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Thanks! I thought the wedding was only civil, since she has divorced from her second husband; but I had forgotten that her second marriage was only civil, and never recognised by the Church.
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11-25-2009, 06:27 AM
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However white remains an awful choice!
What is known about her second and third husbands?
And about her political ideas?
How the family reacted to the many divorces of Carmen and of some of her siblings?
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11-25-2009, 09:52 AM
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I know that her son Luis Alfonso refused to attend her third wedding; surely because he was very fond of Carmen's second husband, but I don't know if this was the only reason.
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11-28-2009, 10:00 AM
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No,Luis Alfonso never accepted the second husband ,Jean Marie Rossi, of his mother ,as it was the cause of the break of the marriage between his parents......He did not accept Jose Campos ,at the beguinning,because he is 15 years younger than his mom and he is suspicious of this marriage.....
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01-02-2010, 12:36 AM
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Was the Duke killed in a skiing accident or am I wrong and thinking of another person? This was such a beautiful couple and wedding. 
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Was the Duke killed in a skiing accident or am I wrong and thinking of another person? This was such a beautiful couple and wedding. |
He was indeed killed in a skiing accident in 1989. In fact, he had had another accident driving back from a skiing trip with his sons. His oldest son, Francisco, died in that accident.
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Juan Carlos was said to have given up Maria Gabriella of Savoy because Franco wanted him to marrying reigning royalty.
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whats so ironic, is the fact that although the prince married a princess of a reigning royal family (sophie of greece), within a few years the greek royal family was disposed by the will of the greek people......just like the italian royalty was many years before ! 
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Was the Duke killed in a skiing accident or am I wrong and thinking of another person? This was such a beautiful couple and wedding. |
the match was a controversial in first place because the wedding invitations adress the princes HRH prince of bourbon where there's no such thing in spain its prince of austurias or infante or (prince of spain in case of juan carlos before become king) also prince juan carlos advisor was terrified he taught that juan carlos would died in a mysterious car accident ans the throne would left for alfonso.other problems were - infante jaime duke of segovia even though had formally renounce his rights to the throne before his marriage to emanuelle de dampierre he took back his renunciation 1949 and 1963 title himself duke of madrid as head of the carlist untill formally renounce in 1969 to juan carlos by petition of alfonso
- franco had mention alfonso in case juan carlos would not meet his requirement and even arrange for them to sit near each other many times on occasions
- carmen was treated as princess her grandmother insist they bow before her and serve her before herself who was the first lady
- alfonso ambition to be second in line to the throne and the title prince of bourbon was a debate and in the end juan carlos persuade for his father to let franco give alfonso title duke of cardiz as use in royal dynast like by his great great grandfather and the style of HRH
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She has changed last years...
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I don't know why this woman took part in the spanish version of Dancing with the stars, worst idea she had in her life imo 
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1789 (french revolution)
1989 (Alfonso of Borbon- relative of Louis XVI)
I have not more to say...
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the match was a controversial in first place because the wedding invitations adress the princes HRH prince of bourbon where there's no such thing in spain its prince of austurias or infante or (prince of spain in case of juan carlos before become king)
[...] - carmen was treated as princess her grandmother insist they bow before her and serve her before herself who was the first lady
- alfonso ambition to be second in line to the throne and the title prince of bourbon was a debate and in the end juan carlos persuade for his father to let franco give alfonso title duke of cardiz as use in royal dynast like by his great great grandfather and the style of HRH
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Indeed. And Franco's decree (which was accepted by the Count of Barcelona, head of the Royal House) formally recognizing Don Alfonso as HRH and bestowing on him the dukedom of Cádiz was not published until November 1972.
https://www.boe.es/diario_boe/txt.ph...E-A-1972-52385
At the time of his wedding to Carmen, however, Don Alfonso was only recognized as an Excellency by the Count of Barcelona, since his mother was not of equal birth and the marriage of his parents was morganatic under the old laws. General Franco, by contrast, accepted Alfonso and his brother as HRH Prince.
https://www.heraldica.org/topics/roy...c.htm#juan1972
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08-19-2021, 09:54 AM
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Indeed. And Franco's decree (which was accepted by the Count of Barcelona, head of the Royal House) formally recognizing Don Alfonso as HRH and bestowing on him the dukedom of Cádiz was not published until November 1972.
https://www.boe.es/diario_boe/txt.ph...E-A-1972-52385
At the time of his wedding to Carmen, however, Don Alfonso was only recognized as an Excellency by the Count of Barcelona, since his mother was not of equal birth and the marriage of his parents was morganatic under the old laws. General Franco, by contrast, accepted Alfonso and his brother as HRH Prince.
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I was reading the linked decree by Franco and it mentions that the style of HRH is extended to Alfonso's "consort and direct descendants". However, neither Luis Alfonso de Borbón, the self-proclaimed Duke of Anjou, nor his mother currently bear the style of HRH in Spain.
Should we interpret that Franco's decree has been overridden by the Transitional Provision #3 of the Royal Decree 1368/1987 ? Just to clarify, the aforementioned RD says:
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Los miembros de la familia del Rey Don Juan Carlos I de Borbón, que en la actualidad tuviesen reconocido el uso de un título de la Casa Real y el tratamiento de Alteza Real, podrán conservarlo con carácter vitalicio, pero no sus consortes ni descendientes.
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Should we interpret that Franco's decree has been overridden by the Transitional Provision #3 of the Royal Decree 1368/1987 ?
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Yes, that was the intent of the provision in the Royal Decree 1368/1987.
Unfortunately, I can no longer find the source, but as I recall, a Spanish poster on another forum stated that there is a story circulating in Spain that the decree of 1987 was issued due to a rumor in the 1980s that Alfonso intended to remarry.
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I believe the wedding was the first time the Groom's father Infante Jaime,Duke of Segovia had set foot in Spain in over 40 years and was given special permission to do so by General Franco.
The Groom was a grandson of King Alfonso XIII of Spain and was given the title Duke of Cadiz on November 22nd, 1972.
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Were the Duke and Duchess of Cadiz TRHH ?
Their Son is not .
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No, Luis Alfonso never accepted the second husband, Jean Marie Rossi, of his mother, as it was the cause of the break of the marriage between his parents. He did not accept Jose Campos, at the beginning, because he is 15 years younger than his mom and he is suspicious of this marriage.
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His father, HRH Alfonso Duke of Cadiz, was engaged to Constanza of Austria at the time of his passing. Was the engagement public knowledge prior to his death?
When Constanza went on to marry Franz Josef Auersperg-Trautson, Luis Alfonso was an attendant at her wedding. So apparently, LA accepted his father's fiancé, unlike his mother's choice of spouses.
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