Crown Princess Mary's Ladies-in-Waiting - Page 9

Henri M. · #**161** 01-23-2007, 11:38 AM

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Originally Posted by Alisa

Sorry to divert Henri M. but where does Frederik van Welderen Baron Rengers and Samantha live. I was under the impression they lived in the Netherlands?

It was my understanding that Frederik van Welderen Baron Rengers and his spouse Samantha Deane Green lived in Singapore and have now moved to London. In 2004 Frederik and Samantha married in the chique country-, polo- and golf club Martindale near Buenos Aires. Their wedding was attended by the Prince and Princess.

And now back to lady Caroline and Crown Princess Mary.

Yennie · #**162** 01-23-2007, 05:16 PM

Mary and Caroline knew eachother a long time before Caroline became liw. So its more about how to keep a professional relationship instead of a personal one.

fandesacs2003 · #**163** 01-23-2007, 06:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Yennie

Mary and Caroline knew eachother a long time before Caroline became liw. So its more about how to keep a professional relationship instead of a personal one.

Sorry I tried to get through before to ask, but I'm not sure that I understood well.

So

A L.I.W, has a salary, she is a kind of employee, correct?
She should be a classy, presentable person
She has not a very private life, she has to follow the princess and to assist her
How can she pay her gowns? She should be dressed very appropriate, this costs a lot.
She does not take care about the Princess dresses, hair etc? This is the role of another lady, which is not showed to the public.

I'm wrong or correct???

Thanks

Henri M. · #**164** 01-23-2007, 06:13 PM

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Originally Posted by fandesacs2003

Sorry I tried to get through before to ask, but I'm not sure that I understood well.

So

A L.I.W, has a salary, she is a kind of employee, correct?
She should be a classy, presentable person
She has not a very private life, she has to follow the princess and to assist her
How can she pay her gowns? She should be dressed very appropriate, this costs a lot.
She does not take care about the Princess dresses, hair etc? This is the role of another lady, which is not showed to the public.

I'm wrong or correct???

Thanks

A lady in waiting does not take care for the Princess' gowns. That is really 'beyond her niveau'. The Princess will have a dresser/seamstress for that duty.

The exact arrangements on ladies-in-waiting does differ from court to court. Some courts do not have a lady-in-waiting anymore. In this post you can read more information. For a fair deal it will be the same on most Courts but the style, function, arrangements etc. will differ here and there in the various countries.

biboquinhas · #**165** 01-24-2007, 04:43 AM

well I think their relationship is based on friendship otherwise Princess Mary should'nt be invited to her home last weekend!

eireann · #**166** 01-24-2007, 12:49 PM

I have to add that some of my colleagues are also my friends - but our relationship at work is different to our private relationship. Thus, I don´t see the problem for Mary and Caroline to have a similar relationship. From the little I´ve seen of Caroline she appears to be a professional when she´s at work and that´s the only important thing IMO.

bertie5252003 · #**167** 01-24-2007, 10:11 PM

This a really difficult situation for a CP to be in as she needs people to trust, socialize and just chat to BUT as CP and all that goes with that a degree of protocol must exist at all times IMO otherwise well they might as well be just one of we regular folk. Fergie and her attempts at this over friendly regular human being stuff was the worse case scenario and I donot believe that Mary would be allowed to even attempt that sort of familiar behaviour,but it is something that has to be taken into account.I hope I am expressing myself properly!Caroline Heering IS" the help" though she may or may not see herself that way I am not in a position to say and great care has to be taken to protect all forms of tradition in these strange times. IMO THAT IS.

Australian · #**168** 01-26-2007, 09:27 AM

Whatever their relationship is, I hope and am sure that Mary has someone close to her she can talk to about things, like a confidante. I think it's really important for someone in her position to have a close trusted friend to bounce things off.

Lady Bluffton · #**169** 02-19-2007, 05:57 PM

Is this a photo of Caroline???

From M. Glindorf's website (thanks much!)

Madeleine Glindorf - Webdesign, photography and more..

This was the 2007 New Year's court.

GlitteringTiaras · #**170** 02-19-2007, 06:46 PM

Yes, it is Caroline and behind her Per Thornit.

iowabelle · #**171** 02-19-2007, 06:48 PM

She's pretty, and that's a great tiara! I wonder if it is a family piece. (Now, who do you grill for information about the lady-in-waiting's jewelry!)

ayvee · #**172** 02-19-2007, 09:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Lady Bluffton

Is this a photo of Caroline???

