baptism and the confirmand receives a blessing at the same time. Prince Christian was baptized on Saturday 21 January 2006 in Christiansborg Castle Church. The prince was held by his mother, Her Royal Highness the Crown Princess, and was named Christian Valdemar Henri John. The last time Christiansborg Castle Church formed the framework for a similar event was at Christian 10.'s baptism in 1870. In addition to being baptized in the same church, Prince Christian was also baptized in the same baptismal gown, which in its time was sewn to Christian 10. - Prince Christian's great-grandfather.
https://www.instagram.com/p/CO4cv_sgrII/
|
05-15-2021, 05:02 AM
|
 |
Heir Apparent
|
|
Join Date: Nov 2010
Location: Roskilde, Denmark
Posts: 4,357
|
|
|
What a handsome and well dressed confirmand Prince Christian is!
Lovely family, they all 7 looks so beautiful today. Lovely to see all the local greeted Prince Christian and family.
Now the private church service...
|
05-15-2021, 05:14 AM
|
 |
Administrator
|
|
Join Date: Jan 2005
Location: , Germany
Posts: 71,961
|
|
__________________
**** Welcome aboard! ****
|
05-15-2021, 05:21 AM
|
 |
Heir Apparent
|
|
Join Date: Jan 2012
Location: Malmö, Sweden
Posts: 4,602
|
|
Quote:
Originally Posted by Muhler
---------------
Benedikte is not present.
She is in DK, but she will not be present for the confirmation.
No explanation as to why.
|
To keep the number of guests down?
|
05-15-2021, 05:23 AM
|
|
Imperial Majesty
|
|
Join Date: Apr 2010
Location: Eastern Jutland, Denmark
Posts: 16,105
|
|
Quote:
Originally Posted by JR76
To keep the number of guests down?
|
Don't think so. They are AFAIK far from exceeding the limit of private gatherings.
He sure has become tall! He's towering over his parents.
And Isabella has become a young lady now. She seemed slightly uncomfortable to me though. Hope she hasn't become too self-conscious about her appearance. They are vulnerable at that age.
EDIT: I take that one back. In further footage she looks fine. Perhaps the cobblestones combines with high heels?
I noticed that Josephine, being a little ham, liked the attention. 
A running commentary from BT:
https://www.bt.dk/royale/live-foelg-...edensborg-slot
Check regularly for updates, photos and videos.
---------------
Benedikte is not present.
She is in DK, but she will not be present for the confirmation.
No explanation as to why.
------------
Are you able to watch this short video from TV2?
https://nyheder.tv2.dk/2021-05-15-lige-nu
Scroll down to 11:07
--------------
Gallery from BB, will probably be updated:
https://www.billedbladet.dk/kongelig...ation#134468-6
-------------
I noticed the Reedtz-Thotts were among the guests.
The CP family walked from Kancellihuset, past the onlookers and press at the entrance of the palace complex, through the courtyard towards QMII standing in the door of the main entrance.
Nikolai and Felix arrived some time before and were met by QMII.
|
05-15-2021, 05:38 AM
|
|
Serene Highness
|
|
Join Date: Jul 2011
Location: xxx, Finland
Posts: 1,107
|
|
Quote:
Originally Posted by JR76
To keep the number of guests down?
|
Yes, why not. Perhaps for the two friends of Christian who attend.
Added and quoting Billed Bladet:
"It seems that Prince Christian was very much involved in deciding who he would include as guests for his confirmation on Saturday morning.
there was a larger group of young happy people among the 25 guests that the Crown Prince's family had invited to the prince's confirmation in Fredensborg Castle Church. "
|
05-15-2021, 05:53 AM
|
 |
Heir Presumptive
|
|
Join Date: Nov 2007
Location: Near Brisbane, Australia
Posts: 2,376
|
|
|
The family look so very smart and well turned out. Prince Christian standing tall and proud and I am now thinking he resembles more like Prince Henrik than anyone else I can think of. Prss Isabella looks lovely. Even with salt and pepper in his beard how does CP Frederik manage to remain so goodlooking. Along with Mads he has the IT factor IMHO, and I am sure Madam Polyesco will agree with me. Mary looks lovely as usual.
Aha, I just noticed Frederik, Christian and Vincent are all wearing spotted ties similiar to Mary' s spotted dress. Except that Vincents tie is a lighter colour.
|
05-15-2021, 06:54 AM
|
|
Serene Highness
|
|
Join Date: Jul 2011
Location: xxx, Finland
Posts: 1,107
|
|
|
|
05-15-2021, 07:00 AM
|
 |
Heir Apparent
|
|
Join Date: Jan 2006
Location: LIEGE, Belgium
Posts: 5,501
|
|
|
Perfect and handsome family. How Christian grew ! How handsome he is !
|
05-15-2021, 07:43 AM
|
|
Majesty
|
|
Join Date: Aug 2017
Location: Somewhere, Suriname
Posts: 9,026
|
|
|
Don't you all love how proud especially Vincent is looking when he is looking up to his brother?!
|
05-15-2021, 07:47 AM
|
|
Heir Apparent
|
|
Join Date: Nov 2010
Location: Roskilde, Denmark
Posts: 4,357
|
|
Two very proud parents
https://24liveblog.tradingfront.cn/e...43_707773.jpeg
https://billedbladet-prod.imgix.net/...=imgixjs-3.4.0
https://s3.amazonaws.com/bucket.scri...beba873cd8.jpg
Christian helping his grandmother down the stairs:
https://images.scribblelive.com/2021...4e0e0198ef.jpg
Group photo after the service:
https://24liveblog.tradingfront.cn/e...21_466815.jpeg
And TODAY’S MAN!
