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Old 10-01-2020, 04:25 PM
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Precissly, will she threaten her brother to bring him to court too if he, let's say, doesn't invite her to a family event?
Even with this, you can't sue someone for not inviting you to Christmas or a birthday party. Much as this is a shock, titles/surnames are a somewhat logical out come of this.

Any social interaction is not for people all over the age of 18.

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Will she be claiming its unfair Philippe is treated differently to her (And Laurent and Astrid) and using the law to try and sue to be Queen next?
Probably not since Phillippe is older than her, and indeed older than Astrid. Even if you take the most vindictive or grasping interpretation she doesn't have that case.

I hope she finds whatever she's looking for. I think this was a "tale that grew in the telling" and it wasn't what she originally set out to do but grew as Albert refused to yield, but I guess we'll never know for sure.

I do feel sorry for Phillipe and his siblings over this, but never Albert. If he'd actually been decent in the first place when it became public this might not have happened.
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Old 10-01-2020, 04:33 PM
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Gosh, I've just seen this. My main question is why would Delphine even want to be called 'Princess' after all this time and when it's unlikely that the royal family will ever want her at family events as she is practically a complete stranger to them?
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Old 10-01-2020, 04:50 PM
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She can certainly use the old Boo hoo! The Royal family is so cold and unwelcoming to me and mine! I deserved to be at that birthday party! I just want to know my new family! Routine to manipulate the media and public if they dont include her in private family events now.
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Old 10-01-2020, 05:04 PM
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I wonder how this will translate to other royal families with illigitimate offspring. I've read, for example, that the mother of Prince Albert of Monaco's son Alexandre has always been very keen for her son to be a Prince. Could that now happen and, if so, could he displace Prince Jacques as heir to the throne? Just how relevent is the Belgian judgement in the overall scheme of things?
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Old 10-01-2020, 05:08 PM
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Monaco in an independant country and has its own legal system and laws different from Belgium. I don't see why what is ruled by a minor court in Belgium should have any influence in another country at all.

I am very shocked by this decision. I understand why she would be entitled to the Saxe-Cobourg-Gotha's name but the title of a princess is too much. Titles come not only from blood but also from a recognised wedding. what's the point in having titled persons if traditionnal royal rules are not to be followed after all. The mere existence of a monarchy causes inequality.
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Old 10-01-2020, 05:14 PM
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This was surprising! I expected them to give Delphine a noble title at the least - such as Countess - or whatever the Belgian equivalent of Baroness/Lady is (I'm not quite familiar with Belgian titles and how they work) but not princess and HRH. I wonder if something rippled between her and Albert, forcing him to give her a title?
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Old 10-01-2020, 05:18 PM
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But It’s legal precedent now. An illegitimate child has been recognized and titled by law. It opens the door the tiniest crack for other Aspiring Royal or Noble illegitimate children to at least Try In their countries. And they will sooner or later.
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Old 10-01-2020, 05:19 PM
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I have fully supported Delphine's cause so far and I am very pleased with the outcome, though I do admit to being surprised at the claim for the royal title. Surname yes, title no. But I suppose she thought that having achieved recognition she might as well have a go at title. However, I hope she leaves it there, and does not press on to be involved in either formal or family events, particularly family events. I don't think her legitimate royal half-siblings and their families should have to welcome her if they do not want to do that. None of this was their fault. If they want to establish a relationship and reach out to her, fine, but if it happens it needs to be organic, not forced.
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Old 10-01-2020, 05:24 PM
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But It’s legal precedent now. An illegitimate child has been recognized and titled by law. It opens the door the tiniest crack for other Aspiring Royal or Noble illegitimate children to at least Try In their countries. And they will sooner or later.
Monaco and Belgium are civil law countries (as opposed to common law countries such as the UK and USA). In a civil law system, written laws supercede "precedent", and "precedent" can be overruled by another judgment. Judges are not bound by what were ruled before. Case laws are just used to know how law was sometimes interpreted (but only on a country level).
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Old 10-01-2020, 05:28 PM
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But It’s legal precedent now. An illegitimate child has been recognized and titled by law. It opens the door the tiniest crack for other Aspiring Royal or Noble illegitimate children to at least Try In their countries. And they will sooner or later.
Yes I think so too. Not every mother of an illegitimate child by a royal father will persue this route but some definitely will. The question is whether royal status and/or succession to the throne is ultimately determined by the courts or by the incumbent Sovereign. This is going to get interesting.
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Old 10-01-2020, 05:44 PM
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According to the RTBF (Walloon public television channel), Delphine Bol is now officially princess of Belgium.