From M. Glindorf's website (thanks much!)

Madeleine Glindorf - Webdesign, photography and more..

This was the 2007 New Year's court.

Oh my gosh! This is the first time I have seen Caroline's tiara and what do you know, I recognized it right away! It is exactly the same as a diamond tiara owned by the Duke and Duchess of Westminster. Same number of leaves in the same angles including the bezels.

http://i107.photobucket.com/albums/m319/ay...instertiara.jpg
Photo is scanned from 'Tiaras, A History of Splendour' by Geoffrey Munn p. 299

I wonder if it's made by the same person as Caroline's tiara. This is a really beautiful tiara.

Best regards,

Ayvee

Australian · #**173** 02-20-2007, 01:09 AM

In that photo, why is Caroline wearing a "M" ? It looks like Mary's insignia, or is it Margrethe's? What is earing it meant to signify?

Henri M. · #**174** 02-20-2007, 02:13 AM

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Originally Posted by Australian

In that photo, why is Caroline wearing a "M" ? It looks like Mary's insignia, or is it Margrethe's? What is earing it meant to signify?

It is usance at some royal courts. A ribbon with a crowned 'M' (Denmark) or, for an example, a crowned 'B' (Netherlands) worn on the lapels or the dress.
It indicates that a person belongs to the personal entourage of the Queen.

In the case of Lady Heering, I don't know if it is the monogram of the Queen or the Crown Princess.

In the Netherlands (and I believe in many other monarchies as well) the Chamberlains wear a ribbon with a golden key on the back of their ceremonial uniform, symbolizing their privilege to have close access to the Sovereign. In the past that was the King's Bedchamber or the Queen's Appartments.

This is no longer so, but the symbols have survived.

Australian · #**175** 02-20-2007, 03:20 AM

Thanks for that Henri M, much appreciated. The "M" is for Mary because it looks like her insignia according to the picture of it on wikipedia. Margrethe's has two "R's" under her M, unlike Mary.

Lasse Pedersen · #**176** 02-20-2007, 04:03 AM

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Originally Posted by Australian

Thanks for that Henri M, much appreciated. The "M" is for Mary because it looks like her insignia according to the picture of it on wikipedia. Margrethe's has two "R's" under her M, unlike Mary.

Actually, HM Queen Margrethe II's monogram has only one "R" in the bottom right and a "2" at the bottom left, and thus it 'reads' "M(argrethe) 2 R(egina)", the latter being Latin for 'Queen'.

Her Majesty's monogram, along with the monograms of the other members of the Danish Royal House can be seen at the official website of the Danish Monarchy and discussed in the TRF thread The Danish Orders and Monograms.

Cheers

Lasse Pedersen!

ayvee · #**177** 02-20-2007, 01:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Australian

In that photo, why is Caroline wearing a "M" ? It looks like Mary's insignia, or is it Margrethe's? What is earing it meant to signify?

I think it means Caroline is on duty as Princess Mary's lady-in-waiting. This seems to be a standard in Denmark.

-Ayvee

Lady Bluffton · #**178** 02-20-2007, 01:21 PM

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Originally Posted by ayvee

Oh my gosh! This is the first time I have seen Caroline's tiara and what do you know, I recognized it right away! It is exactly the same as a diamond tiara owned by the Duke and Duchess of Westminster. Same number of leaves in the same angles including the bezels.

http://i107.photobucket.com/albums/m319/ay...instertiara.jpg
Photo is scanned from 'Tiaras, A History of Splendour' by Geoffrey Munn p. 299

I wonder if it's made by the same person as Caroline's tiara. This is a really beautiful tiara.

Best regards,

Ayvee

Anybody have a clue if the tiara belongs to Caroline's or her husband's family, or if it was borrowed?

Cheers!

Henri M. · #**179** 02-20-2007, 02:07 PM

The diademe seems to be a heirloom from Lady Heering's family, so it was said on the Royal Jewels Message Board.

BurberryBrit · #**180** 02-20-2007, 02:11 PM

Pardon my ignorance, but why does Caroline wear a tiara? Is she titled? Also, on what occasions is she allowed to wear it? (is there protocol for this?)