Such a handsome, well behaved and eloquent young man. Frederik and Mary can rightly be proud.
https://billedbladet-prod.imgix.net/...=imgixjs-3.4.0
Prince Christian has now been confirmed and subsequently posed for the press with his family where he said that his grandfather, Mary's father, John was missing today.
- Yes, I have missed my grandfather. He was with us in our thoughts today, says Prince Christian.
Asked what he has received as a confirmation gift, he answers: - I do not know yet."
B.T.'s royal correspondent follows today's confirmation at Fredensborg Palace:
- While the bishop has prepared Christian for the church service, it was very clear that the Crown Prince and Crown Princess had prepared Christian thoroughly
for the press, Jacob Heinel Jensen says. - For the first time ever, the Crown Prince and Crown Princess left Christian alone with the press at the end of the photo shoot. And Christian answered questions about everything from guests to gifts It is a clear signal that Christian has grown up. Now the heir to the throne can speak for himself. And he did great. As a young adult man.
- When a journalist asks Mary the same question that Christian had already been asked - namely how the rest of the day will be - Mary says that Christian has already answered that. It's Mary's loving way of saying, 'It's Christian's day, and he's doing the talking, he adds.’
Video: ‘The Crown Prince family surprised big time: No one had seen that coming.’
https://www.billedbladet.dk/kongelig...rraskede-stort
"The approximately 150 people who had gathered in the palace square in front of Fredensborg Palace to get a glimpse of the royal family in connection with Prince Christian's confirmation had a nice surprise in the afternoon, when the church ceremony was well over. At 12.30, all of a sudden, Crown Prince Frederik and Crown Princess Mary and their four children appeared in front of the Chancellery House and waved to everyone. It aroused big cheers and joy among those present, several of whom had been waiting in the icy cold weather for a long time."
|
05-15-2021, 08:38 AM
|
 |
Imperial Majesty
|
|
Join Date: Jun 2007
Location: Southwest, Finland
Posts: 34,297
|
|
At Facebook of the Swedish Royal Court
Today, Prince Christian is confirmed by Denmark in Fredensborg Palace Chapel.
The prince is one of the Crown Princess' godchildren and if it had not been for the pandemic, the Crown Princess would today be in Denmark to participate in the confirmation ceremony.
Instead, the Crown Princess has sent congratulations to her Danish godson, hoping that they will soon have the opportunity to meet.
https://www.facebook.com/Kungahuset/...1324797593067/
|
05-15-2021, 08:40 AM
|
 |
Heir Apparent
|
|
Join Date: Jun 2009
Location: Copenhagen, Denmark
Posts: 3,334
|
|
Gosh, Christian has gotten so big! (or "kæmpestor" as Mary rightly said, he's towering over both of his parents now  ) Where has time gone? And both gallantly helping his grandmother down the stairs and eloquently and confidently answering questions on his big day ("they're with us in our thoughts and our hearts" – such a wonderful way to put it).
I love that Mary repeated the Connaught Sapphire Brooch. And I love the dotted theme the Crown Prince family seemed to be sporting (especially Christian and Mary looked like they were matching both in colour and in dots).
And Mary and Frederik holding hands as they left their big boy for the solo pictures 
I also think it was really neat how Christian got to invite his own friends now that he didn't get to be confirmed alongside them. I'm actually quite certain that's why Benedikte sat out on the confirmation – to make room for as many friends as possible.
__________________
"Hope is like the sun. If you only believe it when you see it you'll never make it through the night."
— Our Princess
|
05-15-2021, 08:43 AM
|
 |
Super Moderator
|
|
Join Date: Dec 2003
Location: Esslingen, Germany
Posts: 6,758
|
|
|
A nice Tribute that Mary wore the Connaught sapphire brooch which was given to her by Queen Margrethe after his birth and first worn at his christening. Unfortunately it got lost (at last on pics) in the pattern of her gown.
__________________
Stefan
|
|
|
|
Currently Active Users Viewing This Thread: 1 (0 members and 1 guests)
|
|
|
| Thread Tools |
Search this Thread |
|
|
|
| Display Modes |
 Linear Mode
|
Posting Rules
|
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts
HTML code is Off
|
|
|
|
Recent Discussions |
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
