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Old 01-12-2022, 11:07 AM
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Princess Delphine is also on the cover of French magazine Point de Vue this week: "Delphine of Belgium tells her true story":


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Old 01-12-2022, 11:34 AM
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On french RTL at 19 h 40 also.
Delphine et son histoire in 150 minutes. producted by Warner Bros.

Don' t believe the Daily Mail as my belgian newspaper saw only part of it and did an interview of Chris Michel, the film maker who contacted himself Warner Bros.

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Not clear on what it is you don't believe. As mentioned in the post, and in the Mail's article, the Daily Mail quotes the Times, and the Times does say it is quoting the VTM documentary, but the Times is not claiming to have viewed the entire documentary. I assume it viewed the same preview as your Belgian newspaper. If there are inaccuracies in the translation, I suppose that will be clarified by the French- or Dutch-language press reports.


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Delphine needed answers after being branded a 'high financial risk' by the banks - leaving her unable to open accounts for her children Josephine and Oscar, who she gave birth to in 2003 and 2008 respectively with her partner and US businessman Jim O'Hare.

She explained: 'My life and that of my children had become unnecessarily difficult and at one point it became unbearable.

'When I wanted to open a bank account for my children, it was a problem. I saw that my son Oscar was referred to as PEP: a "politically exposed person" who had been blacklisted.'

Her children have since been made an official royals [...]

Looking at the international standards issued by the Financial Action Task Force, an independent inter-governmental organization which describes its recommendations as "recognised as the global anti-money laundering (AML) and counter-terrorist financing (CFT) standard", I cannot see how having Josťphine and Oscar made official royals by the judicial courts removes them from the "politically exposed person" list. To the contrary, official recognition as royals would seem to cement their status as "politically exposed persons":

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Politically Exposed Persons (PEPs)

Foreign PEPs are individuals who are or have been entrusted with prominent public functions by a foreign country, for example Heads of State or of government, senior politicians, senior government, judicial or military officials, senior executives of state owned corporations, important political party officials.

Domestic PEPs are individuals who are or have been entrusted domestically with prominent public functions, for example Heads of State or of government, senior politicians, senior government, judicial or military officials, senior executives of state owned corporations, important political party officials.

Persons who are or have been entrusted with a prominent function by an international organisation refers to members of senior management, i.e. directors, deputy directors and members of the board or equivalent functions.

The definition of PEPs is not intended to cover middle ranking or more junior individuals in the foregoing categories.
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Old 01-12-2022, 12:53 PM
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That also makes it seem like it refers to Albert, but is probably meant to refer to Jacques BŲel? (I can't imagine she was instructed to call Albert "daddy".)

Also his comments to her in 2013.....what a nice father-person. (/sarc)
Previously I said I was done with her, but since this is about her battle and happened before Dancing, I want to chime in.

That statement indeed refers to Jacques BoŽl. Also, post-divorce she was to be with him on the weekends, which she didn't want, but her mother pushed her - saying "it's the law of divorce. You must go." And when at Jacques BoŽl's residence, she was left with the staff.
It is in this article - https://m.nieuwsblad.be/cnt/dmf20220110_97899082. It is behind a paywall, but I have read it with an account (which gives 5 paywall articles for free monthly).
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Old 01-12-2022, 04:53 PM
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That also makes it seem like it refers to Albert, but is probably meant to refer to Jacques BŲel? (I can't imagine she was instructed to call Albert "daddy".)

Also his comments to her in 2013.....what a nice father-person. (/sarc)
I have just finished the first part of the documentary she says that she called Albert 'Papillon'.

The documentary can be watched on the website of the VRT. It is in English, though the voice over is in Dutch:
https://www.vrt.be/vrtnu/a-z/delphine/1/delphine-a1/

It can be seen with a (free) account.
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Old 01-12-2022, 05:08 PM
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"Butterfly" is rather more appropriate for Albert than I'm sure Delphine realized.

He did tend to flit in and out exactly as he wanted. (I bet Sybille realized it.)
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Old 01-12-2022, 06:02 PM
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Delphine wanted to speak english which is an international language and not the belgians langages. I saw the whole part , Well done Delphine it will be the first and the last time.
The Royal Palace saw it before .
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Old 01-12-2022, 06:24 PM
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That statement indeed refers to Jacques BoŽl. Also, post-divorce she was to be with him on the weekends, which she didn't want, but her mother pushed her - saying "it's the law of divorce. You must go." And when at Jacques BoŽl's residence, she was left with the staff.
It is in this article - https://m.nieuwsblad.be/cnt/dmf20220110_97899082. It is behind a paywall, but I have read it with an account (which gives 5 paywall articles for free monthly).
Thank you, Skippy, that is interesting.

