Four years down the track; Is Mary OK now?

[Victoria]

Mary is a lovely lady. I give her credit for the work she's doing it must be tough to be a crown princess.

[madeleine victoria]

Originally Posted by princess olga

I agree with this entire post. As for myself, interestingly, (well, to me at least! ) I find that more and more, anything Mary-related only yields, well, indifference from me, for some reason, I increasingly could care less what she says or does.

To contrast this a bit, on the other hand, I find I have the opposite reaction with anything Maxima related these days. Until not too long ago, I was utterly convinced Maxima took it easy, had her cake and knew to eat it too. But I have noticed that when you actually look at the content of for example her speeches, that she is very very involved with the content of it, whether she writes the actual speeches or not. What's more, Maxima is really showing a distinct <vision> on the topics she is tackling, and not only a vision, but a forward-thinking one at that! Very impressive actually.

As impressive as I find Maxima's involvement these days, as UNimpressed I am with Mary. She seems indifferent, and it shows in her speeches. They are cliche and distant, unoriginal, and uncommitted. Written by a pro, and without, seemingly, much involvement from Her Royal Highness. When Mary was in Prague, she looked great, granted. But I couldn't help but think: what is this dime-a-dozen girl doing that she is getting this welcome? I just couldn't understand the fuss. And not because she is a common-man born princess: because of her own seeming indifference toward the world. Pay it forward, you get what you sow. Hence Maxima's success, which is inspiring actually, hence my indifference towards anything Mary. Her husband seems indifferent too. And lazy to boot. What goes around, seems to come around: if these royals could care less, why on the planet should I?

I completely agree with you.. Fred is so lazy.. I think the Danish RF should start noticing that.. How many times did we see Fred having an agenda.. not much..At first when they get married it seems that almost every week they have activities but now...hhmmmmm i haven't seen Fred in any other duties..If I were a Dane I would start considering it as a problem...It looks like fred is the one depending on his wife's popularity.. a bad sign for a future sovereign if I must say..

[Surfcity]

Originally Posted by KelliB

Thank you, fellow Perth pal!

Agree

She went to the other side of the World with little experience of Europe plus the difficult Danish language and she is doing fine now. Put yourself in the position of coming here to Australia under a similair situation and with similair circumstances - it would not be easy and it was not easy for her and inevatibly in her eagerness to please she came of awkward and artifical on occassions. She will be ok

[Little_star]

Originally Posted by Surfcity

Agree

She went to the other side of the World with little experience of Europe plus the difficult Danish language and she is doing fine now. Put yourself in the position of coming here to Australia under a similair situation and with similair circumstances - it would not be easy and it was not easy for her and inevatibly in her eagerness to please she came of awkward and artifical on occassions. She will be ok

People move across the world all the time and often under much more difficult circumstances. Most of them don't have the luxury of being supported by a wealthy boyfriend.

[UserDane]

Originally Posted by madeleine victoria

How many times did we see Fred having an agenda

How many times have you looked at the place where his agenda is published?

[Madame Royale]

Originally Posted by Little_star

People move across the world all the time and often under much more difficult circumstances. Most of them don't have the luxury of being supported by a wealthy boyfriend.

I know your response was in reply to another's post but surely your not holding that against Mary, Little_star.

I think most would agree that the support of her then boyfriend was something to be expected, especially when in a progressing and serious relationship.

Making a comparison (however slight it may be) to others world wide who have experienced a 'similar' life change (as in moving from one country to another) is not a fair comparison, for each situation is different and should be notably recognised as such. I think we all must take note of that.

[tabbitha]

Originally Posted by Madame Royale

I know your response was in reply to anothers post but surely your not holding that against Mary, Little_star.

I think most would agree that the support of her then boyfriend was something to be expected, especially when in a progressing and serious relationship.

And making a comparison (however slight it may be) to others world wide who have experienced a 'similar' life change (as in moving from one country to another) is not a fair comparison, for each situation is different and should be notably recognised as such.

That's right,
It's not like we can all be the Future Queen of Denmark now can we

[Little_star]

Originally Posted by Madame Royale

I know your response was in reply to another's post but surely your not holding that against Mary, Little_star.

I think most would agree that the support of her then boyfriend was something to be expected, especially when in a progressing and serious relationship.

I'm talking about financial support.

Originally Posted by Madame Royale

Making a comparison (however slight it may be) to others world wide who have experienced a 'similar' life change (as in moving from one country to another) is not a fair comparison, for each situation is different and should be notably recognised as such.

You're right. 99% of people will make such a move under much more difficult, stressful and upsetting circumstances.

[Madame Royale]

Originally Posted by Little_star

I'm talking about financial support.

Yes, I meant all forms of support whether financial or otherwise. And to be fare, you or I aren't aware of the financial arrangements between the then Miss Donaldson and Crown Prince Frederik. It is nothing but speculation

You're right. 99% of people will make such a move under much more difficult, stressful and upsetting circumstances.

If I may ask...

Why take the time to explore the obvious (by anyone's standards) when the differences are many and of no real significance given we were not talking of people in general, but of one person (two if you put yourself in her place as was proposed by Surfcity) I mean no offence, I just can't see its relevance that's all.

[Australian]

Madame Royal, I agree with you, I cant see the relevance as well.

Also, Mary's situation is different to most people moving countries. She was becoming a representative of a foreign country which I presume she had limited knowledge of. Now that is heavy stuff. Going to another country where you know hardly anyone and your going to be the Queen's daughter-in-law. You have to look outside the square, it would have been easy finacially for her, but thats where the easy bit finishes in my opinion. She wasn't just going to another country to blend in, she was going to become the representative!

