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lilytornado said:A lot of people in Germany don´t know them, but a lot of do.
What a good way of looking at it
lilytornado said:A lot of people in Germany don´t know them, but a lot of do.
MargreteI said:Ok, so I can do without the title and just add the country and search only in german language. Does not change anything. Victoria and Mary still on top and Mette-Marit in the bottum.
What now ?
Are you going to say that mentioning the very country in which they are princesses distort the result ??
Elizabeth Grossbritannien - google hits 1.160.000
Mary Dänemark - google hits 463.000
Victoria Sweden - google hits 291.000
Maxima Niederland - google hits 70.000
Letizia Spanien - google hits 37.400
Mette-Marit Norwegen - google hits 10.500
I am not biased. I just happen to know quite a bit about Germany, as well as speak the language, and I know what you write is not true. Remember. You started out saying that no one would recognize any of them, and that they could stroll on the street of Berlin unrecognized. No one would care.
I just happen to know, you do not know what you are alking about in this matter.
You are quite right that there is something to be said for looking the part, as in, regal.ysbel said:I like the nose-up-in-the-air approach for princesses.
Actually I wasn't talking about formal education, sorry if I didn't express myself well. By intellectually I meant, going into these charities with something of a vision like Maxima does when she takes on a charity. One way she participates is contribute to the intellectual debate if you will, by contributing ideas, suggestions, comments. Maxima does that very well, without straying from the narrow box she is legally pushed into, as in the Netherlands, the royals aren't really supposed to be partisan about anything.ysbel said:As to the education, if its something Mary enjoys and does well, it would be lovely, but as a lover of learning and books and knowledgeable discussion, nothing irritates me more than someone getting involved in learned pursuits just because they're trying to get a more serious, responsible image. If you're going to take education seriously, get involved and put some passion behind it but if not, its best to do something that fills your passion.
Not everyone has to be super-learned.
...intimidating inlaws...
donnaK said:There are many ways you can goggle, those stats don't give a complete picture. 'Letiza' or 'Mette-Marit' alone can already give you lots of infos on these two women, thus I believe those are the ways lots of people google on 'Letizia' or 'Mette-Marit' just like me, on the other hand, more common names like 'Mary' or 'Victoria' or 'Elizabeth' doesn't, so people probably will have to add a title or a country, that might boost up the number of hits on your lists. You just don't know how people will google.
I have many German colleagues and travelled to Berlin too, they just don't recognize them. In general, people don't care about them in the streets of Berlin. If you want to pick on words such as 'nobody' vs. 'in general', well I can't help. Right, maybe a few out of hundreds out of the Berlin streets would care about the royals .
Princess Olga
Actually I wasn't talking about formal education, sorry if I didn't express myself well. By intellectually I meant, going into these charities with something of a vision like Maxima does when she takes on a charity. One way she participates is contribute to the intellectual debate if you will, by contributing ideas, suggestions, comments. Maxima does that very well, without straying from the narrow box she is legally pushed into, as in the Netherlands, the royals aren't really supposed to be partisan about anything.
As for Mary, she does take on charities and does have opinions on them but it seems to me she's always staying within the utterly politically correct frame of mind of the day, she doesn't stick her neck out intellectually like Maxima does. Which renders Mary abit boring actually. But this may well change once she's not watched like a hawk by those intimidating inlaws of hers anymore.
MargreteI said:Yes, there are many ways you can google. Great argument for rejecting a result that came up the same, twice in two different searches, and which strenghtens the validity of both the searches.
MargreteI said:Bottum line is that Mette Marit is not that known in Germany and Victoria and Mary are quite known. You wrote Mette-Marit is a frontrunner in the tabloids and the evidence is clearly that she is not.
princess olga said:As for Mary, she does take on charities and does have opinions on them but it seems to me she's always staying within the utterly politically correct frame of mind of the day, she doesn't stick her neck out intellectually like Maxima does. Which renders Mary abit boring actually. But this may well change once she's not watched like a hawk by those intimidating inlaws of hers anymore.
Maxima is involved with microcredit and integration of foreign women AFAIK, at least those are her most outstanding engagements.princess olga said:By intellectually I meant, going into these charities with something of a vision like Maxima does when she takes on a charity. One way she participates is contribute to the intellectual debate if you will, by contributing ideas, suggestions, comments. Maxima does that very well, without straying from the narrow box she is legally pushed into, as in the Netherlands, the royals aren't really supposed to be partisan about anything.