The court in Brussels has decided that she will be princess of Belgium. The same goes for her children Josephine and Oscar, all with the prefix of Royal Highness. The judgement took place earlier than expected.

According to Het Gazet van Antwerpen her lawyer confirmed to them that she 'will receive a recognition of paternity, the last name of van Saksen-Coburg and the title of Princess of Belgium'. I have not seen the last name being confirmed by either the RTBF or the VRT but updates will surely follow soon.

According to newspaper 'De Standaard' it is still possible that King Albert will appeal against the judgement.

https://www.rtbf.be/info/belgique/de...ue?id=10598252

https://www.gva.be/cnt/dmf20201001_9...gie-meldt-rtbf

https://www.demorgen.be/nieuws/delph...nses~bacbbc01/

Edit I: the VRT now also claims that she can will get the last name of 'van Saxe-Coburg'.
I too have observed various spellings in the media, but the traditional versions would be "van Saksen-Coburg" in Dutch and "de Saxe-Cobourg" in French.


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Edit II: according to Wim Dehandschutter (Flemish royalty reporter) the children will continue to use the last name of their father, O'Hare.
Unsurprising if true. Princess Astrid's children and grandchildren also carry the last name of their father in spite of being Belgian princes and princesses.


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2. Why shouldn't the ruling apply to Delphine's husband as well, given that the spouses of Lorenz and Claire are HRH and Prince/ss of Belgium?
Apparently all of the information on the ruling was released by the former Delphine Bol's lawyers, so I wonder if perhaps it does apply to her husband but her lawyers have not mentioned that to the press. Hopefully her press conference next Monday will clarify the matter.
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Old 10-01-2020, 06:05 PM
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This is just plain bad juju; Delphine deserved legal recognition and credibility, I accept that, but a title, and "HRH" no less? It is clear that she wasn't entirely honest about her intentions and now the prerogative of titles has been effectively yanked from the sole control of the Sovereign.
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Old 10-01-2020, 06:12 PM
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She can certainly use the old Boo hoo! The Royal family is so cold and unwelcoming to me and mine! I deserved to be at that birthday party! I just want to know my new family! Routine to manipulate the media and public if they dont include her in private family events now.
Precisely. That's my concern. Maybe she can't use the court for any single thing she won't get from her family. But certainly she can use media to discredit them, playing the victim card.
She deserved to know the truth, she deserved the name even. But this want to have what her sibling got in their life seems over the top to say the least, considering that the marriage of their parents is the reason why they got titles and all that comes with that.
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Old 10-01-2020, 06:25 PM
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So, does this mean she will now fight to have her children included in the Succession? And who in Belgium and/or Europe is going to be referring to this woman as HRH?

What a mess. Just no words.
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Old 10-01-2020, 06:30 PM
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So, does this mean she will now fight to have her children included in the Succession? And who in Belgium and/or Europe is going to be referring to this woman as HRH?

What a mess. Just no words.
Her next fight to be allowed to wear the Crown Jewels and be invited to state dinners and receptions and have access to royal property and also a post for her and her descendants by Belgian monarchy social media when they have their birthdays etc etc. Cause you know other kids have it so she should have it too. Its absurd and King Philippe should put up a fight.
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Old 10-01-2020, 06:33 PM
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So, does this mean she will now fight to have her children included in the Succession? And who in Belgium and/or Europe is going to be referring to this woman as HRH?

What a mess. Just no words.

Most likely, yes. I also believe that she will end up being interested in official overseas engagements and the fuss that the others are used to.
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Old 10-01-2020, 06:43 PM
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Her next fight to be allowed to wear the Crown Jewels and be invited to state dinners and receptions and have access to royal property and also a post for her and her descendants by Belgian monarchy social media when they have their birthdays etc etc. Cause you know other kids have it so she should have it too. It’s absurd and King Philippe should put up a fight.
The thing is, Philippe will end up looking like the "bad guy" if he does, now has to clean his father's mess
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Old 10-01-2020, 06:47 PM
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I am not pleased... How many Princes and Princesses in Belgium will that make ? I would have approved of her being given the Saxe-Cobourg name but I think this is too much.
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Old 10-01-2020, 06:48 PM
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I am not pleased... How many Princes and Princesses in Belgium will that make ? I would have approved of her being given the Saxe-Cobourg name but I think this is too much.
Right?! Its so ridiculous. Whos the judge in this. Im sorry but they were not very smart.
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Old 10-01-2020, 06:52 PM
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Holy cow! Didn't expect that to happen. The Belgian court got this decision plain wrong. Saxe-Coburg? Yes. HRH? No. What a joke.
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