[Little_star]

Originally Posted by Australian

Also, Mary's situation is different to most people moving countries. She was becoming a representative of a foreign country which I presume she had limited knowledge of.

I guess you must know something the rest of the world doesn't as Mary wasn't engaged to Fred when she moved to Denmark.

[Little_star]

Originally Posted by Madame Royale

Yes, I meant all forms of support whether financial or otherwise. And to be fare, you or I aren't aware of the financial arrangements between the then Miss Donaldson and Crown Prince Frederik. It is nothing but speculation

Based on the unpaid bills a journalist found in her rubbish when she left (I no longer have the article) and the fact that she hardly had the most successful of job histories I think it's safe to say that she was being financially supported by Fred.
How else could she have possibly paid for her apartment in Copenhagen? It cost approximately $5000 a month.

[Australian]

Originally Posted by Little_star

I guess you must know something the rest of the world doesn't as Mary wasn't engaged to Fred when she moved to Denmark.

Fred was her only link to Denmark little_star, she knew it was a possibility. Fred was the only reason why she went to Denmark, unless you know otherwise? She moved to Denmark knowing full well what her life may be like there. She wasn't going to Denmark to meet future boyfriends, she moved there to marry one she already knew, and had obviously asked her to move there. Now when a prince askes a girl to move to his country, i am sure its safe to say he wants to marry her. They both must have known that marriage was strong on the cards. Do you not agree with this Little_star?

[UserDane]

Originally Posted by Little_star

Based on the unpaid bills a journalist found in her rubbish when she left (I no longer have the article) and the fact that she hardly had the most successful of job histories I think it's safe to say that she was being financially supported by Fred.
How else could she have possibly paid for her apartment in Copenhagen? It cost approximately $5000 a month.

Excuse me for asking but why is this - which is basically Frederik's and Mary's private monetary affairs - yours or any one else's business?
No one questions the validity of such an arrangement if a husband pays for his wife or vice versa; if F&M hadn't exchanged rings but had an 'understanding' then I don't understand the obsession with their financial layout.

[Madame Royale]

Originally Posted by Little_star

Based on the unpaid bills a journalist found in her rubbish when she left (I no longer have the article) and the fact that she hardly had the most successful of job histories I think it's safe to say that she was being financially supported by Fred.
How else could she have possibly paid for her apartment in Copenhagen? It cost approximately $5000 a month.

It is unfortunate that you are unable to provide the article as I would have very much liked to have seen it, but perhaps I may stumble across it some time.

Not questioning what you have read, I think by your own admission that it was a journalist who 'found' (just because they write about it does not make it so unless of course they provided an authentic copy of the bill?) the document that its quite plausable to keep in mind the possibilities of factual neglect. I mean, we are talking of a journalist who is paid to stalk and dig up dirt on his/her assigned personage even if and when there is nothing to deliver. The willingness by many (if not the majority) within the industry to stretch the truth is nothing new and unfortunately will carry on for many years to come.

I'll see what I can do to get a hold of this article

[Lizy]

Little Star, I remember too reading about unpaid bills found in a bin etc and it was in the thread re a new book about Mary written by Emma Toms. I had a look through and a lot of the linked articles are no longer available although there are some. I'm sure if you dig through this thread you'll find something!

[Madame Royale]

Originally Posted by UserDane

which is basically Frederik's and Mary's private monetary affairs.

Absolutely, UserDane.

Whatever arrangement (if there was one) was of no ones business but there's

[Madame Royale]

Originally Posted by Lizy

Little Star, I remember too reading about unpaid bills found in a bin etc and it was in the thread re a new book about Mary written by Emma Toms. I had a look through and a lot of the articles are no longer available although there was this one which mentions going through bins but doesn't really mention what was found.
http://tasmaniantimes.com/index.php/...olery-rampant/
I'm sure if you dig through this thread you'll find something!

Thank you, Lizy.

I will have a look through the link to see if there is anything of relevance. Re the book by Emma Tom. It is not new, but was published last year

I have Emma Tom's book infront of me now, and having just read the appropriate chapters, have not come up with anything relating to unpaid bills of a domestic nature in Denmark, let alone Australia.

Also pertinent to mention is that Tom's book is a slap stick take on the interest surrounding Mary, shown by many Australian's. Its not meant to degrade the Crown Princess, rather make light of the Australian interest shown.

[Little_star]

Originally Posted by Australian

Fred was her only link to Denmark little_star, she knew it was a possibility. Fred was the only reason why she went to Denmark, unless you know otherwise? She moved to Denmark knowing full well what her life may be like there. She wasn't going to Denmark to meet future boyfriends, she moved there to marry one she already knew, and had obviously asked her to move there. Now when a prince askes a girl to move to his country, i am sure its safe to say he wants to marry her. They both must have known that marriage was strong on the cards. Do you not agree with this Little_star?

May I ask why you've changed what you were saying before? Your previous post said that she was going to Denmark to be the "Queen's future daughter-in-law".

[Little_star]

Originally Posted by UserDane

Excuse me for asking but why is this - which is basically Frederik's and Mary's private monetary affairs - yours or any one else's business?
No one questions the validity of such an arrangement if a husband pays for his wife or vice versa; if F&M hadn't exchanged rings but had an 'understanding' then I don't understand the obsession with their financial layout.

Personally I think it reveals alot about a person. I'm thankful that my parents raised me in way that I would never even consider being "kept" by a man in the way Mary was when she moved to Denmark.
It reveals a lack of basic principles, imo. Of course you're free to disagree, which I'm sure you will.