I hope that in due course there can be a reconciliation between Delphine and Jacques BoŽl. Unlikely as it may seem, a reconciliation between Delphine and King Albert appeared even more implausible up until it occurred. (And however absent and emotionally distant he may have been, Jacques, unlike Albert (apparently), never outright denied that Delphine was his daughter.)
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Old 01-12-2022, 06:42 PM
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Yes, but unlike Albert, who at least played the "positive older male" role part-time and showed her affection for a period, BoŽl seemingly never did and was unable to accept Delphine in more than a legal sense. And Delphine then very publicly repudiated him out of necessity.

As has been said, if she felt he was any kind of a father to her (unlike Albert, whom she's openly admitted loving) she likely wouldn't have pursued Albert. Not sure there's much to reconcile there.

It will be frankly interesting if she attends his funeral.
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Old 01-12-2022, 07:01 PM
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As the documentary shows there is nothing to be reconciled neither is there a reason why it should be. The bond between the two was next to nil and has now ceased to exist. When she or her mother speak about Jacques BoŽl the tone of voice changes to absolute bitterness, as if it is the devil in person.

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In Albert's case: by the end of the documentary Delphine says that she is trying to establish relationships with family members, which she wants to do in private & will not comment upon. She even mentioned it was a happy ending -more than she ever hoped for- and seem to have moved on from blaming King Albert II to blaming bad advisors.
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Old 01-12-2022, 07:10 PM
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Delphine wanted to speak english which is an international language and not the belgians langages. I saw the whole part , Well done Delphine it will be the first and the last time.
The Royal Palace saw it before .
Well, French wouldn't have gone over well on the Flemish network and she can't speak Dutch. English seems to be the logical and sensible solution. The Palace also had people participating, did they not?

I tried to make a "free account" but they want all sorts of information from you, including, seemingly, to be in Belgium. Guess this English-speaker won't be watching.

Edit: To put this another way, Albert was pretty irresponsible and then finally a cruel jackass for a couple of decades, while trying to avoid responsibility. But it seems like Jacques BoŽl was never very nice at all, to the point where Albert is somehow the lesser of two evils. The world is very strange...

At least she and her mom are seemingly back on good terms with Albert, which is enough for Delphine, I guess. You only need so many parents.
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Old 01-12-2022, 07:59 PM
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Would love to see this but apparently you have to be in Belgium. It there is a way to see this in the states please let me know.
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Old 01-13-2022, 05:07 AM
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Old 01-15-2022, 07:09 AM
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I have seen the whole of the program, she is extremely likeable.
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Old 01-15-2022, 07:37 AM
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How all changed because of the unexpected death of King Baudouin when he was only 63 years old.
When he became King , Albert II said to Delphine , you are not my daughter and and I will never see you again.
And never, never the King or his Lawyers expected the ADN test asked from the Court !
This ADN test showed he was well his Father ! 20 years later after Delphine's Fight.
I was impressed by Jim O'Hare , the father of Delphine 's Children. He was a great support .
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As has been said, if she felt he was any kind of a father to her (unlike Albert, whom she's openly admitted loving) she likely wouldn't have pursued Albert.
I agree. Had either Jacques or Albert fully accepted paternal responsibility and acted as a loving and affectionate father figure throughout the course of Delphine's childhood and adult life, I think it is unlikely that she would ever have brought a court case, though there may still have been other difficulties in the relationships.


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Yes, but unlike Albert, who at least played the "positive older male" role part-time and showed her affection for a period, BoŽl seemingly never did and was unable to accept Delphine in more than a legal sense.
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Edit: To put this another way, Albert was pretty irresponsible and then finally a cruel jackass for a couple of decades, while trying to avoid responsibility. But it seems like Jacques BoŽl was never very nice at all, to the point where Albert is somehow the lesser of two evils. The world is very strange...
Yes, it is interesting to compare the two. And of course it is also possible that there were other earlier developments with Albert and/or Jacques which all involved have chosen not to publicly disclose.


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As the documentary shows there is nothing to be reconciled neither is there a reason why it should be. The bond between the two was next to nil and has now ceased to exist. When she or her mother speak about Jacques BoŽl the tone of voice changes to absolute bitterness, as if it is the devil in person.
I commented earlier that a reconciliation does appear very unlikely on its face, but after the reconciliation of Delphine and Albert following years of not only mutual bitterness but public recrimination and a vigorous legal battle, there is little that seems impossible to me anymore, although I understand why others see it differently.

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and seem to have moved on from blaming King Albert II to blaming bad advisors.
I wonder how true that is, but for the sake of their relationship it is probably healthier to blame bad advisors.
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I am still interested in seeing this, but I guess I will wait for either you or for someone else to have a different idea.
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Old 01-16-2022, 12:50 AM
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Princess Delphine was voted out as the 3rd of 8 participants at the Belgian version of "Dancing with the stars" last night:


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** nieuwsblad article: Prinses Delphine door kijkers weggestemd uit ĎDancing with the stars **
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I am still interested in seeing this, but I guess I will wait for either you or for someone else to have a different idea.
Did you not receive my PM? I have now sent two.
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Old 01-16-2022, 11:29 AM
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