As for Mary, she does take on charities and does have opinions on them but it seems to me she's always staying within the utterly politically correct frame of mind of the day, she doesn't stick her neck out intellectually like Maxima does. Which renders Mary abit boring actually. But this may well change once she's not watched like a hawk by those intimidating inlaws of hers anymore.
ysbel said:OK, thanks for explaining, princess olga. Now I see what you mean.
Actually since I've read up on Mary and read up on some of her biographies, I get the sense that Mary is following her 'passion' so to speak but its not that apparent.
Her background, advertising, is known for taking someone else's message and makes it friendly to the masses. I see Mary's role similarly - as taking the image of the DRF as a very traditional but very urbane representative of Denmark and simply promoting that image very well. In one sense, I think she's doing with the DRF what she did in the advertising world with her client's products.
Advertising isn't very groundbreaking and neither is Mary. I think she's taking a message that we've all heard and seen before and just doing it better. You can say its very superficial; and I'd agree to a certain extent that you'd be right, but I think it works very well with this family and this monarchy.
BTW, I could definitely see Queen Margrethe as intimidating; she'd scare the dickens out of me but I don't see Margrethe as the reason that Mary sticks to the politically correct views! I just think Mary's background in advertising indicates a more conventional yet appealing personality.
donnaK said:Average German knows nothing about Mary except for royal watchers (like I said before). I showed her pictures also other CPsses pictures to some of my German colleagues, except for Camilla, nobody recognized the rest of the CPsses. They can all walk down the streets of Berlin, nobody would care.
ricarda said:Maxima is involved with microcredit and integration of foreign women AFAIK, at least those are her most outstanding engagements.
Now, can you tell me what is there that is not in the politically correct frame of mind of the day?
Those topics may be controversial but they are politically correct and
they have already been around before Maxima.
So what vision did Maxima actually contribute?
She is promoting a UN project. She has her own opinion about it.
But in what way does she stick her neck out intellectually?
You make it sound as if she is taking any risks. She is not.
And how do you know Mary didn't have a vision when she took on the topics physical and mental health, healthy lifestyle, obesity, anti-bullying, research....?
Next time she is attending a WHO conference and gives a speech about obesity for example I will call her a visionary too.
I personally think it's the main task for a crownprincess to highlight and promote various topics
and Mary has done that for many organizations and topics.
(I personally find the topics she is engaged with more interesting than e.g. microcredit.)
And Mary is a crownprincess for not even 3 years now.
What has Maxima achieved in the same time?
eireann said:I think this is a good point actually - Maxima was involved in finance before she got married, right? So Microcredit is probaby something she understands very well and is interested in. If Mary´s background is in Advertising then she´s using her skills in this area to promote her charities and that makes her work interesting for her. To put in another context how many of us here on the forums from outside Denmark are more aware of Danish organisations or specific interests of international organisations since Mary came on the scene??
Sorry, in what way did I use information that doesn't seem truthfull?Marengo said:I understand that some feeel the need of 'defending' or 'promoting' Mary here but I hate it if people do that at the expense of other royal ladies, especially if information is used in a way that doesn't seem fair/truthfull.....
As I said, those are controversial or sensitive topics but not politically uncorrect and not exactly new frontiers.Marengo said:The commission PAVEM where Maxima was a member of (for integration of imigrant women) was politically sensitive indeed. That is why the Princess was taken of the commission as soon as possible by the goverment. Now the Princess wants to become involved in a task force that adresses unemployment amongst youngsters, but the goverment wants to discuss that first to, as the advice that such a taskforce gives can collide with the goverment policies to.
I did not want to give the impression that Maxima hasn't done anythingMarengo said:After 3 years of marriage Princess Maxima already was involved with the commission PAVEM and with other charities. She was also invested as a member of the Counsil of State and as a member of the committee of the Prince Claus science chair. She also was in the board of the Orange Foundation and was actively involved in visiting and selecting projects. Maxima was also involved with a high number of other activities of course, but the above topics received more attention. Apart from that Maxima and her husband usually joined the Queen for outgoing and incoming state visits to.
lisamaria said:And the cut doens't even suit her
Marengo said:I understand that some feeel the need of 'defending' or 'promoting' Mary here but I hate it if people do that at the expense of other royal ladies, especially if information is used in a way that doesn't seem fair/truthfull.